Value of: Kaapo Kakko

[Blackhawkswincup]

Blackhawks probably add a 4th or take back some salary or something but I'd like to see this deal get done.
Change of scenery for both players.

I think cost difference is enough for Hawks not to have to add

Kakko has $2.1M AAV thru next year
Reichel has $1.2M AAV thru next year

Hawks give Rangers some cap room (Small but still) cap room relief in deal

 

[VeteranPresence]

We're quite literally 3, yes THREE, games into the season.

First time I see a projection on point after three game lol Huberdeau is on pace for 123 pts this season.

You guys know he did play last year, right?

2023-24: 0.31 PPG (25 point pace)
2024-25: 0.33 PPG (27 point pace)

If you don't think 61 games (really 221, if you exclude his outlier 40 point season) is enough, I'm not sure what to tell you. The guy is a bust, move on now before his draft pedigree is even more of a distant memory.

 

[StuckOutHere]

Liljegren for Kakko?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

You guys know he did play last year, right?

2023-24: 0.31 PPG (25 point pace)
2024-25: 0.33 PPG (27 point pace)

If you don't think 61 games (really 221, if you exclude his outlier 40 point season) is enough, I'm not sure what to tell you. The guy is a bust, move on now before his draft pedigree is even more of a distant memory.

So what about the year before that? Or inconvenient for your flawed narrative?

Liljegren for Kakko?

Last thing we need is a RHD.

 

[Sticktape]

Kakko for Holtz

 

[bernmeister]

He’s already an established good third line winger. Those go for at least a second. His value won’t become 0.

and this is in a vacuum
he has mo value to Rs w/bread not getting extended

 

[VeteranPresence]

So what about the year before that? Or inconvenient for your flawed narrative?

You mean the outlier season I already addressed...?

If you don't think 61 games (really 221, if you exclude his outlier 40 point season) is enough, I'm not sure what to tell you.

It would seem yours is the flawed argument if all you can do is point to a single year and shout that it's the real trend and, you know, not all the other ones around it...

2019-20: 0.35 PPG
2020-21: 0.35 PPG
2021-22: 0.41 PPG
2022-23: 0.48 PPG
2023-24: 0.31 PPG
2024-25: 0.33 PPG

We know what this player is, he's a bust, move on and just be glad Laf rebounded and is going to cover the bet. Not every team hits on their picks and the mighty Rangers are no different.

 

[Albatros]

Trading a useful player just because he was drafted too high would be moronic.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

You mean the outlier season I already addressed...?



It would seem yours is the flawed argument if all you can do is point to a single year and shout that it's the real trend and, you know, not all the other ones around it...

2019-20: 0.35 PPG
2020-21: 0.35 PPG
2021-22: 0.41 PPG
2022-23: 0.48 PPG
2023-24: 0.31 PPG
2024-25: 0.33 PPG

We know what this player is, he's a bust, move on and just be glad Laf rebounded and is going to cover the bet. Not every team hits on their picks and the mighty Rangers are no different.

Okay then, no thanks. We’ll stick to our valuation. We don’t need to sell him to your team.

 

[bernmeister]

Liljegren for Kakko?

again, no, we are not dealing him and certainly not for cheap

 

[VeteranPresence]

Okay then, no thanks. We’ll stick to our valuation. We don’t need to sell him to your team.

My team doesn't need a perennial sub-30 point forward for a 2nd round pick. No teams do, come to think of it...

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Veleno for Kakko

 

[Savant]

Last thing we need is a RHD.

I mean I wouldn't say this, but would def prefer a lefty

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I mean I wouldn't say this, but would def prefer a lefty

We have arguably the best RHD in the league (okay likely second after Makar), who should really be playing about five minutes more per game than he does. That reduces any need for good 2RHD's and 3RHD's, but Schneider is pretty good and he's young. Trouba is the captain and all and has things that are redeeming about his game. He's had some good years before. Maybe this'll be a good one after he's now healthy.

And then when Trouba gets traded, we got Mancini (who is honestly a top 4 prospect for the team at this point) ready to step in next season. And then another top 4 prospect for the team Emery should be like two years behind him.

I think RHD is our deepest position, even more so than LW.

 

[Savant]

We have arguably the best RHD in the league (okay likely second after Makar), who should really be playing about five minutes more per game than he does. That reduces any need for good 2RHD's and 3RHD's, but Schneider is pretty good and he's young. Trouba is the captain and all and has things that are redeeming about his game. He's had some good years before. Maybe this'll be a good one after he's now healthy.

And then when Trouba gets traded, we got Mancini (who is honestly a top 4 prospect for the team at this point) ready to step in next season. And then another top 4 prospect for the team Emery should be like two years behind him.

I think RHD is our deepest position, even more so than LW.

Mancini being a top 4 prospect is why we also need RD. D cupboard is bare. Might have to replace half the defense next year.. IF Schneider can stick on the left it opens some things up, but yeah I wouldn't say no to RHD, but would rather have LHD; especially in this kind of a scenario.

 

[bernmeister]

Veleno for Kakko

again, he's not being given away,, so no

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

Robertson, Liljegren & 1st (2026)
for
Schneider & Kakko

 

[TGWL]

A 25 point pace is "good"?

He had 1 point called off for a toe nail being offside. That puts his pace at nearly 55...

My point isn't he should have 2 points. My point is if something as small as 1 disallowed goal more than doubles the pace, maybe it's a silly thing to talk about right now. Also, paced for over 20 goals after his injury last season. The assist weren't there. I am one of his biggest critics but it's way to early to talk about production pace when 1 point changes everything.

 

[bernmeister]

Robertson, Liljegren & 1st (2026)
for
Schneider & Kakko

no

 

[Bizz]

What's your best offer for Kakko? Bear in mind that the Rangers can't take on salary.

Kakko and your next 3 1sts, for a conditional 7th.

 

[Petes2424]

He’s hitting that stage, where the Rangers aren’t going “out of their way” to put him into positions to succeed anymore, like we see with high draft choices.. A trade is probably the best thing for him at this point. A different approach, role, etc, maybe makes a difference for him somewhere else..

As for the Rangers? Hey, it happens. He’s certainly nowhere near a Top 10 pick, and likely not a 1st Rounder in any redraft. You can’t blame the Rangers for drafting him though. Everyone would’ve made the same pick. Did they push him too much early? Maybe. We’ll never really know though. This was a big summer for him to take another step, but it’s pretty apparent that’s not in the cards.

If he goes somewhere else and becomes a consistent Top 6 player, it’ll be because he changed some things after leaving NY. It’s time for a change though. They won’t get much in return. If it gets to next summer though, they’ll likely get nothing, so if they can get something now, it’s probably reached that point.

The Rangers still need that 3rd liner who can play up when needed, kill penalties and play a lot of those hard minutes for them. That’s what they should be looking for, from a team. Could they get a Rasmussen from Detroit? It’ll cost more than Kakko, but he’s locked in at around $3 million for the next 3-4 years. Not sure Detroit would/should trade him but maybe there’s a deal that be made for a player like him. He’s hard to play against, and plays those hard minutes I was talking about. He’s also priced right AAV wise.

It really does look like the Kakko years are reaching the end of the line though. If they can include him as part of the value, to bring in a player who is gonna help them when it counts, they’d be smart to do so.

 

[Nnowski]

He’s hitting that stage, where the Rangers aren’t going “out of their way” to put him into positions to succeed anymore, like we see with high draft choices.. A trade is probably the best thing for him at this point. A different approach, role, etc, maybe makes a difference for him somewhere else..

As for the Rangers? Hey, it happens. He’s certainly nowhere near a Top 10 pick, and likely not a 1st Rounder in any redraft. You can’t blame the Rangers for drafting him though. Everyone would’ve made the same pick. Did they push him too much early? Maybe. We’ll never really know though. This was a big summer for him to take another step, but it’s pretty apparent that’s not in the cards.

If he goes somewhere else and becomes a consistent Top 6 player, it’ll be because he changed some things after leaving NY. It’s time for a change though. They won’t get much in return. If it gets to next summer though, they’ll likely get nothing, so if they can get something now, it’s probably reached that point.

The Rangers still need that 3rd liner who can play up when needed, kill penalties and play a lot of those hard minutes for them. That’s what they should be looking for, from a team. Could they get a Rasmussen from Detroit? It’ll cost more than Kakko, but he’s locked in at around $3 million for the next 3-4 years. Not sure Detroit would/should trade him but maybe there’s a deal that be made for a player like him. He’s hard to play against, and plays those hard minutes I was talking about. He’s also priced right AAV wise.

It really does look like the Kakko years are reaching the end of the line though. If they can include him as part of the value, to bring in a player who is gonna help them when it counts, they’d be smart to do so.

If Detroit can trade Ras they should jump all over it before other teams realize what he is

 

[MW6]

Kakko for Mangiapane @ 50% rsa