Luke DeCock: Justin Faulk Speculation

[NotOpie]

Yes they're professionals and all....but "awkward"...

 

[SlavinAway]

The cap wouldn't have anything to do with a forward being part of the return. If you make a straight-up Faulk-Kase swap on CapFriendly, there's plenty of space available to stuff in all of our fourth-liners and have breathing room to expand the roster to 23 men.

I think they are alluding to there not being enough open roster spots vs it being a cap problem. Ideally you would have a Bishop or Saku in the box and not a $2m McGinn or Martinook. I think that would be a good problem to have for a team that is looking to contend though. There are always going to be injuries and having your 13th F be able to comfortably slot into the Top 9 is awesome.

Aho, Svech, TT, NN, Staal, Haula, Dzingel, Kase, Foegele, Necas, Wallmark, Martinook, and McGinn is in my opinion the best forward group we've ever had.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

The cap wouldn't have anything to do with a forward being part of the return. If you make a straight-up Faulk-Kase swap on CapFriendly, there's plenty of space available to stuff in all of our fourth-liners and have breathing room to expand the roster to 23 men.

Again, I could be wrong here, but I think you are glossing over having legit, highly paid (relative to their position) NHLrs in the pressbox on a rotating basis. I just don't see that working. So the "cap" comment to me is that why would you pay a forward $2M to basically play him only 2/3rds of the time on the 4th line in a rotation basis. We have depth in the AHL we can call upon should we need it, like we saw last year with the callups of McKegg, Maenalanen, Bishop, and Brown.

Martinook has played 4 full seasons in the NHL and is seen as a leader.
McGinn has played almost 3 full seasons in the NHL and is a favorite of Brindy.
Foegele forced his way onto the team last year at the expense of others, is loved by Brindy and is coming off a huge playoffs.
Wallmark established himself as a full time NHLr and is the only true C of the bunch.

Frankly, all 4 of those can make a case that they are 3rd liners and I just don't see a scenario where one of two or 3 of those guys are sitting 1/2 to 1/3rd of the season just for 4th line "depth" when we have Bishop, Gibbons, Gauthier, Kuokkanen, Geekie and (maybe Maenalenen) who can be called upon.

If Kase is added to the team, I expect either one of those guys is moved or Necas is sent down, which may not be the right call. Going to be interesting to see how it plays out.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

If we somehow get Kase, then get Ehlers...

This team would be a serious contender.

Except in order to get Kase and Ehlers, we'd have to deal 2 defensemen, and then we may not be a serious contender.

 

[FreshSeabass]

Get excited(well maybe)

 

[Chrispy]

BRB, filing a restraining order against Brad Malone.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I think they are alluding to there not being enough open roster spots vs it being a cap problem. Ideally you would have a Bishop or Saku in the box and not a $2m McGinn or Martinook. I think that would be a good problem to have for a team that is looking to contend though. There are always going to be injuries and having your 13th F be able to comfortably slot into the Top 9 is awesome.

Aho, Svech, TT, NN, Staal, Haula, Dzingel, Kase, Foegele, Necas, Wallmark, Martinook, and McGinn is in my opinion the best forward group we've ever had.

The 05/06 was better. From top to bottom, one of the better forward groups ever assembled in the cap era IMO.

Staal, Cole/Recchi, Stillman;
Brindy, Williams, Ladd
Weight, Cullen, Whitney
Adam, Larose, Adams
Vasicek

Granted, Recchi and Weight were mid season and deadline acquisitions, but the team basically gave away Radim Vrbata that year as well they were so deep. A lot of guys in their primes and having prime years.

Four 30G+ scorers
Seven 20G+ scorers (including Recchi) and Whitney had 17G in 63 games played.

Four 70+ point players (and Cole had 59 in 60 games played)
Eight 50+ point players (including Recchi and Weight) and Cullen had 49 in 78 games.

Staal-Brindy-Weight down the middle along with Cullen, Adams and Vasicek as other centers.

 

[GoldiFox]

Seems unlikely that Faulk would attend an optional skate with the team if he was waiving his NTC and accepting a trade to Anaheim. Getting a Canes practice in at the RCI would be pretty low on the priority list if he was preparing to move to the West Coast and be playing with Anaheim in the preseason one week from now.

 

[SlavinAway]

The 05/06 was better. From top to bottom, one of the better forward groups ever assembled in the cap era IMO.

Staal, Cole/Recchi, Stillman;
Brindy, Williams, Ladd
Weight, Cullen, Whitney
Adam, Larose, Adams
Vasicek

Granted, Recchi and Weight were mid season and deadline acquisitions, but the team basically gave away Radim Vrbata that year as well they were so deep. A lot of guys in their primes and having prime years.

Four 30G+ scorers
Seven 20G+ scorers (including Recchi) and Whitney had 17G in 63 games played.

Four 70+ point players (and Cole had 59 in 60 games played)
Eight 50+ point players (including Recchi and Weight) and Cullen had 49 in 78 games.

Staal-Brindy-Weight down the middle along with Cullen, Adams and Vasicek as other centers.

Fair enough. The 05/06 playoffs was the first time I ever watched hockey so sadly wasn't able to appreciate it.

The group I listed is miles ahead of any of the rosters we've iced since I have been following the team ha.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Fair enough. The 05/06 playoffs was the first time I ever watched hockey so sadly wasn't able to appreciate it.

The group I listed is miles ahead of any of the rosters we've iced since I have been following the team ha.

It's certainly the best and deepest we've had in quite a while. In years past, there were always a couple (and sometimes more) guys that probably weren't even NHLrs or barely NHLrs in the line-up.

 

[Lempo]

Seems unlikely that Faulk would attend an optional skate with the team if he was waiving his NTC and accepting a trade to Anaheim. Getting a Canes practice in at the RCI would be pretty low on the priority list if he was preparing to move to the West Coast and be playing with Anaheim in the preseason one week from now.

OR... he's saying bye to the guys where it matters.

 

[spockBokk]

 

[Navin R Slavin]

This is exactly right. If he's not getting the extension, then he might as well go UFA. He'd be an idiot to accept this trade without it.

 

[Lempo]

So is it that Fault doesn't feel he gets to properly showcase himself in the Ducks in his contract year and wants the big extension done now?

 

[Chrispy]

This is exactly right. If he's not getting the extension, then he might as well go UFA. He'd be an idiot to accept this trade without it.

I can certainly see pushing for an extension to go to a team that's less likely to make the playoffs, but Faulk playing out his UFA season on the third pairing in Carolina with Gardner taking on more PP minutes is not ideal for his next contract.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

If he doesn't accept this trade, he's quite likely to go to whomever on his 15-team list gives us the best package of prospects/picks, and in that scenario he won't have any choice or leverage at all. So he should absolutely use this as a mechanism to get his long-term deal now.

 

[geehaad]

He has leverage, and it makes sense to push for it.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

If he stays and TvR isn't dealt, he's not playing on the 3rd pair. Pesce will have to play the left side. Gardiner - Faulk doesn't make sense. Thus, Slavin - Hamilton, Pesce - Faulk and Gardiner - van Riemsdyk.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

If the Ducks are getting him, considering that they are not a contending team this year, I'm sure that they view him as part of the long-term core. I don't see an extension as too much of an obstacle in that regard considering that they have lots of cap space.

 

[Chrispy]

If he stays and TvR isn't dealt, he's not playing on the 3rd pair. Pesce will have to play the left side. Gardiner - Faulk doesn't make sense. Thus, Slavin - Hamilton, Pesce - Faulk and Gardiner - van Riemsdyk.

Once TVR is healthy I could see that.
To start the season?

Slavin-Hamilton
Gardiner-Pesce
Fleury-Faulk
Forsling

is more likely. Then comes the question of whether you move Faulk once TVR is healthy or break up Gardiner-Pesce.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

This is my bet for pairings this year:

With Faulk:

Slavin-Hamilton
Gardiner-Pesce
Fleury-Faulk
TVR

Without Faulk:

Slavin-Hamilton
Gardiner-Pesce
Fleury-TVR
Forsling or McKeown, depending on who wins the job in camp. Whoever loses the 7D job gets claimed by Ottawa or traded to another D-needy team.

 

[DaveG]

Seems unlikely that Faulk would attend an optional skate with the team if he was waiving his NTC and accepting a trade to Anaheim. Getting a Canes practice in at the RCI would be pretty low on the priority list if he was preparing to move to the West Coast and be playing with Anaheim in the preseason one week from now.

Flip side is he has an agent for a reason. Give them a framework to go for and otherwise proceed as business as usual until you hear they're close to an agreement.

 

[My Special Purpose]

ONDŘEJ KAŠE. THE GUY USING CAPS WANTS KAŠE.

Crap, that's right. Another Czech. Do Finns and Czechs get along?

Come on now guys do you want 919 area code numbers blocked by every other team in the league? Because this is how you get 919 numbers blocked by every other team in the league

Dundon hits 'em with the 281.

If (and it's still a big if) Kase is involved, I could see something like:

Faulk, Wallmark/McGinn and/or pick/prospect for Faulk+conditional picks. If Kase is added to the team, I can't see Roddy sitting McGinn, Martinook or Foegele. Sending Necas down to the AHL probably isn't the best thing for him either.

Without question, this has been the most entertaining off-season we've had, maybe in forever. On top of that, we had the 2nd best argument on these boards since the "meet me behind Bojangles" argument. Pure entertainment.

Just a week ago, you were worried we just sign McKeown and Maenalanen and be ready for the season. You doubted the GMBC. Have you learned your lesson?

I'll never say never, but they just signed Martinook and McGinn to $2M contracts and Roddy loves those guys, along with Foegele. All 3 of those guys could make a legit argument for being a 3rd liner and so I have a hard time seeing a plan of rotating them working.

My guess is that they're trade bait next off-season. It's good to have solid, reliable depth like them for a Cup push, so I'm sure that they'll hold them this year. The second year on McGinn and Martinook's deals make them easily flippable for picks when the time and offer is right. There are many, many teams out there who can't draft or develop depth to save their life (cough Edmonton)

If Kase is added to the team, I expect either one of those guys is moved or Necas is sent down, which may not be the right call. Going to be interesting to see how it plays out.

We could be loading up to make a big trade *this* summer. What if all the machinations are to make a serious run at Laine or Marner?

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Crap, that's right. Another Czech. Do Finns and Czechs get along?



Dundon hits 'em with the 281.



Just a week ago, you were worried we just sign McKeown and Maenalanen and be ready for the season. You doubted the GMBC. Have you learned your lesson?







We could be loading up to make a big trade *this* summer. What if all the machinations are to make a serious run at Laine or Marner?

Or, potentially, the Borg shocks the league and nabs Kyle Connor instead of Laine because they value analytics over handedness and no one's been focusing on him.

 

[My Special Purpose]

He has leverage, and it makes sense to push for it.

Right, but not a ton. There are still 15 teams to which he can be traded *without* an extension, so he can't push too hard. And with today's news that he's insisting on an extension, he's basically played all his cards. He has no issue with Anaheim if he's willing to sign an extension there, so he can ask nicely for an extension, but if he doesn't get it and rejects the trade, he's going somewhere else without an extension. One thing I know for sure, he won't be back.