Juraj Slafkovsky - Year Two

[Mrb1p]

I'm actually surprised he isn't getting ripped more than he is on the main boards, its pretty tame in there. I guess even rival and neutral fans are slightly curious about how big and heavy he is and if he's just gonna take more time than the average guy

Hes not getting roasted more because hes an afterthought. Its assumed he wont amount to anything substantial, and if he does its gonna be at 25 for a few years.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I'm actually surprised he isn't getting ripped more than he is on the main boards, its pretty tame in there. I guess even rival and neutral fans are slightly curious about how big and heavy he is and if he's just gonna take more time than the average guy

There's still the usual onslaught of hot takes at the start of the thread, but most comments afterward are level headed.

Slaf wasn't the most popular pick in here, so it's kinda normal he gets roasted in both forums.

 

[Tabarouette]

at 25 he's going to be having a 2 points night every 3 weeks with the Coyotes and people will create threads on here to go "SEE?! HE WAS GOOD ALL ALONG".
Don't make me pull up the Sekac posts from the dark depths of this forum

 

[Habssince89]

???
When did that happen?
All three made an immediate impact the moment they started to play for Habs.

There absolutely were "fans" who wrote off all three for either a lack of production or injury prone. Look how quickly posters are treating Dach like his career is over. Now we're seeing the inpatience and the doubling down of hot (ie wrong) takes regarding Slaf and his supposed lack of IQ.

If we don't get immediate results it's full on press to hyperbole our way into this kind of nonsense

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Disagree. His hesitation is a result of a lack of experience, but he's clearly demonstrated he can pass and find teammates. Vision and IQ are the last thing you should be concerned about. It's a bizarre narrative to criticize (of all things) his playmaking

I didn't critic his playmaking. Maybe you should re-read before posting. Slaf hesitates a lot and that's sign of someone out of pace. Most young high draftees will make similar passes and those aren't a sign of great playmaking either.

 

[Mrb1p]

Disagree. His hesitation is a result of a lack of experience, but he's clearly demonstrated he can pass and find teammates. Vision and IQ are the last thing you should be concerned about. It's a bizarre narrative to criticize (of all things) his playmaking

Its been his biggest concern going back to predraft? Its literally the main concern every experienced coached with adequate viewings of Slafkovsky has had.

Nobodys doubting his physical package, he can shoot it, he can skate, hes big, hes strong, his effort is good.

The amount of time he doesnt make the right play has been outstanding since his D-2. Yes, he can make nice passes, every player can, even Anderson, heck even Drouin made a career out of this. In his draft and d+1 he had one play, hed head up the wing, hed cut back and hed blindly throw it down the middle. That's not IQ. Thats just not knowing what to do and going with the easy play.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Hes not getting roasted more because hes an afterthought. Its assumed he wont amount to anything substantial, and if he does its gonna be at 25 for a few years.

i mean i have zero problems with him only being good at 23-24 or 25 the issue is having him in the NHL until then , thats a mess

 

[Tabarouette]

[...] but he's clearly demonstrated he can pass and find teammates [...]

that's the bizarre take really when he absolutely hasn't, random flashes don't mean much

 

[Jaynki]

Caufield has plenty of praise across the league. Even Xhekaj. I think most fans want prospects to succeed but if they smell bust they become ruthless -- just like our fans are ruthless toward Lafrenière and Michkov and Wright and Nazar.


Can you name some?

I think his draft position doesn't matter any more, we can move on from it.

Agree for your first. We are ruthless. I just think that we might be a tad too fast to label someone bust right now.

Also, yes i can name some, but you will go back to the argument that they had bigger pedigree than Slaf even if its not necessarily accurate. Hughes, Lecavalier, Thornton, Draisaitl, are all players that struggled mightily in their debut.

Dubois started his D+2 with 2g 3a in 25 games. He ended it with 43 points in the remaining 57 games.

I am mixed with Slafkovsky. On one hand he had a plethora of good chances that could have translated into points. I think he may be on the verge of breaking out. On the other hand, i feel he is fragile and the way he is behaving on the ice suggest timidty, like when he was uncovered on the slot and he passed it instead of ripping a wrister. I think the unproductivity might become a real hurdle if it were to stay.

I also think we should move on from his draft position. The faster we acknowledge he is not of a your typical 1st overall pick value, the better we will be to focus on the player individually and his progression. He is still a blue chip prospect.

???
When did that happen?
All three made an immediate impact the moment they started to play for Habs.

When Caufield had 1g in 30 games it was not pretty.

Guhle the boards was in shamble when we drafted him insted of Hendrix Lapierre or Dawson Mercer, since we had drafted another defensive defenseman with 2nd pairing potential. (Replace Guhle with Reinbacher and Lapierre with Michkov.)

Suzuki was not seen in pretty glasses after his 1st training camp.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

There absolutely were "fans" who wrote off all three for either a lack of production or injury prone. Look how quickly posters are treating Dach like his career is over. Now we're seeing the inpatience and the doubling down of hot (ie wrong) takes regarding Slaf and his supposed lack of IQ.

If we don't get immediate results it's full on press to hyperbole our way into this kind of nonsense

Yeah, hyperbole is also when you equate a few passes to great playmaking. Any signs of progress, even the smallest ones, are being extrapolated to mean future star. You're on the same boat, just the other side of it.

 

[Jaynki]

Suuzki's rookie season at 20 was 41 pts in 71 game. That's the number we'd like from Slaf aged 25.

Ehhh, if he is a 40 points player by age 25, it would be a total bust lets be honest.

 

[SlafySZN]

that's the bizarre take really when he absolutely hasn't, random flashes don't mean much

Yes, he has.

 

[Tabarouette]

Yes, he has.

you're right he did pass it right on the opponents tape last game so he does have passing accuracy, my bad

 

[Mrb1p]

i mean i have zero problems with him only being good at 23-24 or 25 the issue is having him in the NHL until then , thats a mess

Same

 

[waffledave]

It hurts even more that the staff kept playing Montembeault instead of tanking with primeau and played Suzuki 25 mins a game to assure us to finish bottom 3. Lack of vision

Playing Montembeault is tanking.

 

[Mrb1p]

We went through this with Drouin for 10 years. Random plays are not the norm until they are.

 

[Jaynki]

We went through this with Drouin for 10 years. Random plays are not the norm until they are.

There is two side to this coin tho.

Slafkovksy is 1st for scoring chances in the offensive cycle on the team. Admitedly tho, the team have generated most of the scoring chances through offensive rush.

Still, considering this data, isn't it the giveaways the random occurence?

Personally, i don't think his many offensive flashes have been random occurence, nor the bad plays too. He has to be more assertive and he has to stop the brain fart. This type of inchworm improvement will make him consistent.

 

[Mrb1p]

There is two side to this coin tho.

Slafkovksy is 1st for scoring chances in the offensive cycle on the team. Admitedly tho, the team have generated most of the scoring chances through offensive rush.

Still, considering this data, isn't it the giveaways the random occurence?

Personally, i don't think his many offensive flashes have been random occurence, nor the bad plays too. He has to be more assertive and he has to stop the brain fart. This type of inchworm improvement will make him consistent.

Random occurence? Mf it happens twice a game. Thats not random.

And where the f does that 1st in scoring chances come from? How can you be first in scoring chances and have 7 shots in 9 games? Bros delusional.

 

[RationalExpectations]

did you even watch last years games? montembeault and allen are the goalie combo that stole the most games among all the NHL

They stole Bedard from us ! They stole him !!!!

 

[Jaynki]

Random occurence? Mf it happens twice a game. Thats not random.

And where the f does that 1st in scoring chances come from? How can you be first in scoring chances and have 7 shots in 9 games? Bros delusional.

Sorry for the bad qualities. Screenshot was at the beginning of last game.

Number via SportLogiq.

Also via sportlogiq :
8th in the league for puck battle won.
Doubled his puck touches from last season.

Also from sportlogiq :
Could have 5-6 more points if the chances he had, had been coverted at the expected rate.

Who is delusional?

I agree that the giveaways happen twice a game. Gotta also acknowledge that there is good scoring chance happening twice a game.

 

[Habssince89]

Yeah, hyperbole is also when you equate a few passes to great playmaking. Any signs of progress, even the smallest ones, are being extrapolated to mean future star. You're on the same boat, just the other side of it.

that's putting a lot of words in my mouth. I just think posters are jumping to conclusions as usual

I didn't critic his playmaking. Maybe you should re-read before posting. Slaf hesitates a lot and that's sign of someone out of pace. Most young high draftees will make similar passes and those aren't a sign of great playmaking either.

If you're saying he has no IQ, then he isn't a playmaker. Jesus read your own posts bud

 

[Mrb1p]

Sorry for the bad qualities.

Number via SportLogiq.

Also via sportlogiq :
8th in the league for puck battle won.
Doubled his puck touches from last season.

Also from sportlogiq :
Could have 5-6 more points if the chances he had had been coverted at the expected rate.

Who is delusional?

I agree that the giveaways happen twice a game. Gotta also acknowledge that there is good scoring chance happening twice a game.

Ah yes, random stats that can be used to say anything. Lmao.

He has 10 chances but less shots on net.

 

[waffledave]

did you even watch last years games? montembeault and allen are the goalie combo that stole the most games among all the NHL

Jake Allen: 42 GP - 15-24-3 3.55 GAA 0.891 SV%
Sam Montembeault: 40 GP: 16-19-3 3.42 GAA 0.901 SV%

These guys stink.

 

[Jaynki]

Ah yes, random stats that can be used to say anything. Lmao.

He has 10 chances but less shots on net.

A pass to a player is a chance.

I guess using random, cherry picked occurence of a single sequence in a game is better to say anything than cold hard unbiased stats.

 

[admiralcadillac]

Ah yes, random stats that can be used to say anything. Lmao.

He has 10 chances but less shots on net.

Are random stats not also part of your argument? Outside of last game he’s looked fine and has clearly generated scoring chances.