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He basically destroyed the AHL in an extremely brief stint. Me? I have confidence that Gorton is going to keep this card very close to his chest.
Prospect Info: Kaiden Guhle Part III (Traded to Oil Kings)
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Some who are using Galchy and Kk as comparison to warn of future potential, well, NO ONE accused either of leadership abilities. NONE. The comparison is future star and asshats.
Guhle was named captain of the Juniors for a damn good reason......and thats right through his junior career. On the other hand, the other two were selfish little ****** and let's just call them a huge mistake. It happens.
Guhle was named captain of the Juniors for a damn good reason......and thats right through his junior career. On the other hand, the other two were selfish little ****** and let's just call them a huge mistake. It happens.
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Poor Neighbors. Couldn't they make sure Crosby waits before announcing the next guy seeing as they know the stick taps and cheers would come after each announcement?
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Scouting Report.....I LIKE IT!
Might as well call him THE BLACK HOLE because the other teams offense goes there to die. There is no question that his positioning is perfect. I only saw one positional mistake about half way through the second period. He also has pretty good vision in moving the puck in his zone. Puck is on and off his stick in one motion. Which means he's already seen the next play as it unfolds.
The only downside is that he's not offensively dynamic so thst limits his role in a tournament like this.
CONCLUSION....he's got NHL level defensive game already locked up, now to work on the offense.
Might as well call him THE BLACK HOLE because the other teams offense goes there to die. There is no question that his positioning is perfect. I only saw one positional mistake about half way through the second period. He also has pretty good vision in moving the puck in his zone. Puck is on and off his stick in one motion. Which means he's already seen the next play as it unfolds.
The only downside is that he's not offensively dynamic so thst limits his role in a tournament like this.
CONCLUSION....he's got NHL level defensive game already locked up, now to work on the offense.
There's a study on these boards that shows exactly that: the AHL is not much of a development league for top talents. I can't find it though.
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I love Guhle as a prospect but when you say "top talents" I think more of a Hedman, Dahlin, Doughty or Ekblad who were all top 2 picks. Weber, Suter, McDonagh, Theodore and many other top pairing D had stints in the AHL. Detroit gave Moritz Seider some time in the AHL.
The difference in the pace between CHL and NHL is massive and overwhelming for almost all young D. There's absolutely no reason to rush Guhle's development. We've made that mistake too many times with our prospects.
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Chara is size, physicality and a slapshot.
So if Guhle doesn't have 1 of these traits, than Chara was simply a poor comparison. Lite means he won't do it af his level, like having a couple 15+ goal seasons, or be a top heavyweight fighter will being a top D.
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It's a given for me that Guhle should see AHL time next year, as Romanov should have and as Subban did. Let him dominate at an intermediate level in all situations, for at least thirty games. Now that Bergevin is gone, hopefully the obsession with rushing prospects is gone as well.
From casual observation I would say you're right about defensemen. From what I can remember, this was more pronounced for forwards, even 2nd liners I think. I wish I could find it again.
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I can't remember where it was from, but I was reading about how young D-men can be overwhelmed in the NHL and kind of pigeon-hole themselves into either offensive or defensive focus to hang on and then can't ever really get out of that mindset. Its why a lot of very good D in the NHL are actually guys drafted lower who really took their time getting into the NHL.
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It gets further compounded in Montreal with the insanely demanding and unforgiving fan base and media. Too much pressure for these kids. Let them play in the AHL until they're absolutely 100% ready to contribute at the NHL level. There's no rush.
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Absolutely. If Guhle isn't in Laval next year, we failed....imo of course
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The last defensman that was hyped this much was Komi. He was the reason i weent to Hamilton on my "scouting" expeditions. Sadly, i was far less impressed then his massive size made me dream about.
Obviously sitting in the stands, actually anywhere i wanted to get the best view is not the same as tv, but one can stll get a lot from tv if one simply focuses on a player.
Right off the bat, Guhle plays a far, far better defensive game by keeping it simple and quick. Guhle knows where the puck will go before it hits his stick, Komi had to burn coal to get his thinking going. Komi got beaten on the outside like a rented mule, Guhle can't be beat because of his skating.
There's a reason I'm so excited about him....because he's showing to be a defensive beast.
Obviously sitting in the stands, actually anywhere i wanted to get the best view is not the same as tv, but one can stll get a lot from tv if one simply focuses on a player.
Right off the bat, Guhle plays a far, far better defensive game by keeping it simple and quick. Guhle knows where the puck will go before it hits his stick, Komi had to burn coal to get his thinking going. Komi got beaten on the outside like a rented mule, Guhle can't be beat because of his skating.
There's a reason I'm so excited about him....because he's showing to be a defensive beast.
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I can’t wait to have him playing at the same time as Romanov.
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I did not like Guhle game tonight.
I love his hit first mentality but it should be tempered with opportunity, not to blind single mindedness. He made a glaring mistake in the first period where he was caught hiting far too deep in the opposition zone. That is an absolute nono unless his back is covered and even then, still not the first option.
He needs to calm way down instead of picking the checking option at every opportunity he gets. That's not how the game is played. First rule is he needs to keep the player from making a play, second rule is to separate the man from the puck, putting him on a stretcher is optional. He's mostly working on the stretcher part which will get him in trouble in the NHL. Yes, you always play the man, but to keep him from making a play or stripping the puck, not removing his teeth.
Next issue is his constant last man back mentality. He's passing up lanes and opportunities. He reflexively and quickly moves the puck forward but it also means that he's not giving it to the best player with the most opportunity. A puck heading up the boards for a man that is double covered is simply surrendering puck possession and another rush back into his zone. Of course he shouldn't pass it through the center zone, but he should use his excellent skating to move it up and create more passing lanes.
Tonight was not a very good night for his level of talent.
I love his hit first mentality but it should be tempered with opportunity, not to blind single mindedness. He made a glaring mistake in the first period where he was caught hiting far too deep in the opposition zone. That is an absolute nono unless his back is covered and even then, still not the first option.
He needs to calm way down instead of picking the checking option at every opportunity he gets. That's not how the game is played. First rule is he needs to keep the player from making a play, second rule is to separate the man from the puck, putting him on a stretcher is optional. He's mostly working on the stretcher part which will get him in trouble in the NHL. Yes, you always play the man, but to keep him from making a play or stripping the puck, not removing his teeth.
Next issue is his constant last man back mentality. He's passing up lanes and opportunities. He reflexively and quickly moves the puck forward but it also means that he's not giving it to the best player with the most opportunity. A puck heading up the boards for a man that is double covered is simply surrendering puck possession and another rush back into his zone. Of course he shouldn't pass it through the center zone, but he should use his excellent skating to move it up and create more passing lanes.
Tonight was not a very good night for his level of talent.
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BLONG7
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Some good points..........let's go easy on the one game analogy though.
This kid is going to be a good NHL player...
I didn't like Power's game as a D last night, but he scored a trick....go figure.
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One thing I noticed is that his passes are HARD. A few times I noticed the forwards had a hard time receiving the pass because it had too much momentum for them. Obviously it is nice that his passes arent weak, but being able to tone that back in certain scenarios would be of benefit sometimes
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You know, I've been thinking about this and..i would love to see actual Examples of this. The only thing the media is ever concerned about is how good is your French. None of the french players get any pressure from the media, at all. Ever. Just see Drouin. While a guy like Koivu was endlessly hounded because he didn't speak French.
As for the fan base...I'd say the majority is mostly weatherfans. They don't care enough to really look at the nitty gritty of the team. Again, a large portion of them just care about language. Heck I'd say way too many fans still live in the past and think that 24 cups still means something.
So if you're referring to pressure on learning french, ya sure. But other pressure? Not really.
Laval is literally across the bridge, do you think any of the players on that team get any pressure? I doubt they even have enough fans who care about the team, much less who's on it.
So imo, the pressure thing is total bullshit. The only things that turn off players from coming here is the weather and taxes. And weather is less and less a factor due to climate change. Oh and the effing language police.
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