Management Thread | Regular Season Edition

[HairyKneel]

And yet the Canucks are 7-2-3 when not firing on all cylinders...

Not sure how you can consider adding a UFA Marner or Rantanen given the cap situation in the next 2 seasons. You aren't going to flip Demko or EP with zero salary coming back.

He wants to dismantle the team at every turn. I would say he's up and down like a whore's pants but he always seems to be down. He needs a good dose of the Partridge Family. "Com on get happy"

 

[theguardianII]

He wants to dismantle the team at every turn. I would say he's up and down like a whore's pants but he always seems to be down. He needs a good dose of the Partridge Family. "Com on get happy"

Just "Money Puck".
Value for dollars spent.

The core has been here for years with only one good season. At sometime the "wait for it" becomes a decade and then maybe too late.

IMO if EP was scoring at his previous rate the team would be a contributor.

Cap space to do things is more valuable than just over paying
Fans and posters were not happy with the Eriksson contract but he was actually outperforming EP but EP is paid almost twice as much.

Demko's injury history, again IMO if they can get out from under that contract it opens up 5 million that is doing nothing at all right now and he has had his spot filled pretty good so far for less than 1/5 his cap hit. Pretty sure Lankinen could be signed for a little less or even if the same, he plays.

EP's play has at a rate of $7,254.54 per minute played and $339,512.20 per point. (5 points). This has been a trend since January last year, 46 easy season games, 13 real season, playoffs plus the dozen easy season games this year.

Demko, $304,878.05 per game so far to watch. The injury is not his fault but this is only about money puck and cap usage. He hasn't played a full season, ever. He has been so important up until this new goalie, for team success his absence is more than just money spent.

Just as a comparison, JT Miller is at $5090.14 per minute played and $106,403.16 per point. K. Sherwood, $1,425.40 per minute played and $31,358.89 per point (7 points)

Unless the player is a dman, EP's numbers are horrendous at 11.6 mil and as a "stud" point producer indescribably worse at that money and opportunity given him.

2 goals this season and one a pylon could have scored.

Plainly it isn't working for him here now, I just hope management doesn't wait like they did with Eriksson until his league value is so diminished and his confidence so eroded sweeteners are needed to recover that all so valuable cap space and his career is cratered.

With a win now team with a short window waiting is perilous. Half a season, 60+ games may be too long.

 

[HairyKneel]

It's not a short window. Just opened up last season. Should be open fr 5 or 6 years yet. Enjoy it if it's possible for you.

 

[theguardianII]

It's not a short window. Just opened up last season. Should be open fr 5 or 6 years yet. Enjoy it if it's possible for you.

Yep a core past their prime will be ... mushy middle? A 40 yr old Miller will still be the #2 center, 43 yr old Myers patrolling the right side? For Dmen mid 30's is not s bad but for forwards unless elite it doesn't bode well

Boeser at 33, Garland at 33, Demko at 34, EP at 32, Hughes - 30.

Tocchet is not playing any high skill players that can't be boards guys as he has shown, none can play for him if they aren't "boards guys". Now another sniper, with defence issues I will agree, is gone. But he kept the other team on their heels just in case he got the puck. A good coach builds lines, not all are the same, but Tocchet only has one type of line.

So no replacements for QH or EP because those are drafted very early in the draft and will be a couple of years before showing up unless very early, like top 3 picks.

And that's if Hughes even decides to stay and play his career out on a dysfunctional team. Some players do want to win the cup and not just collect a paycheck.

Lekkerimaki can't play for Tocchet, EP might not either forcing a trade, Hughes really wants to play with his brothers and Demko might be finished or be a backup goalie due to injuries. Miller is already slowing down as many 32 yr old player do.

Just for you, after making the surprise 2015 playoffs they followed up with a less than quality 2016. I have stated many times that is what I expect this year,
in 2016 after 13 games they were second in the division, scored more goals, had fewer against and were a single point less than this year playing a tougher schedule.

I do think Lekkerimaki is toast under Tocchet, not big enough, not strong enough and never a forechecker in his short career that isn't what got him into the first round of the draft.

I have been involved in hockey for decades and seen and heard all the rhetoric, it is the repetition that becomes obvious to decades old fans.

I WANT the team to win, not just on a single night but for a season. I think that is lost on Allvin as it was on Bumbling Benning. Selling one nights entertainment, competitive while losing, a shiny sparkly to hold up to watch, a player. A purchased media to sell any thing positive in a huge loss.

This crew can be criticized, it is allowed, it is only the trauma of the Benning years that has many people in denial that it could be happening again. Only this time the fan's leash might be much shorter.

 

[arttk]

Yep a core past their prime will be ... mushy middle? A 40 yr old Miller will still be the #2 center, 43 yr old Myers patrolling the right side? For Dmen mid 30's is not s bad but for forwards unless elite it doesn't bode well

Boeser at 33, Garland at 33, Demko at 34, EP at 32, Hughes - 30.

Tocchet is not playing any high skill players that can't be boards guys as he has shown, none can play for him if they aren't "boards guys". Now another sniper, with defence issues I will agree, is gone. But he kept the other team on their heels just in case he got the puck. A good coach builds lines, not all are the same, but Tocchet only has one type of line.

So no replacements for QH or EP because those are drafted very early in the draft and will be a couple of years before showing up unless very early, like top 3 picks.

And that's if Hughes even decides to stay and play his career out on a dysfunctional team. Some players do want to win the cup and not just collect a paycheck.

Lekkerimaki can't play for Tocchet, EP might not either forcing a trade, Hughes really wants to play with his brothers and Demko might be finished or be a backup goalie due to injuries. Miller is already slowing down as many 32 yr old player do.

Just for you, after making the surprise 2015 playoffs they followed up with a less than quality 2016. I have stated many times that is what I expect this year,
in 2016 after 13 games they were second in the division, scored more goals, had fewer against and were a single point less than this year playing a tougher schedule.

I do think Lekkerimaki is toast under Tocchet, not big enough, not strong enough and never a forechecker in his short career that isn't what got him into the first round of the draft.

I have been involved in hockey for decades and seen and heard all the rhetoric, it is the repetition that becomes obvious to decades old fans.

I WANT the team to win, not just on a single night but for a season. I think that is lost on Allvin as it was on Bumbling Benning. Selling one nights entertainment, competitive while losing, a shiny sparkly to hold up to watch, a player. A purchased media to sell any thing positive in a huge loss.

This crew can be criticized, it is allowed, it is only the trauma of the Benning years that has many people in denial that it could be happening again. Only this time the fan's leash might be much shorter.

Wtf is math that hard? Miller is 32 right now, 32+5!= 40.

 

[theguardianII]

Wtf is math that hard? Miller is 32 right now, 32+5!= 40.

An exaggeration taken to an extreme, waiting does not mean getting better for an individual player.

 

[HairyKneel]

Wtf is math that hard? Miller is 32 right now, 32+5!= 40.

Hey....... he's been "involved" in hockey for decades.

 

[arttk]

Hey....... he's been "involved" in hockey for decades.

What if Miller is not 40 but we pretend he is 40, then this team is going to suck.

Why an insightful way to look at things eh

 

[F A N]

Tocchet is not playing any high skill players that can't be boards guys as he has shown, none can play for him if they aren't "boards guys". Now another sniper, with defence issues I will agree, is gone. But he kept the other team on their heels just in case he got the puck. A good coach builds lines, not all are the same, but Tocchet only has one type of line.

There's definitely a danger to building a team with the same type of players. I'm not sure that that is the case here given the makeup of our core players. Petey and Miller, for example, are different players so their lines naturally play a different game. I agree that a great coach can find ways to maximize a player's ability such as get the most out high skilled player who is defensively flawed for example. In reality, there aren't that many "high skill players that can't be boards guys" around.

 

[theguardianII]

No scoring threats. This is what happens when the skilled scorers aren't there.

As slow as Boeser is still a possibility that he might get a shot off.
Mikheyev's a defensive player, his speed playing with Kuz and Petey was a possibility.
Kuzmenko a goal scorer, the threat that he might.
Pettersson, 18 months ago, not playing this style

These players backed off defense and drew the better checkers allowing for other bottom six to face an easier defense.

Most teams aren't overly concerned from boards guys that get one every now and then.

Chemistry, not something that develops over night, last years team bonded very well they became close, then it was dismantled.

Two players regardless of "opinion", Cole and Zadorov, Cole added calmness and Zadorov actually added in two areas, he lightened the room and on the ice added a nuclear threat plus added positional stability.

This is not last years team, this is a Tocchet team, a plug and play team where every player is interchangeable with another with some getting rewarded with extra ice time and if there is a mistake then out comes the hook.

When a whole team is flat there is some reason. They never smile, they look dead, dead serious and no fun, they are doing jobs, chores. They are becoming "professionals" with guaranteed pay checks.

The core experienced the reward for last year's success, even more player turnover.

 

[Jack Burton]

No scoring threats. This is what happens when the skilled scorers aren't there.

As slow as Boeser is still a possibility that he might get a shot off.
Mikheyev's a defensive player, his speed playing with Kuz and Petey was a possibility.
Kuzmenko a goal scorer, the threat that he might.
Pettersson, 18 months ago, not playing this style

These players backed off defense and drew the better checkers allowing for other bottom six to face an easier defense.

Most teams aren't overly concerned from boards guys that get one every now and then.

Chemistry, not something that develops over night, last years team bonded very well they became close, then it was dismantled.

Two players regardless of "opinion", Cole and Zadorov, Cole added calmness and Zadorov actually added in two areas, he lightened the room and on the ice added a nuclear threat plus added positional stability.

This is not last years team, this is a Tocchet team, a plug and play team where every player is interchangeable with another with some getting rewarded with extra ice time and if there is a mistake then out comes the hook.

When a whole team is flat there is some reason. They never smile, they look dead, dead serious and no fun, they are doing jobs, chores. They are becoming "professionals" with guaranteed pay checks.

The core experienced the reward for last year's success, even more player turnover.

Tocchet calls for accountability.

I know a lot of people are freaking out but I don’t think it’s a player or coach problem. They will figure out the system…together.

It’s a management problem as they screwed up a pretty good offseason to stack up on D and give this forward group and Hughes something to work with.

We’re 15 games in and it ain’t over yet

 

[theguardianII]

Tocchet calls for accountability.

I know a lot of people are freaking out but I don’t think it’s a player or coach problem. They will figure out the system…together.

It’s a management problem as they screwed up a pretty good offseason to stack up on D and give this forward group and Hughes something to work with.

We’re 15 games in and it ain’t over yet

On pace with 2016