Player Discussion Kaapo Kakko

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Synergy27

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If the kid line is for real, it severely complicates the Copp decision. There’s no doubting his value to the team, but the assumption has been that he’d be replacing Strome on line 2.

$5M for a versatile 2C is a great deal. $5M for a versatile 3C, when you have several big raises coming down the line, is a dangerous proposition.

They need to be taking into account the next contracts for Laf, Kakko, KAM, and Chytil before signing anymore long term contracts.
 

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Not too worried about offer sheets after the Carolina one is looking hilariously stupid now

The fact that we only had 2 succesful offer sheets in the last decade leads me to believe that a lot of players simply have no desire signing with other teams.

We have no visibility on offer sheets that go unsigned but I am almost certain there are many more attempts than just the ones that make it to successful offer sheets.

He was born in Jericho, literally homegrown!

I get his point, Fox never really set foot in any organization until the Rangers. He was all Harvard/USA.

Calgary Flames and Carolina Hurricanes were still heavily involved in his development. Prospect camp in 2016 followed by bi-weekly/monthly communication with the NHL organization while playing for Harvard.
 
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this discourse is very reminiscent of this board thinking Brassard and Zuccarello would crumble getting top line minutes because they had it so easy as our third line in 13-14.

which, uh, didn't happen lol

the reality is that no line is as sheltered as some here think the kids line is. 80% of starts are on the fly and not controlled. in the playoffs a top 4 pair are playing 85% of the TOI. the Rangers have a 4th line that rarely starts in the defensive zone. I'm sure in small samples Zibanejad draws the "more difficult" matchups but that tends to happen when you play a lot, of course you're more likely to see their best players and best D a little more often, they play a lot too.

also, Gallant is literally anything but a strategy and matchup guy lol. has this playoffs not made that screeching obvious?

I see no reason they can't be a second line because lines 1/2/3 are arbitrary nonsense. it's just TOI. if they get 13 min of ES TOI a game that's perfectly fine.

Any benefit you think worse competition offers is made up by more ice time three times over.

This still only addresses 50% of my argument - I’m fine with the kids getting more minutes and having it break down more like a 1A, 1B, 1C scenario at even strength. I still don’t think you put Panarin on the top line with Kreider and Zib and cut your depth down to 2 lines.

Kreider - Zib -
Panarin - Copp -
Laf - Chytil - KK


Fill the blanks with Kravtsov/Blais/whatever, like we’ve done with Vatrano on the top line or Blackwell with Panarin the past, and give yourself three lines that are a threat. Putting Panarin with Zib and Kreider just makes the depth shallower. Centering Panarin, Copp is a 60 point center. Centering Blais and Cuylle? That line may cause a little havoc but it’s not a threat.
 

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The fact that we only had 2 succesful offer sheets in the last decade leads me to believe that a lot of players simply have no desire signing with other teams.

We have no visibility on offer sheets that go unsigned but I am almost certain there are many more attempts than just the ones that make it to successful offer sheets.



Calgary Flames and Carolina Hurricanes were still heavily involved in his development. Prospect camp in 2016 followed by bi-weekly/monthly communication with the NHL organization while playing for Harvard.
Adam Fox says otherwise.

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Non of his development was done within any other organization.

No real input from any other organization.

That's just flatout wrong. NHL teams are heavily involved in a prospect's development even if they are in college. Frequent conversations with trainers, coaches and even assigning personal development programs and individuals to facilitate that.

The Rangers for instance this season with Berard spent significant time and resources to help him develop.
 
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I still think Kakko is half a second behind the pace of the game. Would probably put Laf there even though he seems more suited to the half wall - in time he’ll take Panarin’s place or run PP2 with Kakko taking the bumper on PP1.

I agree, a big part of Kakko's problem is his mental processing and, in the same vein, his confidence.

The physical skills are there for a very, very good player (though obviously some things there could stand to improve too, like further developing his strength, improving his average speed, improving his shot, etc), but his biggest is for him is mental.

Which is, I think, good, because unless he's too dumb (and I don't think he is), then it's all just experience and learning, and he'll come around. And I think for a European player we should expect that it takes a few years to take off sometimes.

If the kid line is for real, it severely complicates the Copp decision. There’s no doubting his value to the team, but the assumption has been that he’d be replacing Strome on line 2.

$5M for a versatile 2C is a great deal. $5M for a versatile 3C, when you have several big raises coming down the line, is a dangerous proposition.

They need to be taking into account the next contracts for Laf, Kakko, KAM, and Chytil before signing anymore long term contracts.

You are right. And no one will want to talk about that angle. But if the Chytil-Laf-Kakko line is truly ascending rapidly, and Panarin joins the Zibanejad-Kreider line, then paying Copp $5m is bad for business. His contract better not have NMCs or NTCs.

Even if we do pay Copp big money, you better sign Kakko first this offseason. You can't risk losing him to a cheap offer sheet where the signing team only has to give you less than a first round pick.
 

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Calgary Flames and Carolina Hurricanes were still heavily involved in his development. Prospect camp in 2016 followed by bi-weekly/monthly communication with the NHL organization while playing for Harvard.

and we thank them for their service.


Back to the topic at hand,
I mean if Buchnevich can eventually turn into a PPG player, so can Kakko. Just depends how long we have to wait and if he's still with the Rangers when it happens.
 

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Not sure why we talk about this in the Capo thread, but the only thing that makes Fox NOT homegrown, is the circumstance that he isn't drafted by the Rangers. And imo in his case, that's super minor.
 

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If the kid line is for real, it severely complicates the Copp decision. There’s no doubting his value to the team, but the assumption has been that he’d be replacing Strome on line 2.

$5M for a versatile 2C is a great deal. $5M for a versatile 3C, when you have several big raises coming down the line, is a dangerous proposition.

They need to be taking into account the next contracts for Laf, Kakko, KAM, and Chytil before signing anymore long term contracts.
I THINK the kid line is real.

Remember, Kappo Kakko was our best player in the bubble too. And that was with far less experience than he has today. Think about that progression. Does he have a lot to work on? Without question, yes. But when you took him off that line, it all fell apart in Game 5 last round.

I think these three kids are tournament-players who are learning to find each other. And it would be amazing if they can be left together for a long period of time to further develop a chemistry.

I do really like Copp as well, but I'm not sure extending him is as important as keeping the young core of the team together.

I really just don't know. Copp and the kids have all been great in this run so far.
 

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I THINK the kid line is real.

Remember, Kappo Kakko was our best player in the bubble too. And that was with far less experience than he has today. Think about that progression. Does he have a lot to work on? Without question, yes. But when you took him off that line, it all fell apart in Game 5 last round.

I think these three kids are tournament-players who are learning to find each other. And it would be amazing if they can be left together for a long period of time to further develop a chemistry.

I do really like Copp as well, but I'm not sure extending him is as important as keeping the young core of the team together.

I really just don't know. Copp and the kids have all been great in this run so far.

See what Copp’s price is. See what bridge Kakko will take.

Dump Nemeth.

I still like having Kreider Zib and Panarin Copp separate, even if the kids get more time and more PP time next year. Even if that means having plug-in players in the third spot on those lines (can grab a rental the deadline, plug-ins will be enough to get us in the playoffs) it gives us 3 dangerous lines. If we put Panarin on the Zib line and make the kid line the 2nd line than we only have 2 dangerous lines. Panarin being on the Zib line won’t make the Zib line any better. But it would decrease our depth. Eventually something like that may have to happen, but for now, while we can afford it, I want to keep Panarin and Zibanejad on their own lines.


Now if you don’t sign Copp… you could go:

Kreider - Zib - Laf
Panarin - Chytil - Kakko

But your third line is a mix of Goodrow, Blais, Kravtsov if he ends up playing for us, one of Otthman/Cuylle if they make the team… that’s a LOT more shallow. Keeping Kreid/Zib and Copp/Panarin as couples, then having the kid line, then Goodrow/Blais/Kravtsov/Kids/Motte/Hunt/Reaves to fill out your 4th line and the two empty wing slots next to the big couples.
 

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That's just flatout wrong. NHL teams are heavily involved in a prospect's development even if they are in college. Frequent conversations with trainers, coaches and even assigning personal development programs and individuals to facilitate that.

The Rangers for instance this season with Berard spent significant time and resources to help him develop.
Fair point.

I was always under the impression that NHL clubs took a hands off approach with College drafted players.
 

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He was in our organization for 3 days before he signed his ELC at age 21. How is that homegrown?
Whose organization was he actually in before that? No pro team’s. He was never signed, never played for anyone else’s minor teams. He was drafted, played college hockey, was traded twice, then signed with us and developed into the pro player he IS with NYR. So. How is he NOT homegrown (as opposed to home drafted)? What other NHL team developed (grew) him?
I mean all semantics aside, he’s a pro career long NYR.
 
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Adam Fox signed MetroCard is worth over $54,000 already on the open market for sports memorabilia.

If they started putting metrocards that had a random amount of $ on them in packs of hockey cards, I’d probably start buying again. Or LIRR tickets. You pull any good autographs or jerseys? No but I got my LIRR monthly pass, that’s $327.
 

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The fact that we only had 2 succesful offer sheets in the last decade leads me to believe that a lot of players simply have no desire signing with other teams.

We have no visibility on offer sheets that go unsigned but I am almost certain there are many more attempts than just the ones that make it to successful offer sheets.



Calgary Flames and Carolina Hurricanes were still heavily involved in his development. Prospect camp in 2016 followed by bi-weekly/monthly communication with the NHL organization while playing for Harvard.

People here don't believe teams do anything in developing players, but rather that the players develop themselves. :sarcasm:
 

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Line 1 gonna line 1. Fun seeing them get time with Fox. Glad Laf missed the open net now. Better for the line if Kakko gets more confidence. 3 game point streak.
 

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Glad he scored tonight. Nice hands to get the tip up over vaz. Just want to see him assert himself more in his actual game the way laf and even chytil are now doing. Rarely seen such a high draft pick with skills seem to have such sensitive confidence.
 

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Glad he scored tonight. Nice hands to get the tip up over vaz. Just want to see him assert himself more in his actual game the way laf and even chytil are now doing. Rarely seen such a high draft pick with skills seem to have such sensitive confidence.
So weird how Ranger fans with Kakko always have to be "great, except....."

He's in a fantastic stretch. When GG 4th lined him the 3rd line was bad. When Kakko is there they are our best line by a mile. I'll focus on the positives. I know in this thread that makes me an outlier.
 
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