Kadri discussion thread after his 30th goal - now featuring 60 points!

FifthLine

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IMHO, he's been our MVP this year, putting up major points, playing a shutdown role, still among the leaders in penalties drawn and positive advanced stats is ridiculous. I've always been a Kadri fan since we drafted him, but I don't think anyone could foresee the transformation he's had under Babcock.
 

stickty111

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IMHO, he's been our MVP this year, putting up major points, playing a shutdown role, still among the leaders in penalties drawn and positive advanced stats is ridiculous. I've always been a Kadri fan since we drafted him, but I don't think anyone could foresee the transformation he's had under Babcock.


He is almost untouchable at this point. Looking at a couple certain posters, I will say this. incoming subtle shots at Gary by 1 person, and sarcastic not funny comments by the other.

I agree though. Babcock has really changed Kadri as has helped him mature. He was a good player but now has become very good-great. He has a chance to be an elite 2 way stud which is quite remarkable. He should get an A on his jersey.
 

diceman934

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Why does it bother people that kadri is having a great year and we have him locked up at an well under market value contract. Kadri himself stated that he could have gotten more if he wanted to test free agency and yet we still have people on here who want him traded.


facts:

Kadri is a 30 Goal center playing against all the other teams best players.

Fact" Kadri does not back down from anyone and is a 200ft complete player.

Fact: Kadri is considered a core player by his coach and management and has been a huge part of this seasons success.

Fact: Highest Goal Scoring Shutdown Center in the League
 

ACC1224

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Why does it bother people that kadri is having a great year and we have him locked up at an well under market value contract. Kadri himself stated that he could have gotten more if he wanted to test free agency and yet we still have people on here who want him traded.


facts:

Kadri is a 30 Goal center playing against all the other teams best players.

Fact" Kadri does not back down from anyone and is a 200ft complete player.

Fact: Kadri is considered a core player by his coach and management and has been a huge part of this seasons success.

Fact: Highest Goal Scoring Shutdown Center in the League

It's human nature to get defensive when proven wrong.
 

MR4

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Think he should get an A just based on how far he's come in his career, all the kids can look up to him and see just how much someone can improve
 

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Why does it bother people that kadri is having a great year and we have him locked up at an well under market value contract. Kadri himself stated that he could have gotten more if he wanted to test free agency and yet we still have people on here who want him traded.


facts:

Kadri is a 30 Goal center playing against all the other teams best players.

Fact" Kadri does not back down from anyone and is a 200ft complete player.

Fact: Kadri is considered a core player by his coach and management and has been a huge part of this seasons success.

Fact: Highest Goal Scoring Shutdown Center in the League

Nice facts.

On the topic of facts, where are all these bothered people that you reference?

Seems like everyone is happy with the production and contract.
 

hamzarocks

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What exactly were people 'wrong' about?

Just so I'm clear.
that kadri was cancerous to the team, that he wasn't a core player, that he wouldn't be offered a long term deal, that he wasn't gonna ever hit 30 goals and 60 pts(that could still happen). Plus a bunch more. Now not every person who said that was a kadri hater or anything, but a few guys were. They wanted him gone and didn't think he could play a defensive role and impact the team the way he does. Everyone on this board has been wrong multiple times before, we've been wrong about our centers too. Bozak while not a number one center, has proven fit to be a 2nd line center on playoff team with 55 pt production, elite faceoff skills and above average defense when the effort is their. Kadri has proven to be a leader, who is physical and can go up against top line talent effectively coming out on top. He's a 30 goal scorer and hopefully soon to be 60 pts player. These two player the most have proven a lot of doubters wrong over the past two years.
 

Clark4Ever

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I knew he'd get there eventually. I didn't expect he would also be such a solid two way centre as well.
 

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There were definitely folks who tried to claim Kadri couldn't be a core player in avoid team

Fair enough. There were definitely some outliers who felt he had no future here.

There are also many who were dead set that he was our future franchise 1c and would be a ppg and anyone who thought otherwise was insane.

There are also those that are dead set that we always this good, has not changed anything at all and that anyone who thinks otherwise is insane.

Many 'haters' thought he was a player who had the potential to be great but in a lesser role, who at the time was NOT a defensive player (Corsi me all you want but taking a million shots does not make you a defensive forward), was prone to circus act one man shows that often led to giveaways and occasionally got into trouble because of his (perceived ) entitlement.

Many of them (of which I count myself) firmly believe that he has not only shown that he can be trusted defensively in most roles but is also making less selfish giveaways and seems to have bought into his role on the team. These people are also apparently completely wrong, which I don't agree with.

And god forbid any of us actually give him credit for doing so.
 

Polaris1010

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At 30 goals, Kadri is 14th in the league in goal scoring, in the era of low goal scoring games.

Hope there is a real push to have Kadri score more goals these last ten games, to make into the top 10 in goal scoring. That will silence the critics.

Until next year at least.

As of recent stats, Crosby leads the league with 42 goals. Second is Marchant at 37. That Kucherov of Tampa is at 37. Kind of surprising. Never thought he had that many goals. I mean, you watch the Leafs play Tampa, and you wonder who is Tampa's best player.

Alex Ovechkin - 29 goals
John Tavares - 27 goals
Conner McDavid - 26 goals
Tyler Seguin - 24 goals
Jamie Benn - 24 goals (guess that is why they traded away his brother)
Phil Kessel - 22 goals (wtf? that hurts. ouch.)

SILENCE!!!!

:cry:
 

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Fair enough. There were definitely some outliers who felt he had no future here.

There are also many who were dead set that he was our future franchise 1c and would be a ppg and anyone who thought otherwise was insane.

There are also those that are dead set that we always this good, has not changed anything at all and that anyone who thinks otherwise is insane.

Many 'haters' thought he was a player who had the potential to be great but in a lesser role, who at the time was NOT a defensive player (Corsi me all you want but taking a million shots does not make you a defensive forward), was prone to circus act one man shows that often led to giveaways and occasionally got into trouble because of his (perceived ) entitlement.

Many of them (of which I count myself) firmly believe that he has not only shown that he can be trusted defensively in most roles but is also making less selfish giveaways and seems to have bought into his role on the team. These people are also apparently completely wrong, which I don't agree with.

And god forbid any of us actually give him credit for doing so.

Well said
 

Bluelines

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Fair enough. There were definitely some outliers who felt he had no future here.

There are also many who were dead set that he was our future franchise 1c and would be a ppg and anyone who thought otherwise was insane.

There are also those that are dead set that we always this good, has not changed anything at all and that anyone who thinks otherwise is insane.

Many 'haters' thought he was a player who had the potential to be great but in a lesser role, who at the time was NOT a defensive player (Corsi me all you want but taking a million shots does not make you a defensive forward), was prone to circus act one man shows that often led to giveaways and occasionally got into trouble because of his (perceived ) entitlement.

Many of them (of which I count myself) firmly believe that he has not only shown that he can be trusted defensively in most roles but is also making less selfish giveaways and seems to have bought into his role on the team. These people are also apparently completely wrong, which I don't agree with.

And god forbid any of us actually give him credit for doing so.

So when them goofballs that continually want to present a false narrative, there should be a script that replaces their post with your's, glad to see the ones living in false narrative fantasy land are in the minority.

Good and accurate post.

Awesome season Naz, career best seasons are special ones. He''ll be a beast in the playoffs (if we make it :) )
 

diceman934

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Ahhh it feels like yesterday 7 years ago, ummm it was 7 years ago yesterday :D , when Kulemin scored his 28th goal on his way to a career high 30 goal season... so what do we take from life's little lesson about 30 goal scorers who've never done it before?

You are comparing a 50 pt center to a 30 pt winger....

In your attempt to discredit Kadri you are making more and more foolish points.

Class dismissed
 

Daisy Jane

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Fair enough. There were definitely some outliers who felt he had no future here.

There are also many who were dead set that he was our future franchise 1c and would be a ppg and anyone who thought otherwise was insane.

There are also those that are dead set that we always this good, has not changed anything at all and that anyone who thinks otherwise is insane.

Many 'haters' thought he was a player who had the potential to be great but in a lesser role, who at the time was NOT a defensive player (Corsi me all you want but taking a million shots does not make you a defensive forward), was prone to circus act one man shows that often led to giveaways and occasionally got into trouble because of his (perceived ) entitlement.

Many of them (of which I count myself) firmly believe that he has not only shown that he can be trusted defensively in most roles but is also making less selfish giveaways and seems to have bought into his role on the team. These people are also apparently completely wrong, which I don't agree with.

And god forbid any of us actually give him credit for doing so.

very well said. cookie for you.
 

Daisy Jane

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Well, I am very happy that Nazzy hit 30 goals. hopefully he'll continue to evolve into a great rat for the team, but be responsible in his own end and not make errant decisions that will cost the team, (this is not a slag - just when you take on the "rat" role, you need to be cognisant of the line and try not to cross it).

i said constantly in the past, that the only thing that was saving him on this team was our lack of talent, and he needed to bring a lot of other things (consistently) to the table, and grow up (a lot) to stay, if and when (and how boy is when here) more talent arrived, and it really appears that he is doing both of these things. I'm really glad that his play is showing that the faith that Nonis, Shanahan, Hunter (before he was hired in Toronto, he made a really key comment on him) is really paying off by his hard work on + off the ice.

it will be really interesting to see how he performs in the playoffs this season should we get there.
 

Wafflewhipper

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Why does it bother people that kadri is having a great year and we have him locked up at an well under market value contract. Kadri himself stated that he could have gotten more if he wanted to test free agency and yet we still have people on here who want him traded.


facts:

Kadri is a 30 Goal center playing against all the other teams best players.

Fact" Kadri does not back down from anyone and is a 200ft complete player.

Fact: Kadri is considered a core player by his coach and management and has been a huge part of this seasons success.

Fact: Highest Goal Scoring Shutdown Center in the League

I would say Naz is not a 30 goal center. Thats not a expectation i will burden my enjoying watching him with. How ever many points he ends up with though this season likely won't be his career year for points. His shot is better slightly and he has been more north south this season. I'm not sure why he broke out with 30 and counting but its partially due to some extra jam at the net.
 

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I will fully admit I was a Kadri doubter. I did not see him working with us long term as a C but he has proved me wrong and I am so pleased with the player he has become. Imagine what his deal would have cost if we tried to sign him after this season?
 

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4.5 million through his prime years... And the contract ends when he's still only 31...
That's how you win a cup. With great cap management like that.
 

Koolboss

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I will fully admit I was a Kadri doubter. I did not see him working with us long term as a C but he has proved me wrong and I am so pleased with the player he has become. Imagine what his deal would have cost if we tried to sign him after this season?

Good on you for admitting
I would say 6mil+
Duchene bracket
 

Wafflewhipper

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Well we could compare 50pt Centers but we already have threads for those.

Apparently if your name is Bozak, a 50pt center has limited value.

I think Bozak has improved. Not just because of having Marner on the line. The beginning ofthe year i though that was the majority of the reason but his overall game is better away from the puck. I would have a difficult time finding a fair trade that would benefit both teams involving him. His value actually rests with not being moved at all. I could care less if we get a stinking mediocre draft pick for a solid vet actually.
 

Bluelines

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You are comparing a 50 pt center to a 30 pt winger....

In your attempt to discredit Kadri you are making more and more foolish points.

Class dismissed

Click on your ctrl + scroll up, maybe the font is not big enough for you to read.... we are talking about 30 GOAL SCORERS... and at the rate Kadri wins face offs can we really put him in the "center" description? But I digress... where were we? ahhh yes please continue with your misdirection and false narrative.

GO KADRI GO!!!.. NO REALLY... GO KADRI GO!!!
 

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