Kadri player discssion thread.

[Purity*]

That's fine. I too think he is a 2C. We still need to keep searching for a 1C.

Let me ask you this. JVR got a bump playing with Kessel. That's fine. Shouldn't we assume though that if some of these Kadri stats guys are correct, that JVR-Kadri will be better for JVR than JVR-Bozak?

People focus on Boyes-Kessel but if Kadri really is the better Centre, then that isn't a full step backwards.

Just seems like some are lining up the excuses before the season begins. Maybe not you… but pick a theory and go with it.

Better player, more ice time, more opportunity, better attitude… 60 should be a target if all these things are true.

Sort of a like when a sales manager comes to me asking for resources. So you give them resources based on the potential that they say they can go out and get. A few weeks later, you give them a target commensurate with the investment and the opportunity and they give you every reason under the sun why he doesn't think he can make his number.

WTF @ Bolded

Are you forgetting who happens to be on the right wing.

JVR-Bozak happened to have had our leading scorer for 6 years on the other wing.

JVR-Kadri happens to have a PTO washed up old player on the other wing.

What games are you trying to play here? You've pretty much tried every rabbit hole possible to berate Kadri.

Nobody's calling him a #1C. Nobody's predicting he's a lock for 60+ points. Nobody's even calling him a future lock for our top-6. You misrepresent everybody's argument and twist it into something that's easier to refute rather than addressing it directly.

 

[wmark]

The Kadri detractors are out in full force now that their boy Bozak is out.

 

[GordieHoweHatTrick]

The Kadri detractors are out in full force now that their boy Bozak is out.

Bozak is one dimensional.

He's only good on breakaways.

 

[Pookie]

Nobody's calling him a #1C. Nobody's predicting he's a lock for 60+ points. Nobody's even calling him a future lock for our top-6. You misrepresent everybody's argument and twist it into something that's easier to refute rather than addressing it directly.

No one?

So there weren't multiple Kadri threads over the summer, stats presented, fan boys vs haters as it was called and not one person proclaimed him to be a 1C in the NHL?

Okay then.

 

[The Apologist]

WTF @ Bolded

Are you forgetting who happens to be on the right wing.

JVR-Bozak happened to have had our leading scorer for 6 years on the other wing.

JVR-Kadri happens to have a PTO washed up old player on the other wing.

What games are you trying to play here? You've pretty much tried every rabbit hole possible to berate Kadri.

Nobody's calling him a #1C. Nobody's predicting he's a lock for 60+ points. Nobody's even calling him a future lock for our top-6. You misrepresent everybody's argument and twist it into something that's easier to refute rather than addressing it directly.

If nobody is calling him that or saying hes a lock for 60 plus, whats the argument?
What has you so up in arms then?

 

[Gallagbi]

If nobody is calling him that or saying hes a lock for 60 plus, whats the argument?
What has you so up in arms then?

Read the thread, it is not tough to figure out.

 

[Hockey Talker29]

I find it amazing that the Bozak supporters have now raised the bar on what a 1c should produce, now that Bozak is no longer in that role.

Moving the goalposts, at its finest.

I'm most excited to see Bozak off the 1st PP unit. He was awful on it.

 

[TLeafsFan]

Babcock likes to do what's best for the TEAM, not the player or individual. Think about that.

 

[The Apologist]

I find it amazing that the Bozak supporters have now raised the bar on what a 1c should produce, now that Bozak is no longer in that role.

Moving the goalposts, at its finest.

I'm most excited to see Bozak off the 1st PP unit. He was awful on it.

The Bozak 'supporters' are applying the same standards to Kadri that the Bozak detractors have used again him for years.
Apparently those rules dont apply to Nazem though.

 

[The Apologist]

Read the thread, it is not tough to figure out.

I see a lot of this:
Kadri is not a number 1 center.

Kadri wont break 60 pts.

Kadri has not earned the 1c.

People are already making excuses for Kadri.

Are these points correct or not?

 

[Pookie]

I find it amazing that the Bozak supporters have now raised the bar on what a 1c should produce, now that Bozak is no longer in that role.

Moving the goalposts, at its finest.

I'm most excited to see Bozak off the 1st PP unit. He was awful on it.

I'm a neither supporter.

What I find funny is the idea that 43 is better than 42. That's fine. But Now 43 will have his chance. Yet the sandbagging goes that we shouldn't expect more from him.

Not even more than what Bozak did but what's really strange is that we shouldn't expect any more than he himself did 2 years ago with less ice time and inferior line mates.

I am sure someone will claim we never had the debate about Kadri's line mates... Winnik, Santorelli, etc. But we did.

Some have admirably taken a stand and said he should be expected to be better. Produce more.

I am sure Babcock wasn't thinking about Kadri's production from 2 years ago when he said he expects more out of him. Pretty sure he meant more... More than a 2C did with less time.

Some of his backers wanted this opportunity for him. He's got it and now they are selling lowered expectations and/or excuses.

 

[Donald McRonald]

I really hope this works out well for Naz. I've always liked the kid.

 

[Snow Dog]

It will always be #43's line mates fault.Unless of course he succeeds then it will be all his fault.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

It will always be #43's line mates fault.Unless of course he succeeds then it will be all his fault.

You need to stop being purposely obtuse. That argument is only used when people point out Bozak's numbers in comparison to Kadri.

Are you honestly going to sit here and tell me that Bozak playing with JVR and Kessel and Kadri with whomever hasn't had an affect on their point totals? Or the fact that Bozak has gotten more powerplay time?

Even ignoring that it's these two specific players, if it were two random guys from another team the answer would be the same.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

I haven't made a projection yet myself. I'll say that Kadri gets between 50-60 points.

 

[Gallagbi]

I see a lot of this:
Kadri is not a number 1 center.

Kadri wont break 60 pts.

Kadri has not earned the 1c.

People are already making excuses for Kadri.

Are these points correct or not?

 

[Snow Dog]

You need to stop being purposely obtuse. That argument is only used when people point out Bozak's numbers in comparison to Kadri.

Are you honestly going to sit here and tell me that Bozak playing with JVR and Kessel and Kadri with whomever hasn't had an affect on their point totals? Or the fact that Bozak has gotten more powerplay time?

Even ignoring that it's these two specific players, if it were two random guys from another team the answer would be the same.

Of course Bozak's numbers are better and Kadri's worse given their linemates and opportunity.The thing is that some posters are already playing the less than perfect linemate card to make excuses for Naz before the season even starts.

 

[Gallagbi]

Of course Bozak's numbers are better and Kadri's worse given their linemates and opportunity.The thing is that some posters are already playing the less than perfect linemate card to make excuses for Naz before the season even starts.

Excuses being his best full-season to date and better numbers than Bozak has ever put up?

 

[Snow Dog]

Excuses being his best full-season to date and better numbers than Bozak has ever put up?

Crystal ball?

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

You need to stop being purposely obtuse. That argument is only used when people point out Bozak's numbers in comparison to Kadri.

Are you honestly going to sit here and tell me that Bozak playing with JVR and Kessel and Kadri with whomever hasn't had an affect on their point totals? Or the fact that Bozak has gotten more powerplay time?

Even ignoring that it's these two specific players, if it were two random guys from another team the answer would be the same.

These are the same people who think Kessel playing with Crabb vs Seguin with Benn is even stevens.

 

[Gallagbi]

Crystal ball?

Nope, just read the thread and saw the posters comments on those "excuses" you were referring to. Most have "excused" his production with 50+ points.

 

[Snow Dog]

Nope, just read the thread and saw the posters comments on those "excuses" you were referring to. Most have "excused" his production with 50+ points.

Around 50 pts sounds right to me.

 

[Hockey Talker29]

1st line PP. Faceoff win. Goal. 6 seconds.

 

[Gallagbi]

Around 50 pts sounds right to me.

So these excuses.....

 

[Banic]

So far Bozak has more toi and took opening draw. Obviously doesn't mean he's the #1, but it's not clear that Kadri has it yet definitely.