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The Abusement Park said:
I mean I don’t think Dubas would ever say the suspensions were the reason publicly. But they were the reason he was the most expendable piece to fill other holes.
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No, he was most expendable because they signed John Tavares to an $11 million cap hit and his salary was the easiest to move.
 
Shane Diesel said:
No, he was most expendable because they signed John Tavares to an $11 million cap hit and his salary was the easiest to move.
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They could've also moved Nylander and probably gotten a better return. The suspensions weren't the only reason but it absolutely played a part.
 
The Abusement Park said:
They could've also moved Nylander and probably gotten a better return. The suspensions weren't the only reason but it absolutely played a part.
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Moving Nylander would make no sense and was most likely never in consideration. He was an RFA and has absolutely no one blocking him from top six minutes. Kadri is a UFA at the end of his deal and had Tavares and Matthews ahead of him. If the suspensions were a factor it was ancillary. At best.
 
I wanna see this argument the arbitrator gave that justifies Kadri getting 8 game while Reaves and Wilson get slaps on the wrist. Bunch of BS.
 
Ararana said:
There's a certain poetic irony that Kadri's last suspended game could very well be the game the Avs are eliminated in.

Tip of the cap to Leafs fans, they were completely right in what we were getting in Kadri. Decent player, will cost in you in postseason.
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We laughed last post season when he was scoring at will. Fast forward a year and he's completely screwed the Avs just like Leafs fans said he would... Tack on the fact that he was completely awful for the last 1/3 of the season and well.

Almost funny actually. He needs to go.
 
To be fair to Kadri, I don't think he would have made the difference in this series. Vegas is simply cutting off all our lanes and options, and Bednar has no response besides "We need to execute better".
 
Kadri. Lol. What a f***ing joke this guy is. We'll have months to develop the comedy.
 
McMetal said:
To be fair to Kadri, I don't think he would have made the difference in this series. Vegas is simply cutting off all our lanes and options, and Bednar has no response besides "We need to execute better".
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I think Kadri could have made a difference in limiting the chances for Karlsson and Marchessault.

They've been killing the Avs and that's probably the line he'd be playing against. The top line has been matched up against the Stone-Patches line all series.

If Kadri could have shut down that Karlsson line or at least prevented a goal or two, it might have made the difference in the series. Not that it's over yet but you know what I'm saying.
 
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Bill Peckerskull said:
He has a 10 team NTC. You can bet Buffalo, NY is at the top of that list.
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I wonder though. He is a Toronto native, and Toronto sure isn't taking him back. Buffalo isn't even 2 hours from Toronto. One thing Kadri definitely DOES NOT want is to get stuck as 3C during his contract year. That is now a virtual guarantee. He'd be 2C in Buffalo, maybe 1C when Eichel invariably land in Vegas or NYC. I wonder if Kadri and a boatload of assets could put us in the Eichel race.

Mac > Eichel > Newhook > Jost gives us as good a group of C as any team. The other thig to note is that the Avs have a great deal of depth coming up, clogging the path for draft choices. The coming draft is a mess anyway. What is Sakic keeping the first for? LOC and Newhook need spots in the middle 6. Kaut either needs a space, or be sent to Buffalo with the Kadri package.

Graqves is having a crap season by the eye test, but his analytics over the past two teams will compel somebody to give us a 2 and 4. But that also starts pointing Seattle at Donskoi.

I'm praying EJ goes on permanent LTIR, but if he returns, that leaves us with Makar, Girard, Toews, Timmins, Byram and EJ. We don't need Graves. MacNorris is a fine 7D and Helleson is in the pipeline. So get some picks for Graves whether EJ leaves or not.

Dumping Kadri's salary allows Sakic to re-sign Saad, which simply has to happen.

So again, what about Kadri, Graves, Kaut, Barron, 2021 1st, 2022 3rd for Eichel?

Mikko > Mac > Saad
Landy > Eichel > LOC
Nuke > Jost > Burky
JTC > Newhook > Ranta

Makar > Byram
Girard > Toews
Timmins > MacDonald

This assumes Seattle takes Donskoi

Salaries Jettisoned:
Kadri, Graves, Donskoi, EJ, Kaut , Barron, Grubi ( assuming he wants $6M AAV and we let him chase it. I don't care about the Vezina nod. He is not worth $6M. So perhaps we save $3 million if we keep Frankie and get a $3 million tender. And pray Annunen bounces back!), Soda, Nemeth
Salary incoming:
Eichel

A better person than me, like @Richard88, can do his magic on Cap Friendly to see how this all works.

Sakic needs to do something dramatic, a la his mentor Lacroix. I do not advocate for a complete blowing up of this roster. The window is closing quickly, and he needs to stop trying to find diamonds in the rough. Nuke has been a good find. Toews, while almost thrust into his lap, was a good find. Saad was a good find. But DOnskoi, Grubi, Burky and Kadri have illustrated precisely why they were available on the cheap in the first place.

Oh, yeah, and get on the phone with Gallant tonight, and replace Bednar next year.
 
Foppa2118 said:
I think Kadri could have made a difference in limiting the chances for Karlsson and Marchessault.

They've been killing the Avs and that's probably the line he'd be playing against. The top line has been matched up against the Stone-Patches line all series.

If Kadri could have shut down that Karlsson line or at least prevented a goal or two, it might have made the difference in the series. Not that it's over yet but you know what I'm saying.
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He'd been playing like naked ass for half the season before that hit, we were all ready to chuck him out the door before that. What really sunk us is Nemeth and Graves, I don't think Kadri would have covered for those two the way he was playing.
 
McMetal said:
He'd been playing like naked ass for half the season before that hit, we were all ready to chuck him out the door before that. What really sunk us is Nemeth and Graves, I don't think Kadri would have covered for those two the way he was playing.
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He had been playing poorly offensively but I was never that upset with his defensive play this year.

It didn't stand out very much and it wasn't much to write home about but I think that has more to do with Bednar's system not being tailored to how Kadri prefers to defend with a physical presence.

I think we could have used that physical defense against Vegas though and Bednar might have let the reins off him a bit if he hadn't crossed the line with that hit. He lets LOC hit because he has the wheels to get back in position. I think the same is true with Kadri.
 
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Foppa2118 said:
I wanna see this argument the arbitrator gave that justifies Kadri getting 8 game while Reaves and Wilson get slaps on the wrist. Bunch of BS.
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I'll tell you what I want to see:

A frame by frame comparison of Kadri's hit and the hit in the Cane / Bolt game tonight. I have zero doubt tonight's hit was worse. The elbow clearly went right at the head. But the guy get's 2 minutes, while Kadri gets 5 and 10 then 8 games. Even the dopes at NBC said the league ought to take a look at the hit.
 
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cinchronicity said:
I'll tell you what I want to see:

A frame by frame comparison of Kadri's hit and the hit in the Cane / Bolt game tonight. I have zero doubt tonight's hit was worse. The elbow clearly went right at the head. But the guy get's 2 minutes, while Kadri gets 5 and 10 then 8 games. Even the dopes at NBC said the league ought to take a look at the hit.
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They'll always say that Kadri was different because of his suspension history. But 8 games compared to 1 or 2 for the same play is ridiculous.

Especially when they give slaps on the wrist to guys like Wilson who had been suspended the same number of times before he got fined for his NYR assault, and Reaves had been suspended twice before he cross checked Grubauer in the back of the head and admitted to premeditated assault and ripping Graves hair out for the purposes of revenge.

I know Kadri didn't have the bets year but this ridiculous suspension (not the only thing) might have been the difference in this series.
 
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It's obvious the Avs still need a legit second line center. Whether Kadri's play would have made a difference in this series I don't know, but it would have provided another offensive threat for Vegas to game plan around. Instead they got to zone in our our only offensive center worth a damn in MacKinnon. It's almost like being back to a one line team, their every effort was made in stopping MacKinnon and we have no other centers capable of pick up the ball.

It drives me absolutely crazy that things didn't work out with ROR who is the picture perfect center behind MacKinnon and we drafted the damn guy.
 
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There's no point in trading Kadri. He's a UFA; no rebuilding team wants him and no contending team will pay anything worthwhile at this point.

It makes more sense to acquire a 2nd line center and slide him down to 3rd lines center. It's not like Kadri utilizes his linemates anyway. That 2nd line center should have been acquired this year and I said it all year.
 
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95snipes said:
There's no point in trading Kadri. He's a UFA; no rebuilding team wants him and no contending team will pay anything worthwhile at this point.

It makes more sense to acquire a 2nd line center and slide him down to 3rd lines center. It's not like Kadri utilizes his linemates anyway. That 2nd line center should have been acquired this year and I said it all year.
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Exactly. Use him as a rental. He has cheap contract in the end.
 
Even when Kadri is not at his best, his presence in the lineup allows us to have another line that avoid getting caved in by an opposing second line. When he’s out and 4RW Compher takes his place, two of our top 6 wingers also become useless
 
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Nihiliste said:
Even when Kadri is not at his best, his presence in the lineup allows us to have another line that avoid getting caved in by an opposing second line. When he’s out and 4RW Compher takes his place, two of our top 6 wingers also become useless
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As much as I'd like to say you are right, I simply can't. Because we have no evidence of what Kadri can or can not do against Vegas in the playoffs. To be honest, I don't think his loss has hurt the second line one bit. I think it hurt the third line a f*** ton though. Let's face it Kadri has been hot-shit for two months and was not showing any sign of turning it around in the playoffs. He simply crumbled as the season went along. Like it, hate it all you want but it is what happened. I don't hate the idea of keeping him around another year, but I also wouldn't hate it if Joe did some dealing and wheeling and Kadri was a part of it.
 
Kadri had been dog**** this season but his play was starting to come around the last few games of the regular season, though he still had a poor game 1 vs St. Louis.

But we're all fooling ourselves if we don't think Kadri would have helped. He'd allow Compher to go back to the 4th line and play on the wing with O'Connor, letting him do what he does best. He'd also make room for Burakovsky out there. Let's face it, Burakovsky is struggling in a major way right now in large part because he's the only sniper on the team aside from MacK/Rantanen who play together right now in the lineup.

Kadri takes 1,000 years to shoot a puck but he still shoots it hard and can pick his corners when he's on, he can also straight up shoot it through goalies as we've seen. Any time Burakovsky is on the ice, teams know he wants to shoot and the other guys are not threatening. Kadri is threatening with his shot.
 
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