Player Discussion K'Andre Miller

[duhmetreE]

I don't see it. Hedman just scored 85 points, even Fox hasn't done that

what was Hedman doing at 22?

 

[Machinehead]

what was Hedman doing at 22?

Putting up 18 even strength points in 44 games. Miller just had 20 points total in 82 games.

We're getting carried away.

Miller is extremely unlikely to ever win a Norris and it won't be because he's not on the powerplay. He's unlikely to ever be the best defenseman on his own team.

 

[duhmetreE]

Putting up 18 even strength points in 44 games. Miller just had 20 points total in 82 games.

We're getting carried away.

Miller is extremely unlikely to ever win a Norris and it won't be because he's not on the powerplay. He's unlikely to ever be the best defenseman on his own team.

Missing the forest for the trees.

Stylistically, there's no one really like him. People say Slevin or Parayko because of the shutdown defense but his offensive potential is way higher than those two imo. Don't agree with putting him in that type of box

He has Hedman type of potential on offense. Point was, Hedman did not put it all together until he was older. KAM is/was RAW. KAM will continue to improve and utilize his elite tool set. We've seen glimpses. Albeit, if the team as a whole plays 5v5 like they did last season, KAMs #'s aren't going to be that great... considering he wont be getting significant PP time.

 

[Circus86]

This kid is quickly turning into my favourite Rangers player.

 

[bl02]

This kid is quickly turning into my favourite Rangers player.

No doubt man! What he is and even more to come makes me quickly forget about Nils and VK. Oh and remember the criticism of him not being physical enough?

 

[RangersFan1994]

I have a gut feeling he will be up for the Norris Trophy someday maybe this season.

This kid is quickly turning into my favourite Rangers player.

I picked him in my fantasy team

 

[ecemleafs]

I have a gut feeling he will be up for the Norris Trophy someday maybe this season.




I picked him in my fantasy team View attachment 592671

not enough rangers on ur fantasy team

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Ate up everything that came his way tonight.

 

[bleedblue94]

People thinking this man is signing long term for a discount are nuts. Kam is going to become a #2 or possibly a #1 caliber defenseman in this league. Offense is coming but not sure it will be there enough to be a #1. Regardless he is a top pairing level player and will be getting paid as such sooner than we want ha

 

[huerter]

Just had to trade up for K'andre Miller

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

People thinking this man is signing long term for a discount are nuts. Kam is going to become a #2 or possibly a #1 caliber defenseman in this league. Offense is coming but not sure it will be there enough to be a #1. Regardless he is a top pairing level player and will be getting paid as such sooner than we want ha

The lack of numbers will help them. I don't know what constitutes as a discount but he isn't going to get the mega contract some of the other guys in the league have gotten.

His agent should petition to start tracking rush breakups before players hit center ice though because I'm pretty sure Miller would lead the league in that category.

 

[kinger8998]

Missing the forest for the trees.

Stylistically, there's no one really like him. People say Slevin or Parayko because of the shutdown defense but his offensive potential is way higher than those two imo. Don't agree with putting him in that type of box

He has Hedman type of potential on offense. Point was, Hedman did not put it all together until he was older. KAM is/was RAW. KAM will continue to improve and utilize his elite tool set. We've seen glimpses. Albeit, if the team as a whole plays 5v5 like they did last season, KAMs #'s aren't going to be that great... considering he wont be getting significant PP time.

Hedman, Josi, Makar, Fox....all these defensemen get PP time that contributes to their point totals and boosts them into that Norris talk.

I agree with original poster, KAM will never win a Norris, because even if he gets to that level, Fox will just take votes away from him because Fox is already in that category. Compare it to Toews in colorado being defensively good enough to get attention, but not coming close because Makar is Makar.

But, KAM clearly has this raw potential and upside you can't ignore. He's 22. Switched to D what, 1 year before being drafted in the 1st round? The sky is the limit for the kid. He's only going to get better from here, and he already looked dominant at 5v5 tonight. If the team is better as a whole at 5v5, more points will come for one of the best 5v5 play drivers on the back end - and thats what KAM is.

Elite potential. Will never win a Norris, but elite potential. Slavin and Toews are elite defesneman, but they are in the same boat. But I absolutely agree that KAM has clearly FAR more offensive ability than them

Hedman, Josi, Makar, Fox....all these defensemen get PP time that contributes to their point totals and boosts them into that Norris talk.

I agree with original poster, KAM will never win a Norris, because even if he gets to that level, Fox will just take votes away from him because Fox is already in that category. Compare it to Toews in colorado being defensively good enough to get attention, but not coming close because Makar is Makar.

But, KAM clearly has this raw potential and upside you can't ignore. He's 22. Switched to D what, 1 year before being drafted in the 1st round? The sky is the limit for the kid. He's only going to get better from here, and he already looked dominant at 5v5 tonight. If the team is better as a whole at 5v5, more points will come for one of the best 5v5 play drivers on the back end - and thats what KAM is.

Elite potential. Will never win a Norris, but elite potential. Slavin and Toews are elite defesneman, but they are in the same boat. But I absolutely agree that KAM has clearly FAR more offensive ability than them

NYR should get an extension done ASAP. If not, the AAV will be 1.5x by end of season, if not more. Get a long term deal done at a reasonable AAV

 

[bleedblue94]

The lack of numbers will help them. I don't know what constitutes as a discount but he isn't going to get the mega contract some of the other guys in the league have gotten.

His agent should petition to start tracking rush breakups before players hit center ice though because I'm pretty sure Miller would lead the league in that category.

He's not getting 9mil or anything like that but people on here have been suggesting g signing him to like 4m x 8 and stuff like that which is absurd.

 

[GAGLine]

He's not getting 9mil or anything like that but people on here have been suggesting g signing him to like 4m x 8 and stuff like that which is absurd.

Yeah, that's not happening. The Dobson contract is the comparable. 3 x 4m.

 

[bleedblue94]

Yeah, that's not happening. The Dobson contract is the comparable. 3 x 4m.

i think he will surpass that. another year closer to the cap bump and i think miller is just a better player in general. who knows though, maybe drury can pull the sather rabbit out of the hat

speaking of which did anyone take that meme of sather the magician and put drury's face on it?

 

[GAGLine]

i think he will surpass that. another year closer to the cap bump and i think miller is just a better player in general. who knows though, maybe drury can pull the sather rabbit out of the hat

speaking of which did anyone take that meme of sather the magician and put drury's face on it?

Miller is unlikely to match Dobson's offensive numbers from last year. I could see Miller getting 2 years instead of 3 at 4 mil, but he would have to put up significantly higher point totals to get more than a 4 mil AAV on a bridge deal.

He has 33 points in 136 regular season games. When Lindgren signed 3 x 3, he had 30 points in 116 games.

 

[QJL]

Y’all are crazy. Miller is already playing like a #1. He’s going to post 35+ points this year with no PP time. He’s been one of the best shutdown D in the league since January 2022.

He is going. To get. Paid. Even on a bridge.

There is Norris potential here in his prime.

Is anyone watching the same player I’m watching?

 

[GAGLine]

Y’all are crazy. Miller is already playing like a #1. He’s going to post 35+ points this year with no PP time. He’s been one of the best shutdown D in the league since January 2022.

He is going. To get. Paid. Even on a bridge.

There is Norris potential here in his prime.

Is anyone watching the same player I’m watching?

Yes, Miller is very good and only getting better. But 35 points isn't enough to move the needle.

Contracts, particularly RFA contracts, are based on comparables. What can Miller's agent use to argue that his client deserves more than what Dobson got?

 

[bleedblue94]

Miller is unlikely to match Dobson's offensive numbers from last year. I could see Miller getting 2 years instead of 3 at 4 mil, but he would have to put up significantly higher point totals to get more than a 4 mil AAV on a bridge deal.

He has 33 points in 136 regular season games. When Lindgren signed 3 x 3, he had 30 points in 116 games.

comparing lidgren at that point (2nd season of pro contract) to miller who was a matchup d man in a deep playoff in his second nhl season is disingenuous. I said all summer IF the offensive comes then he is getting paid as an elite d man. He has a chance to be hedman lite, it is not out of the relm of possibility. the ceiling of his offense is the only question but regardless he is already a player that can neutralize elite talent on other teams. his size, reach, and skating puts him in a position to eliminate most of the elite offensive talent in this league. if he was on another team we would be talking about how that team will have issues affording the player's next contract

 

[GAGLine]

comparing lidgren at that point (2nd season of pro contract) to miller who was a matchup d man in a deep playoff in his second nhl season is disingenuous. I said all summer IF the offensive comes then he is getting paid as an elite d man. He has a chance to be hedman lite, it is not out of the relm of possibility. the ceiling of his offense is the only question but regardless he is already a player that can neutralize elite talent on other teams. his size, reach, and skating puts him in a position to eliminate most of the elite offensive talent in this league. if he was on another team we would be talking about how that team will have issues affording the player's next contract

I'm comparing him to Lindgren because he's in a similar situation and puts up similar offensive numbers. Lindgren had fewer games played than Miller will. I definitely think Miller will get more than Lindgren got, but I still haven't seen an argument as to why he'll get more than what Dobson got.

 

[bleedblue94]

I'm comparing him to Lindgren because he's in a similar situation and puts up similar offensive numbers. Lindgren had fewer games played than Miller will. I definitely think Miller will get more than Lindgren got, but I still haven't seen an argument as to why he'll get more than what Dobson got.

if you had the option today between miller or dobson which player are you taking?

 

[GAGLine]

if you had the option today between miller or dobson which player are you taking?

For the Rangers, Miller, because Dobson is a righty, which we don't need, and wouldn't get PP time over Fox.

In a vacuum, it's pretty close. Both are good dmen. But regardless of which I would take, that isn't an argument that is going to garner Miller more money than Dobson got.

Pretend you are Miller's agent and I am Drury. Convince me that Miller deserves more.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

if you had the option today between miller or dobson which player are you taking?

Depends on what my team needs.

If I need a PP guy, it's Dobson.

If I need someone who can actually defend, its Miller.

Dobson's career trajectory has been fascinating. He was drafted as a 2 way guy whose offense has really taken off but his defense hasn't progressed at all, under Trotz no less.

 

[bleedblue94]

For the Rangers, Miller, because Dobson is a righty, which we don't need, and wouldn't get PP time over Fox.

In a vacuum, it's pretty close. Both are good dmen. But regardless of which I would take, that isn't an argument that is going to garner Miller more money than Dobson got.

Pretend you are Miller's agent and I am Drury. Convince me that Miller deserves more.

player A last year
29 5v5 points
46.2 cf%
-3

player B last year
19 5v5 points
50.1 cf%
+23

one player was matched up against the other team's best lines, one player was sheltered moreso.

then mix in the eye test and i think it becomes easy. one puts up 22pp points and the other isnt on the pp

one player had 54.9mins of shorthanded ice time the other had 125.6mins shorthanded time.

I take miller 10/10

Depends on what my team needs.

If I need a PP guy, it's Dobson.

If I need someone who can actually defend, its Miller.

Dobson's career trajectory has been fascinating. He was drafted as a 2 way guy whose offense has really taken off but his defense hasn't progressed at all, under Trotz no less.

right so do you take a toery krug or a guy that could be a chara without the fighting?

I think that it isnt even that close personally. If I want the guy who puts up points it's dobson, but if I want to win games I take miller 10/10

 

[bhamill]

Putting up 18 even strength points in 44 games. Miller just had 20 points total in 82 games.

We're getting carried away.

Miller is extremely unlikely to ever win a Norris and it won't be because he's not on the powerplay. He's unlikely to ever be the best defenseman on his own team.

Listen, HEDMAN is a very high bar, but Miller is on a way longer development curve than him.
Hedman has probably been a DMan his entire hockey life and started playing pro at 17.
Miller has been a Dman for what 6 or 7 years? And turned pro at 20.
It's hard to compare Miller's curve to ANY current NHLer because converting to D so late is pretty rare, and it's rarer still for someone who did it to be an NHL DMan. I honestly think we have to wait for him to actually plateau before we know what he is. He's an unusual case.