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dahrougem2 said:
Potential for less games, the neutral arbitrator has in the past ruled in favour of the players more often than not.

With that said, it is utterly pointless if the arbitrator "reduces" the suspension from 8 games down to 6 or 7 yet takes several days to make the decision whereby Kadri will have potentially already served 6/7/8 games.

Sunday is going to be his 6th game served, and I'm not expecting a decision from this arbitrator any time soon.
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The whole thing/process is jus shit isn't it
 
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jabubenice said:
The whole thing/process is jus shit isn't it
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It's just corrupt lets put it plainly. Bettman and the NHL have rigged the process in their favor.

Kadri was supended 14 days ago. The play was 16 days ago. It's ridiculous that we (and especially Kadri himself) still don't have a final ruling on how long he should be suspended for.

There's simply no legitimate reason it should have taken this long, except that the NHL wanted to ensure the arbitrator was powerless in the whole thing.

The PA should up in arms because they negotiated over this in the CBA.
 
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7750 said:
I know Kadri was playing like shit, but I think we miss him a lot.
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Kadri isn't type of a guy who will produce insanely in regular season. I think he gets bored and I can't blame him. I think NHL has way too many games in regular season and even me as a fan sometimes tune out by 82 games. Not that this season was that long.

He needs a bit of fire to get really going. Regular season with Avalanche was kinda boring after certain point because it was clear we will make the playoffs.

He needs more pressure to be in the zone. I think he would be great add Vs Vegas. He would be ready to goooo. Might add a spark to this team too.

He will show up, only question if it will be too late or not. I would like to see him back for game 6 at last..
 
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AllAboutAvs said:
That you keep defending that hit is just mind blowing to me. To each his own I guess.
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I'm not defending the hit. I am questioning the punishment or the general inconsistency thereof. Like the hit or not, it was a hockey play. Perhaps a poorly executed hockey play, but a hockey play. Wilson get's $5000 for two fouls, nether a hockey play and both after the whistle. Reaves gets 2 games for two incredibly bad fouls, both after the whistle. Wilson and Reaves have long histories of violence. Scheifele has zero. Where is the logic? Go find any quote of mine saying it was a clean hit or not a penalty. You will not find any, so don't put words in my mouth.
 
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Foppa2118 said:
It's just corrupt lets put it plainly. Bettman and the NHL have rigged the process in their favor.

Kadri was supended 14 days ago. The play was 16 days ago. It's ridiculous that we (and especially Kadri himself) still don't have a final ruling on how long he should be suspended for.

There's simply no legitimate reason it should have taken this long, except that the NHL wanted to ensure the arbitrator was powerless in the whole thing.

The PA should up in arms because they negotiated over this in the CBA.
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I'm not arguing, but I don't think the NHLPA gives a rat's ass about the team missing Kadri. They are actually the party who appealed to the neutral arbiter. They are more concerned with lost salary than lost games. If, for example, Kadri got suspended for 10 games, and the NHLPA got it reduced to 5 games, they saved a member of the union a lot of cash. True, nobody makes any cash in the playoffs, but they cannot set the precedent of not trying. The NHLPA represents the Avs, and every single player who plays against the Avs. They don't really care when Kadri comes back, only that they set precedents for reducing salary lost.
 
cinchronicity said:
I'm not arguing, but I don't think the NHLPA gives a rat's ass about the team missing Kadri. They are actually the party who appealed to the neutral arbiter. They are more concerned with lost salary than lost games. If, for example, Kadri got suspended for 10 games, and the NHLPA got it reduced to 5 games, they saved a member of the union a lot of cash. True, nobody makes any cash in the playoffs, but they cannot set the precedent of not trying. The NHLPA represents the Avs, and every single player who plays against the Avs. They don't really care when Kadri comes back, only that they set precedents for reducing salary lost.
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The PA doesn't care about the Avs but they care about making sure NHL players are treated fairly. Kadri is no different.

This looks pretty unfair to me and when they agreed to the arbitration process in the CBA I doubt they were agreeing to the arbitrator only being allowed to reduce an 8 game suspension to a 6 or 7 game suspension because the league intentionally dragged the process out 2+ weeks.

This is just a strong arm move by the NHL pure and simple. They know how big the discrepancy is between Kadri's suspension and everyone else and they want to save face by not allowing the arbitrator to reduce it by too many games.
 
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Foppa2118 said:
The PA doesn't care about the Avs but they care about making sure NHL players are treated fairly. Kadri is no different.

This looks pretty unfair to me and when they agreed to the arbitration process in the CBA I doubt they were agreeing to the arbitrator only being allowed to reduce an 8 game suspension to a 6 or 7 game suspension because the league intentionally dragged the process out 2+ weeks.

This is just a strong arm move by the NHL pure and simple. They know how big the discrepancy is between Kadri's suspension and everyone else and they want to save face by not allowing the arbitrator to reduce it by too many games.
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Again, I am not arguing with you. This is Bettman playing God, which is not his job, but we have known forever that the guy is a power hungry little troll. The entire notion of Bettman inserting himself into the equation between Paros and Das is silly. I'm not sure I recall Bettman ever reducing anything. The PA needs to make a stronger argument. But, again, they are a union, and are primarily concerned with players not losing their jobs altogether, or losing too many games' salary. If Kadri sits 8, but gets it reduced to 4 after the fact, the NHLPA has actually done their job.
 
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cinchronicity said:
Again, I am not arguing with you. This is Bettman playing God, which is not his job, but we have known forever that the guy is a power hungry little troll. The entire notion of Bettman inserting himself into the equation between Paros and Das is silly. I'm not sure I recall Bettman ever reducing anything. The PA needs to make a stronger argument. But, again, they are a union, and are primarily concerned with players not losing their jobs altogether, or losing too many games' salary. If Kadri sits 8, but gets it reduced to 4 after the fact, the NHLPA has actually done their job.
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Yeah but the arbitrator wasn't given a chance to reduce it to 4 games because he's already played 5 and it's not clear to me whether they're going to announce the decision before he plays 6 games.

That's the problem. Imagine if the arbitrator did want to reduce it to 4 games?
 
Foppa2118 said:
Yeah but the arbitrator wasn't given a chance to reduce it to 4 games because he's already played 5 and it's not clear to me whether they're going to announce the decision before he plays 6 games.

That's the problem. Imagine if the arbitrator did want to reduce it to 4 games?
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I'm probably not being clear enough. My point is that the NHLPA agreed to the arbitration as a way to get money back for players. Their silence on the delays proves that. Das has set the precedent for cutting a suspension by 50%. And if the suspension is in the regular season, that saves Kadri 4 games worth of payroll, whether he played or not. It could conceivably come into play for any player who has a performance bonus stating they must play X% of playoff games. Das absolutely has the power to reduce the suspension to 4 games. He almost has to with the Sheifele hit in the interim as well as the Reaves nonsense. Again, Kadri did not file this appeal. The NHLPA filed the appeal. I'm sure Kadri saw the folly in an appeal 16 days from the penalty, especially sine he does not stand to claw back any salary. The job of the NHLPA is to try to claw back any lost salary when any one of the 800 or so members sit the full 8.
 
cinchronicity said:
I'm probably not being clear enough. My point is that the NHLPA agreed to the arbitration as a way to get money back for players. Their silence on the delays proves that. Das has set the precedent for cutting a suspension by 50%. And if the suspension is in the regular season, that saves Kadri 4 games worth of payroll, whether he played or not. It could conceivably come into play for any player who has a performance bonus stating they must play X% of playoff games. Das absolutely has the power to reduce the suspension to 4 games. He almost has to with the Sheifele hit in the interim as well as the Reaves nonsense. Again, Kadri did not file this appeal. The NHLPA filed the appeal. I'm sure Kadri saw the folly in an appeal 16 days from the penalty, especially sine he does not stand to claw back any salary. The job of the NHLPA is to try to claw back any lost salary when any one of the 800 or so members sit the full 8.
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I see, so you're saying that the NHLPA won't be as upset with this situation because Kadri isn't losing any money?

I'm not sure I agree with that. They represent players interests not just their financial interests. They make sure they're treated fairly.

I think I'm missing your point on Das being able to reduce Kadri's suspension to 4 games but that's ok. Maybe you're just making a general statement, not one specific to Kadri's situation.
 
He's not going to get his suspension reduced by more than 1-2 games if that. Much ado about nothing.
 
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I was expecting a reduction from 8 to 6, so if the appeal comes down tomorrow, that would just about do it anyway. The end result is likely to be the same for the team, Kadri back on Tuesday.
 
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I was expecting a reduction from 8 to 6, so if the appeal comes down tomorrow, that would just about do it anyway. The end result is likely to be the same for the team, Kadri back on Tuesday.
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Yeah pretty much. And Kadri has still been practicing with the team so its not like he hasn't been on the ice or anything.


I'm expecting an announcement tomorrow of a reduction to 6 games and he's back at home for Tuesday night when we clean up this series.
 
Let's be honest, the league did us a favor in keeping Reaves out a short time and sure enough he's going to play even though the team without him has had an impressive run. I won't argue that they would be better off without Kadri but what's the point of going back and forth about dumb league decisions. In the end the results are what matter and I'm not sold that Kadri would have shifted the ice in any of the games he's missed.
 
willy702 said:
Let's be honest, the league did us a favor in keeping Reaves out a short time and sure enough he's going to play even though the team without him has had an impressive run. I won't argue that they would be better off without Kadri but what's the point of going back and forth about dumb league decisions. In the end the results are what matter and I'm not sold that Kadri would have shifted the ice in any of the games he's missed.
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I certainly think he would have. Compher at 2C is a disaster. Even if Kadri wasn't effective he would be better than JTC. And he would have forced Vegas strategy to adjust a little.
 
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My money was also on Kadri's suspension being reduced to 6 games and I think we'll hear about it today.

That dude better come back tomorrow with every ounce of energy he can muster. He's owes it to the team.
 
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