Prospect Info: K'Andre Miller (D) - Part IV

[Canuck Luck]

Congrats rangers fans! He’s a guy I really wanted the Canucks to draft. Was hoping we could trade up or grab him in the 2nd round. Glad to see him showing well

 

[aufheben]

Damn, son...

 

[aufheben]

Congrats rangers fans! He’s a guy I really wanted the Canucks to draft. Was hoping we could trade up or grab him in the 2nd round. Glad to see him showing well

Thanks. What an awesome username.

 

[aufheben]

DISCLAIMER: this graphic is a nightmare to read.

tl;dr: 2:1 shot differential, played ~20:00 minutes.

 

[JohnC]

This team was overdue for a young defenseman to break into the league and solidify himself as a #1. Two years in a row with Fox AND Miller? What luck!

 

[huerter]

This team was overdue for a young defenseman to break into the league and solidify himself as a #1. Two years in a row with Fox AND Miller? What luck!

I get cised for Miller too. Having said that, chill out.

 

[aufheben]

I get cised for Miller too. Having said that, chill out.

The hell?

 

[FIRE DRURY]

DISCLAIMER: this graphic is a nightmare to read.

tl;dr: 2:1 shot differential, played ~20:00 minutes.

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[huerter]

The hell?

you lost me.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

The hell?

I think he forgot the criti at the beginning of the word, but I could be wrong.

 

[aufheben]

Man, the board really did go off the deep end this year, I can’t even tell what language people are speaking anymore.

 

[huerter]

I think he forgot the criti at the beginning of the word, but I could be wrong.

The latter.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Its been a while since the scribble face killer made an appearance.

 

[romba]

I think he forgot the criti at the beginning of the word, but I could be wrong.

No way not ‘criti’, he forgot the circum at the beginning

 

[egelband]

I don't think the Rangers have ever had a defenseman this tall and this mobile, at least not in my time as a fan. Had some big guys who were good soldiers like Beukeboom, Malik and Staal but no one with the athletic gifts of Miller.

I do think Skjei could have been this good but he doesn’t have half the poise, patience, and sense of Miller. Skjei is hugely gifted. So fast and strong. But he makes so many errors. Miller, on the other hand, appears to not have that issue.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

DISCLAIMER: this graphic is a nightmare to read.

tl;dr: 2:1 shot differential, played ~20:00 minutes.

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I was about to say it was amateur nerds putting this stuff together because professionals would make it easier to read and then I remembered my charts at work...

 

[True Blue]

This team was overdue for a young defenseman to break into the league and solidify himself as a #1. Two years in a row with Fox AND Miller? What luck!

And Lindgren. And DeAngelo

 

[nyr2k2]

I was about to say it was amateur nerds putting this stuff together because professionals would make it easier to read and then I remembered my charts at work...

I think the single biggest thing preventing more people from fully embracing analytics in hockey is the often terrible charts that are put out there. Someone shits colors all over an X and Y axis or puts together a bar chart with seven layers and it's like...unless you work in data systems and analytics, your chances of understanding the chart are like 5%.

Baseball analytics are much easier because they're almost always just presented as numbers.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I think the single biggest thing preventing more people from fully embracing analytics in hockey is the often terrible charts that are put out there. Someone shits colors all over an X and Y axis or puts together a bar chart with seven layers and it's like...unless you work in data systems and analytics, your chances of understanding the chart are like 5%.

Baseball analytics are much easier because they're almost always just presented as numbers.

What also doesn't help is when you ask someone to explain it, you often get reactions like "Duh, it's so obvious".

Analytics are a great tool but it's really not made accessible to people who are new to it. Hockey itself has a gatekeeper problem already, but within the hockey community, the analytics crowd is doing it as well.

 

[Overcast]

I think the single biggest thing preventing more people from fully embracing analytics in hockey is the often terrible charts that are put out there. Someone shits colors all over an X and Y axis or puts together a bar chart with seven layers and it's like...unless you work in data systems and analytics, your chances of understanding the chart are like 5%.

Baseball analytics are much easier because they're almost always just presented as numbers.

Whenever I see someone post a graph/chart/whatever, I grab a cup of coffee and settle in for a good 15 minute study session. Then it's like when you get caught at the water cooler at work and you just take a sip, nod in blind agreement, and walk away without having gained much.

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

I think the single biggest thing preventing more people from fully embracing analytics in hockey is the often terrible charts that are put out there. Someone shits colors all over an X and Y axis or puts together a bar chart with seven layers and it's like...unless you work in data systems and analytics, your chances of understanding the chart are like 5%.

Baseball analytics are much easier because they're almost always just presented as numbers.

You’re forgetting the cherry on top, which is the condescending/patronizing “Player x is good at hockey I guess” annotation that comes at the top of the chart, usually in place of where it would be nice to have an actual description of the chart.

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

What also doesn't help is when you ask someone to explain it, you often get reactions like "Duh, it's so obvious".

Analytics are a great tool but it's really not made accessible to people who are new to it. Hockey itself has a gatekeeper problem already, but within the hockey community, the analytics crowd is doing it as well.

The whole point of a chart should be make that data point/analysis accessible to someone new to it though. I think that’s part of the problem.

75% of the issues with hockey analytics can be avoided by just turning it into a f***ing bar chart and labeling the axis properly. It’s not as sexy, but it shows me how players compare on a certain metric. Putting it into a scatter plot with another data point that has no direct correlation will confuse most of the posters on here (including me), who know the game better than nearly anyone.

Like in the one above, what the hell are the purple and yellow components of the black bar chart? And why is K’Andre straddling an axis that is labeled as forward on one side and defenseman on another?

That’s just awful data visualization. No matter how much knowledge you have of the game.

 

[NYSPORTS]

This team was overdue for a young defenseman to break into the league and solidify himself as a #1. Two years in a row with Fox AND Miller? What luck!

a bit of Leetch and Beukeboom in these two while i see Miller’s ceiling as higher.

 

[ElLeetch]

Man, the board really did go off the deep end this year, I can’t even tell what language people are speaking anymore.

its all these damn zoomers

 

[nyr2k2]

I like places like like Natural Stat Trick where I can just go and look at a bunch of numbers. They're not fancy, and honestly the layout isn't great, but it's just numbers. If I don't understand then numbers I can either find an explanation on their site or Google it. I know it's more powerful than that, but that's the kind of thing I like.

There's a reason a place like Fan Graphs absolutely blew up in baseball, to the point where their WAR is one of the most oft-cited even in the press (along with Baseball Reference, who has a similarly dull, bland, numbers-based site). You go there and you can see simple numbers and compare them against other numbers. Maybe there's more nuance to hockey stuff that requires a more advanced presentation? I don't know. But the charts seem like they're designed by people competing to impress the other people who also make charts, and not to actually educate or inform people "on the outside." Very annoying.