Speculation: Kaliyev trade...

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All of this is just bullshit.....gone and perform elsewhere....who? JAD, Bjornfoot....who, Amadio? Went through 2 other teams first....no one here had the patience to wait 5 years for him....so...

Who? Who has been so devalued....that they've gone and performed elsewhere....
So move them sooner when the still have value? There isn’t going to be a market for every one of the devalued prospects we’ve lost, despite what some might think. However they could have moved a couple of then for ‘something’ - even if it’s just a swap of prospects needing a fresh start somewhere. They’ve been too passive managing the prospect pool and then blow a wad on PLD.
 

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So move them sooner when the still have value? There isn’t going to be a market for every one of the devalued prospects we’ve lost, despite what some might think. However they could have moved a couple of then for ‘something’ - even if it’s just a swap of prospects needing a fresh start somewhere. They’ve been too passive managing the prospect pool and then blow a wad on PLD.

Possibly, but who? Amadio was traded, Bjornfoot? Waived twice, hot market for him, JAD, waived twice, hot market for him....

Fagemo? Waived twice....that post alludes to this happens ALL The time....and who...thats all that needs to be answered...

At best...Kaliyev might be the only one that has a case.....and that's a meh case at best...
 

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So move them sooner when the still have value? There isn’t going to be a market for every one of the devalued prospects we’ve lost, despite what some might think. However they could have moved a couple of then for ‘something’ - even if it’s just a swap of prospects needing a fresh start somewhere. They’ve been too passive managing the prospect pool and then blow a wad on PLD.
Rangers got a 2nd for Lias and a 1st for Nils Lundkvist. Neither showed anything before getting traded and still havent since.
Chicago did well with Dach selling early. Colorado did well with Newhook and he hadnt proven anything more than Kaliyev. Vegas used Krebs to land Eichel before his value tanked.
Ducks just traded Drysdale for good value before injury issues and questionable first round pair upside lower his stock.
The Kings could have gotten value out of Bjornfot after his rookie year when they went out and brought in Edler or Maatta because he wasnt in their plans. They could have traded Kaliyev after his rookie year when he had a lot of value and no future openings in the top 6. Fagemo had value at one point as well and he has really never even taken more then a couple shifts in LAs top six his entire career. So obviously he was never in the plans.
There was a window where these guys had value and it was clear they were not going to be used by the Kings.
 

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Breaking news. Every bad team with surplus picks is targeting Kaliyev as a buy low bonanza. Master Class in the making!
Bold of them to assume that Blake is savvy enough to get even a nothing pick for him. They will either wind up not tendering Kaliyev and letting him walk as a UFA or they’ll hold onto him for no reason until training camp then lose him on waivers.
 

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When the Kings drafted Kaliyev and when he first came to the Kings, I posted here to just put him on pp1, put him in the Ovie spot, and just keep feeding him. Play him all two minutes if you need to. With a shot like that, just keep putting him out there so his confidence can soar. The Kings never have a unidimensional goal scorer and let him do what he is made to do. The resident know-it-all, i.e., Blake's-ass kisser (cough - GBH - cough) laughed at me, telling me how stupid I am, that Kaliyev needed to earn it, no one that young gets two minutes, etc.

Well, it's worked out just fine the Kings way....

Edit: I also explained/alluded to what the Kings would need to do to work with Kaliyev's personality and they obviously butchered that part too.
 
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When the Kings drafted Kaliyev and when he first came to the Kings, I posted here to just put him on pp1, put him in the Ovie spot, and just keep feeding him. Play him all two minutes if you need to. With a shot like that, just keep putting him out there so his confidence can soar. The Kings never have a unidimensional goal scorer and let him do what he is made to do. The resident know-it-all, i.e., Blake's-ass kisser (cough - GBH - cough) laughed at me, telling me how stupid I am, that Kaliyev needed to earn it, no one that young gets two minutes, etc.

Well, it's worked out just fine the Kings way....

They did that, for a bit, he kept f***ing it up.....

Kid's got a helluva shot...no doubt.....too bad the rest of his game is lacking....a lot.
 

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They did that, for a bit, he kept f***ing it up.....

Kid's got a helluva shot...no doubt.....too bad the rest of his game is lacking....a lot.
Do you feel that the kings keeps drafting players with certain skills and play a certain style and then the Kings get hold of them, then they're put in position that doesn't fit their skill set instead of utilizing their skills. Kinda square pegs in round holes.
 

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Do you feel that the kings keeps drafting players with certain skills and play a certain style and then the Kings get hold of them, then they're put in position that doesn't fit their skill set instead of utilizing their skills. Kinda square pegs in round holes.

Yep, but there are no one dimensional players in the NHL, unless that one dimensional is absolutely otherworldly,

You HAVE to be able to play....he isn't there yet, regardless of what hole you put him in.
 

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Do you feel that the kings keeps drafting players with certain skills and play a certain style and then the Kings get hold of them, then they're put in position that doesn't fit their skill set instead of utilizing their skills. Kinda square pegs in round holes.
Yes without question. I'll put it in a Montreal team style. It's like if Montreal took Caufield and put him with Pearson and Colin White on the 4th line for less than 10 mins a game for a little over half the season. If you're playing well then we will give you maybe the last 30/45 seconds of PP #2 time. While getting mad that you aren't performing to how they want him to.
 

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Yes without question. I'll put it in a Montreal team style. It's like if Montreal took Caufield and put him with Pearson and Colin White on the 4th line for less than 10 mins a game for a little over half the season. If you're playing well then we will give you maybe the last 30/45 seconds of PP #2 time. While getting mad that you aren't performing to how they want him to.
Thx, also that is one thing that i hope changes a bit this year and that is the way the power plays are distributed .
 

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When the Kings drafted Kaliyev and when he first came to the Kings, I posted here to just put him on pp1, put him in the Ovie spot, and just keep feeding him. Play him all two minutes if you need to. With a shot like that, just keep putting him out there so his confidence can soar. The Kings never have a unidimensional goal scorer and let him do what he is made to do. The resident know-it-all, i.e., Blake's-ass kisser (cough - GBH - cough) laughed at me, telling me how stupid I am, that Kaliyev needed to earn it, no one that young gets two minutes, etc.

Well, it's worked out just fine the Kings way....

Edit: I also explained/alluded to what the Kings would need to do to work with Kaliyev's personality and they obviously butchered that part too.
has the wrong agent and isnt french canadien enough
 
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Do you feel that the kings keeps drafting players with certain skills and play a certain style and then the Kings get hold of them, then they're put in position that doesn't fit their skill set instead of utilizing their skills. Kinda square pegs in round holes.
yep
 

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Possibly, but who? Amadio was traded, Bjornfoot? Waived twice, hot market for him, JAD, waived twice, hot market for him....

Fagemo? Waived twice....that post alludes to this happens ALL The time....and who...thats all that needs to be answered...

At best...Kaliyev might be the only one that has a case.....and that's a meh case at best...

Amadio was waived 3 times and couldn't even land a 4th line C on the Sens before sticking with Vegas. A lot of people seem to forget that along with wanting to run him out on a rail when he was here.
 

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only see 3 options, they give him a real chance on the roster next year. hes part of a package for a goalie. or he goes for another reclamation project like kakko
 

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Yes without question. I'll put it in a Montreal team style. It's like if Montreal took Caufield and put him with Pearson and Colin White on the 4th line for less than 10 mins a game for a little over half the season. If you're playing well then we will give you maybe the last 30/45 seconds of PP #2 time. While getting mad that you aren't performing to how they want him to.
Not quite....Caufield is a lot lot lot better than Kaliyev

Bobby Brink would be more of a comparison
 

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Possibly, but who? Amadio was traded, Bjornfoot? Waived twice, hot market for him, JAD, waived twice, hot market for him....

Fagemo? Waived twice....that post alludes to this happens ALL The time....and who...thats all that needs to be answered...

At best...Kaliyev might be the only one that has a case.....and that's a meh case at best...
So as I say, be proactive and swap with a struggling prospect elsewhere to attempt to fill a position of need. I find it hard to believe that no options exist there, not for ANY off of them. A year earlier Björnfot likely gets ‘something’. Sure if he gets a 2nd everyone on here still bitches but it’s not about appeasing a message board. However potentially losing all these guys for next nothing has to be looked at as poor asset management.
 

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Amadio was waived 3 times and couldn't even land a 4th line C on the Sens before sticking with Vegas. A lot of people seem to forget that along with wanting to run him out on a rail when he was here.

I am literally Amadio’s biggest hater, he f***ing sucked here. His situation was kind of the reverse Kaliyev, he never showed much of anything while he was here
 

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I am literally Amadio’s biggest hater, he f***ing sucked here. His situation was kind of the reverse Kaliyev, he never showed much of anything while he was here
Yea he wasnt very good. But looking back at his time here he played mostly with Torrey Mitchell, Andreoff, Wagner, Luff and late NHL career Clifford.
So pretty much played with AHLers on a 4th line after he spent his whole life as a goal scorer.
 
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Yea he wasnt very good. But looking back at his time here he played mostly with Torrey Mitchell, Andreoff, Wagner, Luff and late NHL career Clifford.
So pretty much played with AHLers on a 4th line after he spent his whole life as a goal scorer.
League is literally littered with players who were goal scorers in juniors
 
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League is literally littered with players who were goal scorers in juniors
Yea some get lucky and get drafted by a team that puts them in the top 6 with Malkin or Crosby like Rust.
Others get drafted by LA and put on the 4th line with Matt Luff.
 

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Yea some get lucky and get drafted by a team that puts them in the top 6 with Malkin or Crosby like Rust.
Others get drafted by LA and put on the 4th line with Matt Luff.

Yea...no...think Josh Ho Sang, Brady Vail, Ryan Moore, Christian Dvorak, Aaron Berisha, etc, I can go on and on and on, but you might wanna do some reaserch on Bryan Rust.....ask yourself how long it took to become a "scorer"

So as I say, be proactive and swap with a struggling prospect elsewhere to attempt to fill a position of need. I find it hard to believe that no options exist there, not for ANY off of them. A year earlier Björnfot likely gets ‘something’. Sure if he gets a 2nd everyone on here still bitches but it’s not about appeasing a message board. However potentially losing all these guys for next nothing has to be looked at as poor asset management.

If there's a market for them.....prime example, Josh Ho Sang....struggling prospect, never moved....
 

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I'm maybe the biggest Kaliyev guy on here but he was given opportunities to "be fed" and his best attribute, his shot, has completely failed him for a bit now.

People wanted Toffoli run out of here when he went ice cold but Bowlby was actually smart enough to wait and Toffoli found his game again.

They should do the same here. They aren't getting anything for him at this point so the smart move would be for both parties to reconcile and go for it next season. If he really wants out, let him know that playing better will help that: Kings just need to play him.
 

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Yea...no...think Josh Ho Sang, Brady Vail, Ryan Moore, Christian Dvorak, Aaron Berisha, etc, I can go on and on and on, but you might wanna do some reaserch on Bryan Rust.....ask yourself how long it took to become a "scorer"



If there's a market for them.....prime example, Josh Ho Sang....struggling prospect, never moved....
Come on I was only teasing. I doubt anyone here is really sour about letting Amadio go. Its just he isnt the only one there is a long line of mishandling here
 

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Yea...no...think Josh Ho Sang, Brady Vail, Ryan Moore, Christian Dvorak, Aaron Berisha, etc, I can go on and on and on, but you might wanna do some reaserch on Bryan Rust.....ask yourself how long it took to become a "scorer"



If there's a market for them.....prime example, Josh Ho Sang....struggling prospect, never moved....
I agree but that’s where GM’s need to get creative… as a hypothetical swap
Kaliyev for Sang. Maybe both get the needed fresh start. I accept there needs to be a deal out there somewhere for any asset and it’s not as easy as some seem to think. However I find it hard the believe they couldn’t have done a struggling prospect swap with Bjornfot for example, a year ago, given he was deemed valuable to be claimed off waivers twice. I wouldn’t expect a 1st back a year ago, but they could have gotten something.
 

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