Juraj Slafkovsky - Year Two

[LesCanadiens]

Caufield has plenty of praise across the league. Even Xhekaj. I think most fans want prospects to succeed but if they smell bust they become ruthless -- just like our fans are ruthless toward Lafrenière and Michkov and Wright and Nazar.


Can you name some?

I think his draft position doesn't matter any more, we can move on from it.

Really? This is easy. I'll give you 2, but there are many more.

Joe Thornton absolutely sucked his first 50 games. 7 points in 55 games. Looked like bambi on skates. Was manhandled almost every game finding himself on his ass most of the time. I think he turned out pretty good for his original team, don't you?

Owen Nolan looked like a clumsy, lumbering, low IQ player and only scored 13 points in his first 59 games. He too turned out just fine for his original team as well, no?

I intentionally selected them as they were both 1OA with size and both played their rookie seasons at 18yo. Slaf looked better and had a better ppg than both of them in his rookie season. And in Thorntons case, by a LOT.

Seriously, you question Habs fans for bashing Laf, Wright and others, but you consistently bash our own players and Habs posters who criticize other players to the point where it seems hypocritical. Wright is a special case. He was considered a "generational" prospect for years. One could argue that Laf was in the same boat. Slaf was always thought of as a project. And Hughes clearly said they're biding their time with him for a few years.

 

[SlafySZN]

you're right he did pass it right on the opponents tape last game so he does have passing accuracy, my bad

The horror, only player this happens to.

 

[Tabarouette]

bro I can't do this anymore, I can't hear the Joe Thornton argument for every jabroni we've ever had

 

[Jaynki]

Jake Allen: 42 GP - 15-24-3 3.55 GAA 0.891 SV%
Sam Montembeault: 40 GP: 16-19-3 3.42 GAA 0.901 SV%

These guys stink.

Old useless metrics tho.

Goals saved above expected is the new, modern data to evaluate goaltender.

It takes into account the amount of saves and the expectations of the shot the goaltender save.

GAA and SV% will also be a reflect of the team above the goaltender. xGSA will put every goaltender on the same playing field.

According to xGSA tho, these guy stink

 

[Mrb1p]

A pass to a player is a chance.

I guess using random, cherry picked occurence of a single sequence in a game is better to say anything than cold hard unbiased stats.

Do you actually believe that Slaf outchanced Caufield so far this year?

Answer this. From your eye test.

 

[Jaynki]

bro I can't do this anymore, I can't hear the Joe Thornton argument for every jabroni we've ever had

But Thornton was a jabroni during his career after 8 games in his 2nd season

Do you actually believe that Slaf outchanced Caufield so far this year?

Answer this. From your eye test.

5vs5 its possible.

Counting PP no.

Btw, i also have a brutal turnover from Caufield from last game from the eye test. Fwiw.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

that's putting a lot of words in my mouth. I just think posters are jumping to conclusions as usual


If you're saying he has no IQ, then he isn't a playmaker. Jesus read your own posts bud

Where did i say he has no IQ??? Please enlighten me.

 

[Tabarouette]

But Thornton was a jabroni duringin his career after 8 games in his 2nd season no?

yeah and he turned it around, because he's an outlier

it's cool to dream about it but the overwhelming majority of players who struggle in their first 2 seasons don't become Joe Thornton, yet every f***ing time every jabroni gets compared to Joe Thornton, it's so tiring

 

[Jaynki]

yeah and he turned it around, because he's an outlier

it's cool to dream about it but the overwhelming majority of players who struggle in their first 2 seasons don't become Joe Thornton, yet every f***ing time every jabroni gets compared to Joe Thornton, it's so tiring

Tage Thompson is an outlier.

Joe Thornton is a 1st overall pick who took time to figure it out. He is not an outlier. He simply took time to grow into his potential.

Also, nobody expect Slaf to put Thornton numbers. He is simply used as a reminder that Slafkovsky can turn it around too. There is a lot of players who sucked hard in their first 50 games who ended up having great career.

 

[yianik]

Slaf needs to shoot da puck. May take a garbage goal to get him going though.

 

[LesCanadiens]

bro I can't do this anymore, I can't hear the Joe Thornton argument for every jabroni we've ever had

Why not? ReHabs said to name "even one" player who followed that trajectory. So, just because you don't want to hear about Thornton doesn't mean it's not relevant. So we're supposed to just blindly bash Slaf and not discuss/debate facts that support an opposing view? Errrrr....OK. I can find many more similar comparisons. But I stand by the 2 I did find as good enough to make my point.

 

[Tabarouette]

Tage Thompson is an outlier.

Joe Thornton is a 1st overall pick who took time to figure it out. He is not an outlier. He simply took time to grow into his potential.

Also, nobody expect Slaf to put Thornton numbers. He is simply used as a reminder that Slafkovsky can turn it around too. There is a lot of players who sucked hard in their first 50 games who ended up having great career.

How many more 1st overall struggled as much as Slaf and turned it around?

Why aren't you comparing him to Yakupov? Even Yakupov produced way more tho

That's also a problem with the comparison game, nobody has sucked has much as Slaf at 1st overall since back when players still smoked on the bench

 

[River Meadow]

Not even sure he would dominate in juniors. He wouldn't be bad, but he wouldn't dominate. Certainly not the AHL. He's big, that's all he has that's above average. His shot is average. His strength is average. His skating is below average. His high end skill is average. Playmaking is average. He has no qualities that show he has the potential to be a dominant player at any level. It was a botched pick, nobody had him at 1st overall until a few weeks before the draft.

Ouch.

 

[cave troll]

Funny you mention that, because suzuki's rookie season is next year for slaf not this one

Yes I wrote at 20.
Also his rookie season was a jump straight from junior hockey to NHL. His first taste of pro hockey was NHL.
On the other hand, Slaf supposedly learn to play against big guys at early age. Did he? Definately not.
On that fabled Olympics where he "sealed" No1 spot, Sean Farrell at 19 had the best PPG in tournament.

 

[Mrb1p]

Why not? ReHabs said to name "even one" player who followed that trajectory. So, just because you don't want to hear about Thornton doesn't mean it's not relevant. So we're supposed to just blindly bash Slaf and not discuss/debate facts that support an opposing view? Errrrr....OK. I can find many more similar comparisons. But I stand by the 2 I did find as good enough to make my point.

Its relevant only if you agree that the 100 examples at the opposite of Thornton are as relevant.

Yes Nolan, Thornton and Hughes are success stories. On the other end of the spectrum theres hundreds of names you could name.

It means nothing for Slaf, as Joe Thornton means nothing for Slaf.

 

[Kairi Zaide]

Sorry for the bad qualities. Screenshot was at the beginning of last game.

Number via SportLogiq.

Also via sportlogiq :
8th in the league for puck battle won.
Doubled his puck touches from last season.

Also from sportlogiq :
Could have 5-6 more points if the chances he had, had been coverted at the expected rate.

Who is delusional?

I agree that the giveaways happen twice a game. Gotta also acknowledge that there is good scoring chance happening twice a game.

He has 6 on ice expected goals (all situations) this season and 4 on ice goals. Most additional points he'd be expected to have is 2. Not 5-6.

The statement from sportlogiq doesn't mention that those Anderson chances don't have a 100% conversion rate. They assume best case scenario to help fans cope. They'd have like 20% if I'm being overtly generous. Anderson has been an average finisher for years, so he's not expected to score above his own expected goals.

 

[Tabarouette]

Why not? ReHabs said to name "even one" player who followed that trajectory. So, just because you don't want to hear about Thornton doesn't mean it's not relevant. So we're supposed to just blindly bash Slaf and not discuss/debate facts that support an opposing view? Errrrr....OK. I can find many more similar comparisons. But I stand by the 2 I did find as good enough to make my point.

You don't have to blindly bash him, you can open your eyes and still bash him because of what you're seeing lmaoo

 

[Jaynki]

How many more 1st overall struggled as much as Slaf and turned it around?

Why aren't you comparing him to Yakupov? Even Yakupov produced way more tho

That's also a problem with the comparison game, nobody has sucked has much as Slaf at 1st overall since back when players still smoked on the bench

I compared him a lot to Yakupov, and Galchenyuk, and Lafreniere, and Stutzle, and Byfield, KK, Draisaitl, Rantanen etc.

There is two things i thought were evident :

1) We can't extrapolate the outcome of a career, whatever the performance in a first season in the NHL at 18YO.

2) The most important things is meaningful progression between the 1st season and the 2nd season. That is what distinguished those who made it to those who busted. Galchenyuk/Yakupov has has better D+1 than players like Draisaitl and Jack Hughes. But the two latter had meaningful growth whereas yakupov and galchenyuk stagnated.

I think right now Slafkovksy is showing progression and improvement, but i am personally still on my appetite and i would like to see more to give full confidence. Its only 8 games tho.

 

[LesCanadiens]

Its relevant only if you agree that the 100 examples at the opposite of Thornton are as relevant.

Yes Nolan, Thornton and Hughes are success stories. On the other end of the spectrum theres hundreds of names you could name.

It means nothing for Slaf, as Joe Thornton means nothing for Slaf.

It was in response to an absolutely ridiculous and FALSE statement. However, it is still relevant. As since the beginning of time, big forwards usually take longer to come into their own. And add to that, big forwards playing in NA for the first time. This is more the norm than what you're saying.

 

[cave troll]

Also from sportlogiq :
Could have 5-6 more points if the chances he had, had been coverted at the expected rate.

Who is delusional?

You do realize that this applies to every hockey player in our team who passed to his teammate in goal chance?
Well, I have news for you. Goalies saves 90% of shots and many more shots end up wide of the net.

 

[Jaynki]

He has 6 on ice expected goals (all situations) this season and 4 on ice goals. Most additional points he'd be expected to have is 2. Not 5-6.

The statement from sportlogiq doesn't mention that those Anderson chances don't have a 100% conversion rate. They assume best case scenario to help fans cope. They'd have like 20% if I'm being overtly generous. Anderson has been an average finisher for years, so he's not expected to score above his own expected goals.

I disliked this argument from the SportLogiq guy too and i think its very futile. Still, those two point would probably go a long way into giving a better perception of Slaf play.

You do realize that this applies to every hockey player in our team who passed to his teammate in goal chance?
Well, I have news for you. Goalies saves 90% of shots and many more shots end up wide of the net.

Yes, that is not an argument i like, but the fact is he had scoring chances despite being unproductive. He also had many giveaways and bad plays. Improve the latter, the former will shine brighter.

 

[Tabarouette]

TVA Sport had to pull out the sportlogiq stuff because he was on the star cam on Saturday and they literally only showed him losing the puck and losing battles

 

[LesCanadiens]

You don't have to blindly bash him, you can open your eyes and still bash him because of what you're seeing lmaoo

So, only what YOU see is right? Ok...Tabarouette on HFB sees something MSL doesn't.

 

[Tabarouette]

So, only what YOU see is right? Ok...Tabarouette on HFB sees something MSL doesn't.

are you seeing MSL play him more? he benched his ass for most of the 3rd last game and won't give him a shot on the first line because he absolutely doesn't deserve one???

 

[Mrb1p]

So, only what YOU see is right? Ok...Tabarouette on HFB sees something MSL doesn't.

Bro we all see the same thing. Some people just like to justify the suckage because hes a Hab.