Of all the rankings in recent days, this one was the most wild to me. Tkachuk and Svechnikov are clearly ahead of KAM for now, but I would put KAM in the same tier as Quinn Hughes and Dahlin but probably still slightly behind for now (and ahead of Bouchard, Dobson, Fehervary and Farabee).
Re-drafting the NHL class of 2018: Brady Tkachuk, Quinn Hughes rise
Corey Pronman re-ranks the top prospects from the NHL Draft class of 2018.theathletic.com
2018 re-draft on the Athletic.
Pronman has KAM listed as a "Projected bubble-top and middle of the lineup" player at #9, with Bouchard, Dobson & Fehervary above him in the "Projected top of the lineup" tier.
Fehervary is above him? Thats insane.
To me KAM could top out as an All-Star with his skillset. He's also had 20+ playoff games under his belt playing in the top pair for 2+ seasons. He's already surpassed "bubble top".
Player Discussion K'Andre Miller
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Re-drafting the NHL class of 2018: Brady Tkachuk, Quinn Hughes rise
Corey Pronman re-ranks the top prospects from the NHL Draft class of 2018.
2018 re-draft on the Athletic.
Pronman has KAM listed as a "Projected bubble-top and middle of the lineup" player at #9, with Bouchard, Dobson & Fehervary above him in the "Projected top of the lineup" tier.
Fehervary is above him? Thats insane.
To me KAM could top out as an All-Star with his skillset. He's also had 20+ playoff games under his belt playing in the top pair for 2+ seasons. He's already surpassed "bubble top".
I'm convinced trolling NYR fanbase for rage-engagement is an actual strategy being employed by the Athletic.
Even if you want to rank those other Dmen above him, he 100% belongs in the next tier up.
It's indefensible, it has to be trolling.
HockeyBasedNYC
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Yeah it doesnt make any sense.
And the fact that he's proven himself in the playoffs on the biggest stage matched up against the best players (and scored key goals) makes it even more of head scratcher. None of those above him have done that in their careers yet with the exception of Bouchard maybe
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K'Andre has apparently been a gaping blindspot for Pronman ever since he was a prospect.
He could win the Norris this season and Pronman would still have some second rounder who skates well ranked higher than him while still claiming K'Andre is an average to below average skater.
He could win the Norris this season and Pronman would still have some second rounder who skates well ranked higher than him while still claiming K'Andre is an average to below average skater.
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Kind of insane. "Bubble top"? Hahaha. Honestly I would not trade KAM for Hughes nor Dobson. (Bouchard isnt in that conversation, and Fehervary? WTF.) That is a knock on neither of them. Both excellent hockey players. With Fox here neither of them would have the stats they have, just like Miller doesn't, because they would not be the PP go tos. IMO KAM is already a better all round player than either and I think they are both closer to their upsides than KAM.Re-drafting the NHL class of 2018: Brady Tkachuk, Quinn Hughes rise
Corey Pronman re-ranks the top prospects from the NHL Draft class of 2018.
2018 re-draft on the Athletic.
Pronman has KAM listed as a "Projected bubble-top and middle of the lineup" player at #9, with Bouchard, Dobson & Fehervary above him in the "Projected top of the lineup" tier.
Fehervary is above him? Thats insane.
To me KAM could top out as an All-Star with his skillset. He's also had 20+ playoff games under his belt playing in the top pair for 2+ seasons. He's already surpassed "bubble top".
jerseyjinx94
I jinx players.
Whats the price on Miller for 5-6-7 year deals
With the cap going up possibly, we may have room to extend him long-er term if he is willing. Curious bc he prob won't have the counting stats to back up a massive salary, he may sit in the 5-5.5 range
With the cap going up possibly, we may have room to extend him long-er term if he is willing. Curious bc he prob won't have the counting stats to back up a massive salary, he may sit in the 5-5.5 range
KirkAlbuquerque
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Dobson is such a vanilla player. I’ll take Key over him any day
he gets high 5's or 6+ on a longer deal quite easily.
Mattias Samuelsson really f***ed up the market.
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Well I dont think ONE outlier like Samuelsson SETS the market. Doesn't HELP, but if another comparable signed a weirdly low contract we wouldn't get KAM for that either.
Pronman really really values obvious skill (like skating, flashy stickhandling, hard shot) and point production. That works well a lot of the time but it's not always a good evaluation of prospects and players and I think he misses on a player like Miller because of it.
HockeyBasedNYC
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KirkAlbuquerque
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Pornman has always been low on Miller, never had him higher than a B prospect even several years ago when he ranked the rangers #1
Pronman is a hack. Hockey Robby Mook
Yeah, he rates his skating as NHL average I think, which I don't believe is accurate and falls into the trap of "if you don't look like you're blazing all over the ice all the time then you're a so so skater" and someone like Miller tends to have a long smooth stride that eats up ground and doesn't immediately come across as standout for someone so big
HockeyBasedNYC
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So true.
Skating isn't all about speed on defense. Even offense. Theres a lot more that goes into it with edgework, transitions, skating backyards, laterally, etc. Miller is a very strong skater and that was the book on him from the start. He is anything but average, especially for a guy his size.
HockeyBasedNYC
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Kandre looked so good in preseason, like he was about to take a huge step. Hes been very quiet thus far. Not bad, but quiet.
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Miller has not been great this year, but I think he's really been hampered by Trouba's play. I took a look at the 5v5 advanced stats for our D pairings, and most of the Miller-Trouba pair's stats (CF%, FF%, xGF%) look pretty good. It's the GF% that is abysmal.
So what does that mean? Are they being plagued by the bad puck luck we're seeing this year? I dug a bit deeper and looked at the GA/60, SCA/60, and HDCA/60. The GA/60 for Miller-Trouba was pretty bad, and I also want to note that Trouba is involved in 3 of the 5 worst GA/60 pairings this year (Trouba with Miller, Jones, and Fox). The SCA/60 for Miller-Trouba were not significantly worse than the other pairs, but the HDCA/60 were terrible. Among all pairings for the Rangers this season with at least 10 minutes of 5v5 TOI, Trouba is involved in the 3 worst in terms of HDCA/60 (again, Miller-Trouba, Fox-Trouba, and Jones-Trouba). We are bleeding high danger chances against whenever Trouba is on the ice with anyone. Miller's numbers in these same stats are incredibly good with Fox, and reasonably good with Schneider, albeit with fewer minutes.
What are the options if you break up Miller and Trouba? Either you have to put Lindgren with him in the hopes that he can stabilize Trouba, or you put him with Hajek and try to shelter his minutes (although that would mean Schneider moves up to play tougher minutes). I would like to see Miller and Fox get an extended look together as a shutdown pairing.
So what does that mean? Are they being plagued by the bad puck luck we're seeing this year? I dug a bit deeper and looked at the GA/60, SCA/60, and HDCA/60. The GA/60 for Miller-Trouba was pretty bad, and I also want to note that Trouba is involved in 3 of the 5 worst GA/60 pairings this year (Trouba with Miller, Jones, and Fox). The SCA/60 for Miller-Trouba were not significantly worse than the other pairs, but the HDCA/60 were terrible. Among all pairings for the Rangers this season with at least 10 minutes of 5v5 TOI, Trouba is involved in the 3 worst in terms of HDCA/60 (again, Miller-Trouba, Fox-Trouba, and Jones-Trouba). We are bleeding high danger chances against whenever Trouba is on the ice with anyone. Miller's numbers in these same stats are incredibly good with Fox, and reasonably good with Schneider, albeit with fewer minutes.
What are the options if you break up Miller and Trouba? Either you have to put Lindgren with him in the hopes that he can stabilize Trouba, or you put him with Hajek and try to shelter his minutes (although that would mean Schneider moves up to play tougher minutes). I would like to see Miller and Fox get an extended look together as a shutdown pairing.
mrmovies779
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He's been very soft on and off the puck so far this year.I'm not sure if he's got a nagging injury or something bothering him,but he's been really soft on the boards and not as aggressive as he usually is when he's going good.
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Trouba's playing injured (wrist/hand/arm) and Miller is playing more tentatively and 'thinking' through his moves and all mistakes from both them are really getting compounded
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