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Value of: Kadri for rebuilding assets

strictlyrandy said:
Interesting. A top pairing quality D is a need, yet you'd rather have a tweener.

Phaneuf isn't a bad player, I just don't think he's a top pairing quality player. That you'd rather have Kadri over Phaneuf speaks a lot.
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We got Phaneuf by unloading most of our bad contracts which tells you that Toronto management didn't have him as part of the long-term plan for the Leafs.

So all that says is that he understands what Lamoriello and Shanahan are doing.
 
Trading Kadri would be a stupid mistake. He's criminally underrated and I'd rather not roll out 19 and 20 year olds as our #1/2 centres. Recipe for disaster.
 
SmoggyTwinkles said:
He needs to be careful going forward.

Like I say, he is developing slowly into a defined role which seems to come from his couching they want him to be a bit dirty, agitate and be hated by other teams.

He's also pretty skilled and has learned to become quite good defensively.

I expect him to be hated very much by other teams fans infact the more hate he gets the better he is doing.

But he needs to be careful with the suspension stuff going forward and I'm pretty sure Leafs management and Kadri are very aware of that.

He is clearly valued given his extension and Babcock clearly sees what us Kadri fans see.

Kadri could easily pass into POS territory very fast but he's just slightly dirty right now and hopefully can keep it that way and help win games as part of the core when things start to really matter and you want a guy that can go out there and get the other team riled up and lose their focus.
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Kadri better because a 4th suspension for a hit to the head after already having 3 may be a very long suspension.
Raffi Torres got 41 games.
 
Things I've learned from this thread. Kadri is a 3C and Dion is a top pairing dman again. When he was on the leafs he was a top 4. Funny how Dion all of a sudden got better
 
Do Make Say Think said:
We got Phaneuf by unloading most of our bad contracts which tells you that Toronto management didn't have him as part of the long-term plan for the Leafs.

So all that says is that he understands what Lamoriello and Shanahan are doing.
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It's funny to think how the Leafs traded "quantity for quality" for Phaneuf and then they dumped him for quantity they could more easily be free from like Calgary did.

Really, both trades (Calgary to Toronto, Toronto to Ottawa) involved probably 5 nothing players for Phaneuf and his bad salary/cap hit (but even more importantly his position on the team)

He brings something with him that teams seem to want to shed when they finally realize he won't actually make them a better team.
 
Kadri is in his mid twenties and is a good 2/3 C; why would you move him? It seems like management is fairly committed to him with his recent contract.
 
Kadri can stay in Toronto. I doubt there are many non-Leaf fans that would pay any amount of decent assets for him.
 
Connor said:
Kadri can stay in Toronto. I doubt there are many non-Leaf fans that would pay any amount of decent assets for him.
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And we're fine keeping him, he's capable of 40-50 pts, he's gritty. Draws penalties, has improved his 200 ft game and is on a cheap contract. Plenty of teams would love to have Kadri.
 
JohnnyO said:
And we're fine keeping him, he's capable of 40-50 pts, he's gritty. Draws penalties, has improved his 200 ft game and is on a cheap contract. Plenty of teams would love to have Kadri.
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Not really.

Kadri is NOT a difference maker. He's a complimentary player on a somewhat expensive, long term contract. AND some of the thinngs OP said as sought after in a return are much harder to find than Kadri.

Plain and simple: Finding a player of similar level to Kadri is easy. A team is going to spend premium assets to get "a Kadri".
 
Connor said:
Not really.

Kadri is NOT a difference maker. He's a complimentary player on a somewhat expensive, long term contract. AND some of the thinngs OP said as sought after in a return are much harder to find than Kadri.

Plain and simple: Finding a player of similar level to Kadri is easy. A team is going to spend premium assets to get "a Kadri".
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Ok. We get it. You underrate Kadri and don't like him
 
Connor said:
Not really.

Kadri is NOT a difference maker. He's a complimentary player on a somewhat expensive, long term contract. AND some of the thinngs OP said as sought after in a return are much harder to find than Kadri.

Plain and simple: Finding a player of similar level to Kadri is easy. A team is going to spend premium assets to get "a Kadri".
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I never said Kadri was a difference maker, he is a complimentary player and is paid accordingly so. I also never made a comment on his trade value. I still think teams would appreciate having a Kadri type player on their team.
 
Gavy said:
Ok. We get it. You underrate Kadri and don't like him
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Or the majority of Leaf fans overestimate him.

I only found one team where fans of that team might think he'd be an improvement for the 2nd line centre role.

On pretty much every other team in the league Kadri is a 3rd line centre (or worse).

I think Kadri is a useful player but other teams have players that can fill a similar role or acquire players that play a similar role for a small price.
 
Connor said:
Not really.

Kadri is NOT a difference maker. He's a complimentary player on a somewhat expensive, long term contract. AND some of the thinngs OP said as sought after in a return are much harder to find than Kadri.

Plain and simple: Finding a player of similar level to Kadri is easy. A team is going to spend premium assets to get "a Kadri".
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I'm not comparing them other than maybe the element they bring to their team, but go out and find yourself a Brad Marchand (who is obviously way better than Kadri by a lot).....

Easy?

Nope, more like impossible. Getting guys like this when they are just entering their prime and still figuring out their place are just not available, because teams don't know they have them until they get there, and then they are worth more to the team they're on than what they could get from other teams.

Also, we should bring up that most fans hate these guys if they're not on their team. And they can't bring themselves to think how much they'd love and appreciate what they bring if they were on their team.

I hate Brad Marchand, but I know I'd absolutely love him if he was on the Leafs.

What is Brad Marchand worth? I bet the Bruins wouldn't trade him unless it was a kings ransom. They'll sign him to a brutal long high cap hit soon and they won't even second guess it. He'll look bad by the end of it maybe but those 5-7 years he was his best will be worth it.

Kadri is signed at 25 into his early 30's at $4.5 his prime years at a reasonable cap hit don't care what people think his trade value is he's not going anywhere and Babcock loves him. I kind of trust Babcock loving Kadri with all his issues and immaturity. He's a really moldable player that wears his heart on his sleeve from what I can tell.
 
JohnnyO said:
I never said Kadri was a difference maker, he is a complimentary player and is paid accordingly so. I also never made a comment on his trade value. I still think teams would appreciate having a Kadri type player on their team.
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I think Kadri is more valuable to the Leafs than any other team.
 
Kadri is here for the long haul. 2c for now, eventually phasing into a 3c role.
 
Kadri was better than the stat line indicated last season. The man just had zero puck luck. His shooting percentage was appalling and I'd prefer to think of the decreased accuracy as an outlier and not the new norm for a player of his caliber. I'm actually pretty excited to see what we get from him on the ice next season.
 
ViewsFromThe6ix said:
He also,

-Has amazing advanced stats
-Very good 2 way player
-Incredibly underpaid. See Killorn contract.
-Had an unsustainable low shooting %.
-Is past all his antics and is an incredibly hard worker, no idea where you get immaturity from.
-Dirty? lol.
-Amazing at drawing penalties

He is much more than a 3C. Kadri was on pace for 27 goals if he shot his career shooting %. No idea where you are getting 3C from.
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Wow, this Nazem guy sounds like he is the best 2C in the league!

Kadri for Malkin? :sarcasm:
 
JKG33 said:
Kadri is extremely overrated by most of my fellow Leaf fans. If your team has him as a 2C then your team isn't a contender. He has the skill set of a 3C, but with his immaturity and dirty play I wouldn't want him on my team.

If the Leafs could somehow get a top 4 defenceman I'd be thrilled, but I'd settle for a late 1st or even a 2nd round pick.
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:facepalm:
 
Management signed him long term knowing they'd have a shot at drafting Mattnews.

I doubt they have much interest in flipping him so soon
 
Connor said:
Or the majority of Leaf fans overestimate him.

I only found one team where fans of that team might think he'd be an improvement for the 2nd line centre role.

On pretty much every other team in the league Kadri is a 3rd line centre (or worse).

I think Kadri is a useful player but other teams have players that can fill a similar role or acquire players that play a similar role for a small price.
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By any tangible metric you'd like to use he's a top six centre.
 
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