Luke DeCock: Justin Faulk Speculation

[geehaad]

Anyone find it weird that we'd send out CDH because of injury worries but might take on Kase with different injury worries?

Well, $2.6M this year and next - compared to $4.5M for the next 3 - is one reason.

Not knowing what to do with 2 defensive spots between Pesce, Faulk, and CDH was another.

And then, yes, it’s possible they were worried about his shoulder(s). Do we know this, btw...that GMBC was worried about his injuries?

Point is, I think it was more than just injuries.

 

[w e l o s t b o y s]

Bidding war?

Who do you think the "teams who don't require Faulk waiving" are?
I'd have to guess Winnipeg, maybe Detroit?

 

[My Special Purpose]

I thought Dundon and the Storm Surge were going to make it impossible for us to get players to want to come here. We can't even get guys to *leave* when we try to trade them.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Who do you think the "teams who don't require Faulk waiving" are?
I'd have to guess Winnipeg, maybe Detroit?

If Faulk has Anaheim but not Winnipeg on his no-trade list...

 

[MinJaBen]

Anyone find it weird that we'd send out CDH because of injury worries but might take on Kase with different injury worries?

Not when you consider the upside of each.

 

[zman77]

 

[zman77]

 

[SlavinAway]

 

[Roboturner913]

Yeah I'm sorry... A contract that pays Faulk over $1m AAV more than any of our other defenders for any extended period of time is a big nopes from me. Especially when those other defenders are Slavin, Hamilton, Pesce, and Gardiner

Yeah, I don't think anybody thinks Faulk should be paid more than Slavin. Hell, I don't think Hamilton should be paid more than Slavin, but we acquired that contract in mid-stream. That's a big reason why I think Hamilton is gone when his contract is up, unless he's somehow willing to take one for the team. Maybe he will, you never know I guess.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Yeah, I don't think anybody thinks Faulk should be paid more than Slavin. Hell, I don't think Hamilton should be paid more than Slavin, but we acquired that contract in mid-stream. That's a big reason why I think Hamilton is gone when his contract is up, unless he's somehow willing to take one for the team. Maybe he will, you never know I guess.

If you buy the WAR stat and the Evolving Wild chart of the top 30 d-men over the past three seasons that has Pesce third and Gardiner sixth, Slavin/Hamilton is now our second pairing. And I agree, Hamilton is not getting $7 million from us. I think the hope is that Fleury, Bean and/or Priskie is ready for the top four by 2020-21. It's also possible we extend TvR and move him into the top four, but I think that's a lot less likely.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Slavin is signed for 6 more years on a great contract. That doesn’t mean every other signing has to be below Slavin for the next 6 years.

 

[Roboturner913]

Who do you think the "teams who don't require Faulk waiving" are?
I'd have to guess Winnipeg, maybe Detroit?

Minnesota would make sense, they have the cap room, they'd be adding strength to strength and Spurgeon is UFA next year. Jets could obviously use him. Vegas? Chicago, Dallas, St. Louis. If I was him those are teams I'd probably not mind being traded to anyway.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

If you buy the WAR stat and the Evolving Wild chart of the top 30 d-men over the past three seasons that has Pesce third and Gardiner sixth, Slavin/Hamilton is now our second pairing. And I agree, Hamilton is not getting $7 million from us. I think the hope is that Fleury, Bean and/or Priskie is ready for the top four by 2020-21. It's also possible we extend TvR and move him into the top four, but I think that's a lot less likely.

I think Hamilton either gets extended after the Expansion Draft or gets traded next off-season if they catch another post-Day 1 steal, which I don't expect but maybe could happen if the cap doesn't go up as quickly as expected.

 

[Negan4Coach]

If Faulk has Anaheim but not Winnipeg on his no-trade list...

Yeah I'm no fan of L.A. but I can't imagine a reality where Winnipeg or Detroit would be preferable

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Yeah I'm no fan of L.A. but I can't imagine a reality where Winnipeg or Detroit would be preferable

Winnipeg are still contenders even w/ their RFA drama, and their right side is basically just Byfuglien, Pionk, and a barren wasteland, so I could see them on Faulk's approved list.

 

[Moosetache]

Yeah, I don't think anybody thinks Faulk should be paid more than Slavin. Hell, I don't think Hamilton should be paid more than Slavin, but we acquired that contract in mid-stream. That's a big reason why I think Hamilton is gone when his contract is up, unless he's somehow willing to take one for the team. Maybe he will, you never know I guess.

I actually think this is a possibility considering how rocky things have been for him prior to coming here and how much fun he appeared to be having last year. Talk about a guy who hates the limelight.

 

[Roboturner913]

I actually think this is a possibility considering how rocky things have been for him prior to coming here and how much fun he appeared to be having last year. Talk about a guy who hates the limelight.

I hope so, according to my recent experience being somewhere somewhere you feel wanted, welcomed, comfortable and happy is worth way more than the best of pay raises.

 

[robbieberns]

If we see the Dougie we got after his finger healed last year for the entire year this time around, i’m sold on extending him, even if it’s 7-7.5 per. He was unplayable from Jan-March, and I think the position this team is in will give him a good platform to perform from day one. I’ve got a good feeling about the Hamilton we’re going to get this year, and I think this all parties involved feel like they’ve found a really good long term fit here.

 

[Lempo]

The way the team (evidently) framed the leak to Lebrun is that Faulk has a choice of Anaheim with an extension or someplace else without one.

But Faulk's agent probably isn't worried, since a team on his trade list will probably ask for (and receive) permission to discuss an extension before giving anything up for him. Unless they make it conditional ... so the team still has a little bit of leverage here.

Yeah, this whole post was pretty much just me thinking this through and typing at the same time. But I'm not deleting it.

I think it was reported days ago that Faulk's camp was allowed to discuss with "teams". I understood that to be a blanket pass to negotiate with any team, but I don't know. Canes prolly don't want him on a Metro team.

 

[emptyNedder]

If we see the Dougie we got after his finger healed last year for the entire year this time around, i’m sold on extending him, even if it’s 7-7.5 per.

His finger doesn't explain the other six October/Novembers of Dougie's career. In 81 games in November over his career he has 7 goals/29 points. In 81 games in February he has 20 goals/51 points.
For some reason Dougie is a slow starter. It is possible that he felt like an outsider on other teams and it took him 2-3 months to get comfortable. He appears much more at home on the Canes. If that is the case, Dougie might play the entire year well.
In any case, the bottom line is that he produced with a hurt finger last season almost identically to how he produced in six previous seasons.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

His finger doesn't explain the other six October/Novembers of Dougie's career. In 81 games in November over his career he has 7 goals/29 points. In 81 games in February he has 20 goals/51 points.
For some reason Dougie is a slow starter. It is possible that he felt like an outsider on other teams and it took him 2-3 months to get comfortable. He appears much more at home on the Canes. If that is the case, Dougie might play the entire year well.
In any case, the bottom line is that he produced with a hurt finger last season almost identically to how he produced in six previous seasons.

Simple solution. He needs to stop hurting his finger every off-season.

 

[SlavinAway]

Simple solution. He needs to stop hurting his finger every off-season.

Definitely keep him away from whatever cooking class Rask was going to last summer.

 

[NotOpie]

The reaction on here if this ended with Faulk signing an extension with the Canes would be legendary.

In a "vacuum" (rising to become my favorite phrase), I'd love to keep Faulk and extend him to something reasonable (5 years @ $6 million per maybe). But for all the reasons stated previously, it just doesn't appear to be in the cards.

Donnie Wads with the BDE move. Well-played. This will get done tonight.

By tonight you mean sometime after tomorrow morning....

I don't think it's fair to use long-term 2nd contracts coming out of entry-level as a benchmark for someone coming off of one of those deals. It took an extremely unfriendly market for Gardiner to sign for what he did. Hamilton may ask for twice as much as Pesce makes on a long-term deal next Summer a year away from UFA. That's not the way to evaluate it.

A raise for Faulk is fine, if they're getting a shorter commitment out of it, imo.

These guys, coming up for contracts, are going to get what the Carolina market will bear. Prior contracts may shed some light, but they're not going to dictate terms.

 

[Lempo]

In a "vacuum" (rising to become my favorite phrase), I'd love to keep Faulk and extend him to something reasonable (5 years @ $6 million per maybe). But for all the reasons stated previously, it just doesn't appear to be in the cards.

He wouldn't survive in vacuum. He'd burst, and his SPC terminate.

 

[NotOpie]

He wouldn't survive in vacuum. He'd burst, and his SPC terminate.

That's a type of "retirement", isn't it? So we'd still be on the hook for both his salary and cap hit...