Kadri discussion thread after his 30th goal - now featuring 60 points!

[TheRexman]

Thread title is very misleading.

Congrats to Kadri, having a great year!

 

[Gabriel426]

I really don't understand the hate on Kadri. I admit I was his doubters and glad I am wrong. I hope he continues to prove me wrong as a Leafs, that way Leafs should be a great team.

 

[LeafingTheWay]

Ahhh it feels like yesterday 7 years ago, ummm it was 7 years ago yesterday , when Kulemin scored his 28th goal on his way to a career high 30 goal season... so what do we take from life's little lesson about 30 goal scorers who've never done it before?

We take that we should always look at the stats in depth before making comments

Kadri's sh% is a lot lower than Kuli's. BUT if anyone thinks Kadri is going to be a consistent 30 goal scorer, I'd say they're going to be disappointed.

A consistent 20+ goal scorer in between 23 and 27? I can see that 100%

Consistent 25 G, 30 A = 55 point player for his prime imo.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

I posted a long time ago that Kadri could be a Selke trophy worthy center many many months ago while he was still not totally developed. Don't laugh at me he still hasn't won it. I think he gets a selke as the forward depth filters in to the line up. I never predicted he would score 30 goals ever. It is quite the surprise.

 

[Incetardis]

We take that we should always look at the stats in depth before making comments

Kadri's sh% is a lot lower than Kuli's. BUT if anyone thinks Kadri is going to be a consistent 30 goal scorer, I'd say they're going to be disappointed.

A consistent 20+ goal scorer in between 23 and 27? I can see that 100%

Consistent 25 G, 30 A = 55 point player for his prime imo.

Yup... I feel like 30 is his ceiling. Glad to see him overachieving a bit this year but I won't be disappointed when he scores around 20 and 50 point next year given his role on the team and cap hit. He's the perfect 2/3 C to play behind Matthews and eventually Nylander. I also think giving him the captaincy would be a smart move by management. He's paid his dues and been around long enough to deserve it and he's also the type of guy that would embrace the role and would raise his game to prove he deserves the title. Let Matthews/Marner/Nylander develop without the added stress of wearing a letter.

 

[1specter]

We take that we should always look at the stats in depth before making comments

Kadri's sh% is a lot lower than Kuli's. BUT if anyone thinks Kadri is going to be a consistent 30 goal scorer, I'd say they're going to be disappointed.

A consistent 20+ goal scorer in between 23 and 27? I can see that 100%

Consistent 25 G, 30 A = 55 point player for his prime imo.

Could see his assists rise as the team continues to improve and he continues to get better talent to play with, which would offset the decrease in goals a bit. 60 pts seems doable

 

[cookie]

Is there any credible source re Kadri's partying or is it all based on hearsay? Has management specifically mentioned partying or are we reading between non-existent lines and trying to distort reality? Thanks.

Just to add, having him on the team has really helped transition Nylander and Brown to the NHL. I'm wondering how Nylander would have responded to the shutdown role he was put in had he been playing with a different center...like a guy known more for the physical game than his skill game? Just having a high draftee playing such a responsible brand of hockey seeps throughout the line-up.

 

[7even]

Love watching him when he's on the top of his game. As good a pick at #7 as you could ask for.

 

[Beaninfritz]

I really don't understand the hate on Kadri. I admit I was his doubters and glad I am wrong. I hope he continues to prove me wrong as a Leafs, that way Leafs should be a great team.

It's not so much about Kadri himself, but that people wanted to lock him up long-term, to a bigger contract, because they thought he'd be a 1/2 C. That's why he got some flak for it on hfboards.

He's great on the 3rd line, and decent on the 2nd line. He's got the contract that's warranted for his capabilities. Plus he seems to have toned down on partaking in boneheaded plays/dives.

His ego still is a bit of an issue. Example, the game early in the season against Vancouver. Rielly sent one guy flying with a bodycheck, then Kadri, instead of poke-checking the puck off Sedin's stick, decided to try and one-up Rielly's hit, which was a bad play for the team. Since Sedin did score right before getting hit.

The unrealistic fans thought he'd be a bonafide top 6 offensive threat. He's not. He's in the role that he's best at. Not facing top pairing defense, throwing his weight around and getting under people's skin, and giving a big boost to 3rd line scoring. That half-season, when he was producing great, a lot of people forgot that he was on the 3rd line.

 

[1specter]

It's not so much about Kadri himself, but that people wanted to lock him up long-term, to a bigger contract, because they thought he'd be a 1/2 C. That's why he got some flak for it on hfboards.

He's great on the 3rd line, and decent on the 2nd line. He's got the contract that's warranted for his capabilities. Plus he seems to have toned down on partaking in boneheaded plays/dives.

His ego still is a bit of an issue. Example, the game early in the season against Vancouver. Rielly sent one guy flying with a bodycheck, then Kadri, instead of poke-checking the puck off Sedin's stick, decided to try and one-up Rielly's hit, which was a bad play for the team. Since Sedin did score right before getting hit.

The unrealistic fans thought he'd be a bonafide top 6 offensive threat. He's not. He's in the role that he's best at. Not facing top pairing defense, throwing his weight around and getting under people's skin, and giving a big boost to 3rd line scoring. That half-season, when he was producing great, a lot of people forgot that he was on the 3rd line.

Yeah please stop acting like you've watched at all this year. Not facing to pairing defense...

 

[stickty111]

Yeah please stop acting like you've watched at all this year. Not facing to pairing defense...

Its obvious he hasnt been watching the games. Kadri goes up against top lines basically every game and has scored 30 goals. Thats top line centre stuff if you ask me. He is not on the 3rd line. He is clearly a top 6 talent and has played like one. A top 6 offensive threat that can also shut down top lines is more like it and thats what he has been this season. Ego thing is funny too!

 

[Beaninfritz]

Yeah please stop acting like you've watched at all this year. Not facing to pairing defense...

Correction, not consistently facing top pairing defense. My bad, it's been a long week and I'm pretty damn tired right now.

But you're delusional if opposing teams are not addressing Matthew's and Marner's lines as being the top threats.

 

[Beaninfritz]

Its obvious he hasnt been watching the games. Kadri goes up against top lines basically every game and has scored 30 goals. Thats top line centre stuff if you ask me. He is not on the 3rd line. He is clearly a top 6 talent and has played like one. A top 6 offensive threat that can also shut down top lines is more like it and thats what he has been this season. Ego thing is funny too!

Then why wasn't he potting 30 goals last season?

 

[stickty111]

Actually its been pretty consistent. Its not delusional if Babcock is matching up Kadri with top lines and that is exactly whats been happening

 

[Beaninfritz]

Actually its been pretty consistent. Its not delusional if Babcock is matching up Kadri with top lines and that is exactly whats been happening

When he has the opportunity to, so MNM can be matched up against weaker opposition. Other teams don't view his line as being one of the top 2 threats. They've always played the MNM lines the hardest. When it's an away game, he's rarely facing the top 4 D on the opposing team.

Home team advantage gives the coach the chance to see what the other team is putting on the ice first, and he can adjust his plan accordingly. Burning Kadri's line against the opposition's 2nd D pair, and giving one of his top two lines a chance against weaker D, gives a better chance of his team scoring a goal.

Lastly, he's not top 6 if 3 rookies are out-scoring him, while he possesses the worst plus/minus rating out of any forward on the team. He's great in the role that he's in, but someone making $4.5M after getting a shot at being on the top line the previous season, shows he's not top 6. He had is tryout, he couldn't make it happen.

 

[Bluelines]

Is there any credible source re Kadri's partying or is it all based on hearsay? Has management specifically mentioned partying or are we reading between non-existent lines and trying to distort reality? Thanks.

Just to add, having him on the team has really helped transition Nylander and Brown to the NHL. I'm wondering how Nylander would have responded to the shutdown role he was put in had he been playing with a different center...like a guy known more for the physical game than his skill game? Just having a high draftee playing such a responsible brand of hockey seeps throughout the line-up.

There is an article online from the local London paper about that, it referenced (among other things) the old crowd from London being a bad influence on Naz, and there are others from "National" sports reporters. I think its safe to say based on his performance over the last year and a half he's either got that part of his life in check or is able to balance the demands of pro athlete and the distractions of off ice events.

 

[The Apologist]

Its obvious he hasnt been watching the games. Kadri goes up against top lines basically every game and has scored 30 goals. Thats top line centre stuff if you ask me. He is not on the 3rd line. He is clearly a top 6 talent and has played like one. A top 6 offensive threat that can also shut down top lines is more like it and thats what he has been this season. Ego thing is funny too!

While I love the excitement for Naz, I do find it quite funny that he has excelled offensively twice as a Leaf and both times were in a 'third line' role.
He's ideally a 2/3 C guy who appears to be developing a pretty good two way game.

 

[Pookie]

Is there any credible source re Kadri's partying or is it all based on hearsay? Has management specifically mentioned partying or are we reading between non-existent lines and trying to distort reality? Thanks.

James Mirtle is a source. Published a few pieces on it and his transformation in the Globe and Mail. Eg:

"Nazem Kadri – once the Leafs' most promising prospect – is also attempting to put off-ice issues behind him, including a partying problem that was tied to a three-game suspension for missing a practice back in March."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...-will-sit-for-two-more-games/article23403257/

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...ues-and-second-chances-first/article26449029/

And this nice piece about his transformation:

"Seven years in, Kadri has become a unique piece that finally fits with what the Leafs are building."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...afs-surprising-shutdown-star/article32715816/

 

[Sypher04]

People have always talked a lot of crap about Kadri. Some warranted. A lot of it not. He's been a good offensive player for us all along though really. He's reaching new heights this year with 30+ goals and maybe even 60 points, in addition to the defensive matchup game he plays for us.

I think people don't realize that since making the NHL, this being just his 5th full season, Kadri has scored 103 goals for us, and never less than 17

 

[Gary Nylund]

When he has the opportunity to, so MNM can be matched up against weaker opposition. Other teams don't view his line as being one of the top 2 threats. They've always played the MNM lines the hardest. When it's an away game, he's rarely facing the top 4 D on the opposing team.

Home team advantage gives the coach the chance to see what the other team is putting on the ice first, and he can adjust his plan accordingly. Burning Kadri's line against the opposition's 2nd D pair, and giving one of his top two lines a chance against weaker D, gives a better chance of his team scoring a goal.

Lastly, he's not top 6 if 3 rookies are out-scoring him, while he possesses the worst plus/minus rating out of any forward on the team. He's great in the role that he's in, but someone making $4.5M after getting a shot at being on the top line the previous season, shows he's not top 6. He had is tryout, he couldn't make it happen.

Hard to take you seriously after this gem. BTW, I think you're in the wrong thread - see the thread title.

Congrats again Nazem.

 

[ULF_55]

discussion thread as other thread is closed.

Don't worry, this thread will move on like every other thread, and be replaced.

Next up 31st. goal discussion ...

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Yeah please stop acting like you've watched at all this year. Not facing to pairing defense...

You are so right, this guy doesn't have a clue. Cousin to the bear maybe. You know the hybernation thing!

 

[Wafflewhipper]

It's not so much about Kadri himself, but that people wanted to lock him up long-term, to a bigger contract, because they thought he'd be a 1/2 C. That's why he got some flak for it on hfboards.

He's great on the 3rd line, and decent on the 2nd line. He's got the contract that's warranted for his capabilities. Plus he seems to have toned down on partaking in boneheaded plays/dives.

His ego still is a bit of an issue. Example, the game early in the season against Vancouver. Rielly sent one guy flying with a bodycheck, then Kadri, instead of poke-checking the puck off Sedin's stick, decided to try and one-up Rielly's hit, which was a bad play for the team. Since Sedin did score right before getting hit.

The unrealistic fans thought he'd be a bonafide top 6 offensive threat. He's not. He's in the role that he's best at. Not facing top pairing defense, throwing his weight around and getting under people's skin, and giving a big boost to 3rd line scoring. That half-season, when he was producing great, a lot of people forgot that he was on the 3rd line.

You are so wrong on every word in this post that its not even funny.

 

[1specter]

While I love the excitement for Naz, I do find it quite funny that he has excelled offensively twice as a Leaf and both times were in a 'third line' role.
He's ideally a 2/3 C guy who appears to be developing a pretty good two way game.

He's not 3rd line this year though. in 2013, he was legit third line based on minutes and usage, as he was sheltered. This year he is being used more like a 1B, with his minutes and usage. In terms of our centres only Matthews plays more.

 

[1specter]

When he has the opportunity to, so MNM can be matched up against weaker opposition. Other teams don't view his line as being one of the top 2 threats. They've always played the MNM lines the hardest. When it's an away game, he's rarely facing the top 4 D on the opposing team.

Either back it up, or it's just conjecture.

Here, I'll even help you:

www.leftwinglock.com