Kadri

[LOFIN]

Not really. Mack is not McDavid and Makar took a 9M contract. I'd be disappointed on MacKinnon, if it is 12M or over that he asks. What team is going to offer MacK 12M+? The answer is no team if we exclude the scrubs of NHL.

Well apparently Wayne Gretzky made around 45 million bucks during his career so no player should have contracts bigger than that. Because no player is Gretzky. It does matter when the contract is signed, UFA vs RFA and all that stuff.

The bolded is one of the stupidest things I've read here in all my years. Literally any team that could afford it.

 

[Richard Doll]

I would love it if we were able to get mac at 10, but it is extremely likely any team in the league with the cap space would pay 12, so we shall see...

 

[The Abusement Park]

Right 6.3 the same year Stamkos signed for 8.5 wasn't a discount ? If you don't know the difference between a structured deal with a 5.5 AAV and 5.5 in salary then there really isn't anything to discuss with you . OK bud nothing to see here back your Rangers board , thanks for coming out .

Mackinnon was a 55pt player when he signed his contract. He got straight up market value.

 

[MarkT]

Guys apparently I'm a Rangers fan. Who knew?

 

[TomppaKoo]

Well apparently Wayne Gretzky made around 45 million bucks during his career so no player should have contracts bigger than that. Because no player is Gretzky. It does matter when the contract is signed, UFA vs RFA and all that stuff.

The bolded is one of the stupidest things I've read here in all my years. Literally any team that could afford it.

Which team could afford 12,5M+ without destroying their full roster with current cap? Look at Edmonton next year when they can't keep Kane for 1M anymore. Look at Tampa's roster next year if they do not make another LTIR or whatever gimmick. Both teams are in deep shit with their cap. Wayne Gretzky did not play in Cap era. The comparison to Gretzky is stupidest comparison I have ever read in my years in this boards. Which goes to the very beginning of these boards. Do not let the start date of my current account fool you.

 

[LOFIN]

Which team could afford 12,5M+ without destroying their full roster with current cap? Look at Edmonton next year when they can't keep Kane for 1M anymore. Look at Tampa's roster next year if they do not make another LTIR or whatever gimmick. Both teams are in deep shit with their cap. Wayne Gretzky did not play in Cap era. The comparison to Gretzky is stupidest comparison I have ever read in my years in this boards. Which goes to the very beginning of these boards. Do not let the start date of my current account fool you.

The teams that struggle with the cap fall into two categories:

- Winning teams, who can't keep their team together because their players have earned a raise (Chicago, LA, Tampa, Colorado now)
- Teams that have mediocre/bad players on big deals

If you are trying to imply the Oilers are the way they are because of the McDavid contract, I don't know what to tell you. That's the least of their worries. Star players on big contracts are not the problem. It's the players who are paid like star players that don't perform that are the problem.

And literally every f***ing team that would have 12 million ready to go would bid for MacKinnon. Absolutely everyone. In fact, teams that don't have that money available would be after him. If he's available, you sign him and worry about getting under the cap later.

 

[TomppaKoo]

The teams that struggle with the cap fall into two categories:

- Winning teams, who can't keep their team together because their players have earned a raise (Chicago, LA, Tampa, Colorado now)
- Teams that have mediocre/bad players on big deals

If you are trying to imply the Oilers are the way they are because of the McDavid contract, I don't know what to tell you. That's the least of their worries. Star players on big contracts are not the problem. It's the players who are paid like star players that don't perform that are the problem.

And literally every f***ing team that would have 12 million ready to go would bid for MacKinnon. Absolutely everyone. In fact, teams that don't have that money available would be after him. If he's available, you sign him and worry about getting under the cap later.

Tell me, which top teams would be bidding 12,5M for MacKinnon?

 

[LOFIN]

Tell me, which top teams would be bidding 12,5M for MacKinnon?

It's easier to name the teams that would not bid for him, Edmonton, Tampa, Toronto, maybe Florida and Vegas? If you are a team like Carolina, you sign MacKinnon for 12, and tell Aho and someone else to pack their shit and f*** off. We are talking about a top-5 center in the NHL in his prime. I would still argue he's the #2 behind McDavid, although that is not going to be swallowed by Toronto fans. If he is available and you can make it work, you make it work.

 

[TomppaKoo]

It's easier to name the teams that would not bid for him, Edmonton, Tampa, Toronto, maybe Florida and Vegas? If you are a team like Carolina, you sign MacKinnon for 12, and tell Aho and someone else to pack their shit and f*** off. We are talking about a top-5 center in the NHL in his prime. I would still argue he's the #2 behind McDavid, although that is not going to be swallowed by Toronto fans. If he is available and you can make it work, you make it work.

Ok - this is one of the silliest comments I have ever read in these boards. I'm out of this stupidity. This is a thread about Kadri, anyway.

 

[LOFIN]

Ok - this is one of the silliest comments I have ever read in these boards. I'm out of this stupidity. This is a thread about Kadri, anyway.

As a Finn, I like Aho quite a lot. I think he's one of the more underrated top-centers in the league.

But he's not close to the player MacKinnon is, and if you can replace him with MacKinnon you do it. And in this instance, I would take that difference of 4 million dollars especially considering Aho would be up for a raise in 1 year anyway.

All in all, the original point here is that paying your stars big bucks is not an issue and it never has been. It's when they stop producing at that level when it's an issue. Edmonton is not handcuffed because McDrai takes up 21 million of their cap. They are handcuffed because they have guys like Kassian, Barrie (sry T-boobs fans), Keith and Nurse taking 24 million of their cap. That twice than what it should be.

 

[BaconNater]

Please don't go to the Rangers

He needs to go somewhere to continue tormenting the Blues, but somehow not torment the Avs

 

[MarkT]

Please don't go to the Rangers

He needs to go somewhere to continue tormenting the Blues, but somehow not torment the Avs

I guess we'll just have to re-sign him then.

 

[LOFIN]

Please don't go to the Rangers

He needs to go somewhere to continue tormenting the Blues, but somehow not torment the Avs

I doubt the Rangers can afford him.

Philly or Ottawa would make a lot of sense, but I wonder if Naz would have the guts to sign for Ottawa lol.

 

[RampoSanta]

Only possible way to get Kadri to resign is a slight discount in the 6-6.5M range and EJ retiring. Need both of those to happen.

 

[MarkT]

I doubt the Rangers can afford him.

Philly or Ottawa would make a lot of sense, but I wonder if Naz would have the guts to sign for Ottawa lol.

Naz never struck me as a genius, but I'd hope he'd be smart enough to stay away from the tire fire that is the Flyers.

Ottawa would be fun though.

 

[LOFIN]

Only possible way to get Kadri to resign is a slight discount in the 6-6.5M range and EJ retiring. Need both of those to happen.

How many times do we have to go over this, EJ is not retiring.

Naz never struck me as a genius, but I'd hope he'd be smart enough to stay away from the tire fire that is the Flyers.

Ottawa would be fun though.

I mean I wouldn't choose Philly if I was Naz, but I just think that organization is going to put big bucks on the table and we are talking like 8.5-9m x7 which at that point is pretty irresistible for Kadri.

I totally forgot about Seattle as well. They have a load of cap space and could probably use a player like him. That said, they could've used a player like Tarasenko as well and decided not to take him in the expansion so...

 

[MarkT]

How many times do we have to go over this, EJ is not retiring.


I mean I wouldn't choose Philly if I was Naz, but I just think that organization is going to put big bucks on the table and we are talking like 8.5-9m x7 which at that point is pretty irresistible for Kadri.

I totally forgot about Seattle as well. They have a load of cap space and could probably use a player like him. That said, they could've used a player like Tarasenko as well and decided not to take him in the expansion so...

I'd like to think Kadri is going to chase the money to some extent, but he'd also want to go somewhere he can succeed and maybe win another cup. So an up and coming team like Ottawa, the Rangers, or Anaheim makes more sense to me.

 

[Belgican]

I'd like to think Kadri is going to chase the money to some extent, but he'd also want to go somewhere he can succeed and maybe win another cup. So an up and coming team like Ottawa, the Rangers, or Anaheim makes more sense to me.

I would think Naz is an emotionnal guy first. Having won the Cup here through all the events we all know, no way he leaves if Sakic wants him back, he will find a way I’m sure

 

[RampoSanta]

How many times do we have to go over this, EJ is not retiring.

I didnt say he was. I was simply stating what events were needed to see Kadri back.

That said, I am not sure its an open and shut case on EJ

 

[Bender]

Guys apparently I'm a Rangers fan. Who knew?

Your Rangers suck!

 

[AvsMakar08]

I doubt the Rangers can afford him.

Philly or Ottawa would make a lot of sense, but I wonder if Naz would have the guts to sign for Ottawa lol.

Rangers can afford whoever they want. It's always been that way.

 

[AvsMakar08]

If Naz will not resign with Avs he is going back home to Canada. He will try to win the cup with Toronto. Hopefully Toronto will forgive Naz that they put him on a 3rd C line.

 

[redandyellowcametobe]

If Naz will not resign with Avs he is going back home to Canada. He will try to win the cup with Toronto. Hopefully Toronto will forgive Naz that they put him on a 3rd C line.

That won’t ever happen and they don’t have the room for him unless they do something crazy. Which they wont

Edit * Maybe your being sarcastic and I missed it

 

[niwotsblessing]

Guys apparently I'm a Rangers fan. Who knew?

F the Rangers.

Look, Makar is clearly the best player in the game. Therefore Nate can't make more than Cale, the 2022 Norris and Conn Smythe Trophy winner.

 

[cinchronicity]

F the Rangers.

Look, Makar is clearly the best player in the game. Therefore Nate can't make more than Cale, the 2022 Norris and Conn Smythe Trophy winner.

If Mac cannot make more than Makar, then he will make less than Mikko. I realize Covid contracts are lower than those written when Mikko was negotiating. Mikko is at $9.25 for three more seasons.

All the top players in the league could easily live on the annual interest on their accrued salary, whether it is $6M or $12M. We just have to hope that cups are more important that extra money to leave to the kids when they die. Mac at $9 is an insane discount. For that matter, Makar at $9M is an insane discount. But both of these guys gained benefit from having Nuke, Lehk, and Kadri on the roster, even though the three combined don't make $9M this year. Next season, that trio will make a minimum of $15M this year, and I pray that there is a way for Sakic to do that. Even at that number, I suspect Kadri and perhaps Nuke will receive offers which increase that another $3+M.

I'd like Mac to keep it at around $9M, but I suspect he will want $10M which would still be a home team discount.