Player Discussion Kaapo Kakko

[haveandare]

Not too worried about offer sheets after the Carolina one is looking hilariously stupid now

 

[mas0764]

Not too worried about offer sheets after the Carolina one is looking hilariously stupid now

I wish we had Kotkaniemi on an 8 year deal.

 

[charliemurphy]

Kakko should be on the same line as Panarin next season... ideally with Copp between them. And Laf with Kreider and Zib

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Kakko should stay right where he is next season. With Chytil and Laff. There's your line 2.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Kakko should be on the same line as Panarin next season... ideally with Copp between them. And Laf with Kreider and Zib

why the F are we breaking up the kid line.
Throw copp on a third line with maybe kratsov and othmann.

 

[Cuckoo4Kakko]

Yeah. This kid line, or the "bust line" as Devils fans say (while watching Rangers playoff hockey), stays together next year. Panarin moves to line 1. Copp on line 3.

Fun fact: Each bust has more playoff points than Jack Hughes.

 

[charliemurphy]

why the F are we breaking up the kid line.
Throw copp on a third line with maybe kratsov and othmann.

Step away from the edge. Nobody is breaking up anything.... its a discussion board. You think they'll stay together next season, gotcha.
I'd like Othmann given a shot but do you really think Kravstov will be on the roster?

Kakko should stay right where he is next season. With Chytil and Laff. There's your line 2.

So where is Panarin? And is Strome and Copp back to?

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Step away from the edge. Nobody is breaking up anything.... its a discussion board. You think they'll stay together next season, gotcha.
I'd like Othmann given a shot but do you really think Kravstov will be on the roster?


So where is Panarin? And is Strome and Copp back to?

You put Panarin with Zib and tell Kreider to get comfortable on the right side in the offseason. You put Copp with Goodrow on the 3rd. Strome is bye-bye.

 

[will1066]

Wrong thread

 

[Cuckoo4Kakko]

Copp with Goodrow.......and Kravstov?

 

[IDvsEGO]

Step away from the edge. Nobody is breaking up anything.... its a discussion board. You think they'll stay together next season, gotcha.
I'd like Othmann given a shot but do you really think Kravstov will be on the roster?


So where is Panarin? And is Strome and Copp back to?

Im unsure if Kratsov is back, but we’d move him for something if he’s not.

10-93-20

Kids

Third line w copp. Othmann should get a shot and probably cuylle for 3rd/4th.

Copp with Goodrow.......and Kravstov?

Goodrow needs to be on the 4th. When he plays there he brings value, add motte to his line and it gets even better.

Our ideal 4th should be something like
Motte- goodrow - hunt/blais

 

[charliemurphy]

You put Panarin with Zib and tell Kreider to get comfortable on the right side in the offseason. You put Copp with Goodrow on the 3rd. Strome is bye-bye.

So you have a 1st line of Panarin-Zib-Kreider, 2nd line the kid line, 3rd line of Copp w/Goodrow and who else? What's the 4th line?
Trying to see where you're going but can't see it happening at all.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

why the F are we breaking up the kid line.
Throw copp on a third line with maybe kratsov and othmann.

Because next season we can’t have them on the 3rd line getting 13 minutes anymore. They need to be on the top 2 lines getting 17-18 minutes with real PP time.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

So you have a 1st line of Panarin-Zib-Kreider, 2nd line the kid line, 3rd line of Copp w/Goodrow and who else? What's the 4th line?
Trying to see where you're going but can't see it happening at all

I think Goodrow, Blaise, Copp would be an outstanding third line. That's not even factoring in Kravstov, Cuylle, Othmann, or cheap FA signings. Maybe they bring someone like Vetrano back.

 

[LOFIN]

Because next season we can’t have them on the 3rd line getting 13 minutes anymore. They need to be on the top 2 lines getting 17-18 minutes with real PP time.

And the answer to this issue is the following:

You put Panarin with Zib and tell Kreider to get comfortable on the right side in the offseason. You put Copp with Goodrow on the 3rd. Strome is bye-bye.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Because next season we can’t have them on the 3rd line getting 13 minutes anymore. They need to be on the top 2 lines getting 17-18 minutes with real PP time.

Who is best fit for the bumper position on the PP? Obviously Zibby, Fox, Kreider and Panarin stay on PP1.

Panarin-Zib-Kreider
Laf-Chytil-Kaako
Othmann-Copp-Kravstov
Motte-Goodrow-Blais

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider
Braun

Shesterkin
Greiss

 

[LokiDog]

Let’s see how the playoffs play out the rest of the way. This is a small sample size - could be a great line for us for a long, long time. Could be lightning in a bottle. I’ll accept either for as long as it will last, and would certainly be okay with trying it again next season to see if they carry over, but the kid line isn’t written in cement for beyond these playoffs yet. Part of the reason they’re succeeding is they’re getting the matchups. Put Panarin and Zib on the same line and bump the kid line up and that goes away. While they’re still young and cheap, spreading it out and letting them get favorable matchups makes us deeper AND probably keeps them cheaper too.

Assume they’re the second line; I’d go:

Bread - Z - K
Kids
Ott/Cuylle/Blais - Copp - Blais/Krav
Motte - Goodrow - Hunt/Reaves

Assume they’re not permanently together; I’d go:

K - Z - L
Bread - Copp - KK/Krav
Blais/Ott - Chytil - KK/Krav
Motte - Goodrow - Hunt/Reaves

Could swap Blais out to the KZ line and see how it goes, leaving the kid line intact as a third line with favorable matchups. I think Panarin and Zib on separate lines is important to the success of the club, and Copp has to be with Panarin for it to work, since he plays like a (much) better Blackwell at C.

 

[haveandare]

I wish we had Kotkaniemi on an 8 year deal.

Yeah, for league minimum.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Let’s see how the playoffs play out the rest of the way. This is a small sample size - could be a great line for us for a long, long time. Could be lightning in a bottle. I’ll accept either for as long as it will last, and would certainly be okay with trying it again next season to see if they carry over, but the kid line isn’t written in cement for beyond these playoffs yet. Part of the reason they’re succeeding is they’re getting the matchups. Put Panarin and Zib on the same line and bump the kid line up and that goes away. While they’re still young and cheap, spreading it out and letting them get favorable matchups makes us deeper AND probably keeps them cheaper too.

Assume they’re the second line; I’d go:

Bread - Z - K
Kids
Ott/Cuylle/Blais - Copp - Blais/Krav
Motte - Goodrow - Hunt/Reaves

Assume they’re not permanently together; I’d go:

K - Z - L
Bread - Copp - KK/Krav
Blais/Ott - Chytil - KK/Krav
Motte - Goodrow - Hunt/Reaves

Could swap Blais out to the KZ line and see how it goes, leaving the kid line intact as a third line with favorable matchups. I think Panarin and Zib on separate lines is important to the success of the club, and Copp has to be with Panarin for it to work, since he plays like a (much) better Blackwell at C.

Sure you can say it's a small sample size, but these are playoff games, not just 10 games in the middle of December. These guys are stepping up in the most difficult games and elevating their play. 14 games or not, that is huge. The amount of confidence these guys are getting and will take into the offseason and into next season cannot be measured.

 

[LokiDog]

Sure you can say it's a small sample size, but these are playoff games, not just 10 games in the middle of December. These guys are stepping up in the most difficult games and elevating their play. 14 games or not, that is huge. The amount of confidence these guys are getting and will take into the offseason and into next season cannot be measured.

But it also isn’t guaranteed to last. Fernando Pisani, anyone? If even one of the kids regresses badly then what? If you write them in as the 2nd line, in stone, now you’re in trouble. And what about the matchups they’re afforded by having Panarin and Zibanejad on separate lines. That’s a huge strength. Let them be an elite third line, if you’re keeping them together, until you can’t afford to run them as a third line anymore and have to lose some depth. Stacking one line and then running the kid line as the second line is a recipe for regression.

 

[Peltz]

Who is best fit for the bumper position on the PP? Obviously Zibby, Fox, Kreider and Panarin stay on PP1.

Panarin-Zib-Kreider
Laf-Chytil-Kaako
Othmann-Copp-Kravstov
Motte-Goodrow-Blais

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider
Braun

Shesterkin
Greiss

Kakko is the best in that position. He had it for like a game and they capitalized. And he looks great when under pressure. He can dish it quickly.

Honestly, him or Laf could do it.

 

[mas0764]

One thing to remember about Kakko is that, had he played the whole season instead of (essentially) half of it, he would have finished with like 14 goals and 22 assists.

That doesn't have quite the flash of Lafreniere's near 20 goal season (19) but it's a pace for more points overall. He would have had about 36 points to Lafreniere's 31.

He's coming along.

 

[Raspewtin]

But it also isn’t guaranteed to last. Fernando Pisani, anyone? If even one of the kids regresses badly then what? If you write them in as the 2nd line, in stone, now you’re in trouble. And what about the matchups they’re afforded by having Panarin and Zibanejad on separate lines. That’s a huge strength. Let them be an elite third line, if you’re keeping them together, until you can’t afford to run them as a third line anymore and have to lose some depth. Stacking one line and then running the kid line as the second line is a recipe for regression.

this discourse is very reminiscent of this board thinking Brassard and Zuccarello would crumble getting top line minutes because they had it so easy as our third line in 13-14.

which, uh, didn't happen lol

the reality is that no line is as sheltered as some here think the kids line is. 80% of starts are on the fly and not controlled. in the playoffs a top 4 pair are playing 85% of the TOI. the Rangers have a 4th line that rarely starts in the defensive zone. I'm sure in small samples Zibanejad draws the "more difficult" matchups but that tends to happen when you play a lot, of course you're more likely to see their best players and best D a little more often, they play a lot too.

also, Gallant is literally anything but a strategy and matchup guy lol. has this playoffs not made that screeching obvious?

I see no reason they can't be a second line because lines 1/2/3 are arbitrary nonsense. it's just TOI. if they get 13 min of ES TOI a game that's perfectly fine.

 

[Machinehead]

Any benefit you think worse competition offers is made up by more ice time three times over.

 

[Narcissus]

Kakko is the best in that position. He had it for like a game and they capitalized. And he looks great when under pressure. He can dish it quickly.

Honestly, him or Laf could do it.

I still think Kakko is half a second behind the pace of the game. Would probably put Laf there even though he seems more suited to the half wall - in time he’ll take Panarin’s place or run PP2 with Kakko taking the bumper on PP1.