Prospect Info: Kaiden Guhle Part III (Traded to Oil Kings)

[tooji]

Awesome to have a Hab as captain of Team Canada... when was the last time THAT happened??

chipchura, desjardins

 

[BenchBrawl]

We're not "stacked" yet—although the prospect pool is deep—but we should be stacked in two years, after getting two Top 5 draft picks, unless they f*** them up.

Even our 2nd rounders will be borderline 1st rounders. That's 4 quality picks right there.

 

[Belial]

Our next Captain.

 

[Scriptor]

Our next Captain.

Hoping more for: Our next Man Mountain (with better skating and mobility to boot).

 

[Habs Halifax]

Hoping more for: Our next Man Mountain (with better skating and mobility to boot).

My range with Guhle is somewhere between Phaneuf and Weber. Phaneuf was top notch when he was 23/24 and under. NHL Skating game caught up to him more than it did with Weber.

Guhle is hard to project but he is a good one. He's got the size, tools, and hockey IQ to be a very good top 4D and even a good #2 guy.

 

[Schooner Guy]

My range with Guhle is somewhere between Phaneuf and Weber. Phaneuf was top notch when he was 23/24 and under. NHL Skating game caught up to him more than it did with Weber.

Guhle is hard to project but he is a good one. He's got the size, tools, and hockey IQ to be a very good top 4D and even a good #2 guy.

I don't think he'll ever put up the points Phaneuf and Weber have produced. I see his upside as more of a left shooting McDonagh with more height.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I don't think he'll ever put up the points Phaneuf and Weber have produced. I see his upside as more of a left shooting McDonagh with more height.

Fair. Depends on the role he has in the end. Do you think he plays PP? Cause that would matter and it's usually how D men get most of their points.

McDonagh is another good one. What about Exholm?

The other factor is what the kid does from now till 23. You just never know how obsessive he is with improving all areas of his game vs focusing on D or offense. I think this kid has a good head on his shoulders and he's building his game from the back end out and how far he goes out is a question

 

[HabsAddict]

Last year I got flack when I kept comparing Guhle to Weber. Now, not so much.

He's got better skating, a cannon, mean, nasty, leadership and potentially better offense then Weber. I'm dreaming he's ready for our playoff run this year...wait, sorry., meds kicked in.

We should expect him playing top 6 next season and jumping a category every year. Probably out number one defenseman in a few years.....

 

[Schooner Guy]

Fair. Depends on the role he has in the end. Do you think he plays PP? Cause that would matter and it's usually how D men get most of their points.

Maybe 2nd pairing although things change as a prospect evolves. Weber was a late-2nd round pick. Weber had terrific hockey sense though even at the highest level where the game can overwhelm many. It's hard to learn that. And of course he had one of the hardest shots ever.

 

[Naslund]

Last year I got flack when I kept comparing Guhle to Weber. Now, not so much.

He's got better skating, a cannon, mean, nasty, leadership and potentially better offense then Weber. I'm dreaming he's ready for our playoff run this year...wait, sorry., meds kicked in.

We should expect him playing top 6 next season and jumping a category every year. Probably out number one defenseman in a few years.....

He should go to the AHL for a season to develop his offensive skills as much as possible. Let him play 25 min a night there, in all situations. This will generate a better player than if we put him on the Habs right away.

Just get a LD plug on the third pairing behind Edmunston and Romanov for next year.

 

[HabsAddict]

I don't think he'll ever put up the points Phaneuf and Weber have produced. I see his upside as more of a left shooting McDonagh with more height.

At 49th pick, nobody thought that Weber was an offensive defenseman and yet....

There is no shortcomings in Guhle tool belt that will keep him from getting better offensively.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Last year I got flack when I kept comparing Guhle to Weber. Now, not so much.

He's got better skating, a cannon, mean, nasty, leadership and potentially better offense then Weber. I'm dreaming he's ready for our playoff run this year...wait, sorry., meds kicked in.

We should expect him playing top 6 next season and jumping a category every year. Probably out number one defenseman in a few years.....

I'd hold the horses a bit. I love Guhle as a prospect and think he'll eventually be a strong top 4 Dman with great character and leadership traits with maybe even top pairing upside. Weber's a hall of famer however. As I just mentioned in a previous post, Weber has elite hockey sense. His reads made up for his foot speed.

 

[HabsAddict]

He should go to the AHL for a season to develop his offensive skills as much as possible. Let him play 25 min a night there, in all situations. This will generate a better player than if we put him on the Habs right away.

Just get a LD plug on the third pairing behind Edmunston and Romanov for next year.

Nope, I don't agree. He's probably already equal or better then Kulak yet nobody suggest sending Kulak to je AHL to get better.

This thing about "learning" in the AHL applies more to players who need to work on major aspects of their game. Guhle already has NHL level defense and the offense can be developed. He won't run the powerplay, but he can learn a lot faster playing with Petry then some AHL slug.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Maybe 2nd pairing although things change as a prospect evolves. Weber was a late-2nd round pick. Weber had terrific hockey sense though even at the highest level where the game can overwhelm many. It's hard to learn that. And of course he had one of the hardest shots ever.

Weber's goal scoring numbers are almost historic. He really did well with playing to his strengths which was the booming shot on the PP and trusted reliability in his own end.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Nope, I don't agree. He's probably already equal or better then Kulak yet nobody suggest sending Kulak to je AHL to get better.

This thing about "learning" in the AHL applies more to players who need to work on major aspects of their game. Guhle already has NHL level defense and the offense can be developed. He won't run the powerplay, but he can learn a lot faster playing with Petry then some AHL slug.

It's a fair comment. If Guhle can show ability to not be outmatched physically and he can handle the less time and space, he will get a NHL shot. The problem I have is who is he passing the puck to? Getting smothered in our own end is a problem and it could affect confidence. If we had a better roster with centers who can actually carry the puck from one end to the other, I would say your narrative fits. However, we don't so I think it's best to delay his start date and let him work on some offensive parts in the AHL first.

I feel Ducharme has been groomed by Julien at the NHL level and he is trying the same things. I value coaching and teaching but some small part of me thinks that our coaching structure is too obsessive with defensive assignments. They got the young player playing with fear of making mistakes and it's a trend I'm personally watching. The good news is Guhle already is defensively strong but I just wonder about where it's best to start him. I do value delaying his start date where he can work on he offensive parts in the AHL. It's exactly what I would explain to him if I was a development coach

 

[DAChampion]

Nope, I don't agree. He's probably already equal or better then Kulak yet nobody suggest sending Kulak to je AHL to get better.

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Because Kulak doesn't have the same potential.

 

[HabsAddict]

It's a fair comment. If Guhle can show ability to not be outmatched physically and he can handle the less time and space, he will get a NHL shot. The problem I have is who is he passing the puck to? Getting smothered in our own end is a problem and it could affect confidence. If we had a better roster with centers who can actually carry the puck from one end to the other, I would say your narrative fits. However, we don't so I think it's best to delay his start date and let him work on some offensive parts in the AHL first.

I feel Ducharme has been groomed by Julien at the NHL level and he is trying the same things. I value coaching and teaching but some small part of me thinks that our coaching structure is too obsessive with defensive assignments. They got the young player playing with fear of making mistakes and it's a trend I'm personally watching. The good news is Guhle already is defensively strong but I just wonder about where it's best to start him. I do value delaying his start date where he can work on he offensive parts in the AHL. It's exactly what I would explain to him if I was a development coach

I don't think the Habs are as miserable as their miserable record. So unless they dismantle the team for years of futility, next year, IF Price decides he likes to actually earn his 10.5 million, or he's gone and we get a mid level starter, we should be a midpack team. I know it doesn't look like it, but we ard not Arizona....

If so, Guhle is better with the Habs....

 

[Schooner Guy]

It's a fair comment. If Guhle can show ability to not be outmatched physically and he can handle the less time and space, he will get a NHL shot. The problem I have is who is he passing the puck to? Getting smothered in our own end is a problem and it could affect confidence. If we had a better roster with centers who can actually carry the puck from one end to the other, I would say your narrative fits. However, we don't so I think it's best to delay his start date and let him work on some offensive parts in the AHL first.

I feel Ducharme has been groomed by Julien at the NHL level and he is trying the same things. I value coaching and teaching but some small part of me thinks that our coaching structure is too obsessive with defensive assignments. They got the young player playing with fear of making mistakes and it's a trend I'm personally watching. The good news is Guhle already is defensively strong but I just wonder about where it's best to start him. I do value delaying his start date where he can work on he offensive parts in the AHL. It's exactly what I would explain to him if I was a development coach

I've always said that no player's development has ever been hurt by time in the AHL....unless they were coached by Sylvain Lefebvre!

 

[Habs Halifax]

I don't think the Habs are as miserable as their miserable record. So unless they dismantle the team for years of futility, next year, IF Price decides he likes to actually earn his 10.5 million, or he's gone and we get a mid level starter, we should be a midpack team. I know it doesn't look like it, but we ard not Arizona....

If so, Guhle is better with the Habs....

I think we have to wait it out. It's a process and he will be at development camp and then training camp. We can't pretend to know what is best for him when he has more growth going on from now till September

 

[Habs Halifax]

I've always said that no player's development has ever been hurt by time in the AHL....unless they were coached by Sylvain Lefebvre!

Funny but who did Sly fail in development? Leblanc, McCarron, and Hudon? I think he was a horrible coach but when I look into context, he didn't have that much to develop either.

Personally, I think we are using the development card too much. Time in the AHL to me is about playing in a winning culture with other talent you can feed off of while the time and space is a bit more than what you get in the NHL. Coaching is important yes but that applies to usage, ice time, and the little talks in between games on what they did very well and what they could have done better.

Management's job for development is facilitating the proper environment and direction path. Habs have to stop yoyoing our youth. Why? Cause in Montreal, the focus on hockey is both a passion and obsession. We will pump and put guys on pedestals and we will dwell on disappointments (that applies to fans, media and management). Norlinder wanting to go home an play in piece is a good example of that.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Funny but who did Sly fail in development? Leblanc, McCarron, and Hudon? I think he was a horrible coach but when I look into context, he didn't have that much to develop either.

Personally, I think we are using the development card too much. Time in the AHL to me is about playing in a winning culture with other talent you can feed off of while the time and space is a bit more than what you get in the NHL. Coaching is important yes but that applies to usage, ice time, and the little talks in between games on what they did very well and what they could have done better.

Management's job for development is facilitating the proper environment and direction path. Habs have to stop yoyoing our youth. Why? Cause in Montreal, the focus on hockey is both a passion and obsession. We will pump and put guys on pedestals and we will dwell on disappointments (that applies to fans, media and management). Norlinder wanting to go home an play in piece is a good example of that.

Sure. The drafting was weak and maybe the development card is being overused but Sly was head coach of our AHL team for 6-7 years and there weren't many success stories. Drafting may have been weak but Bergie never traded 1st round picks and you'd think a couple would have panned out under Sly's leadership. Even ones from previous regime (e.g. Tinordi).

And then there was the losing record under Sly. None of our prospects got to participate in AHL playoff games (maybe one playoff round in 7 years?).

Also reports in different media made it seem like he was a complete blockhead dinosaur. Just a couple of months ago he lost an NHL coaching job because he refused to be vaccinated. Seems like someone who really makes an effort to keep up with the times!

 

[Scriptor]

I don't think he'll ever put up the points Phaneuf and Weber have produced. I see his upside as more of a left shooting McDonagh with more height.

A left-shooting McDonagh would be excellent and I'd be ecstatic if that came to be.

 

[superstar436]

A left-shooting McDonagh would be excellent and I'd be ecstatic if that came to be.

Mcdonaugh has more offensive upside.

 

[Vachon23]

Guys I really like Guhle be he's not even close to be the next Weber. Weber is a top 3 D in the last decade (He was even probably the best D in the league during 2010-2015) and futur HOF, I don't see a lot of prospect that can be compared to Shea.

 

[admiralcadillac]

I don't think he'll ever put up the points Phaneuf and Weber have produced. I see his upside as more of a left shooting McDonagh with more height.

I mean, he's putting the same points up in junior.