Post-Game Talk: JUMP TO THE PUMP: Jets have gas in 5-2 win over Sabres

[GeorgeJETson]

If the Jets keep winning like this, I might start experiencing

 

[Mud Turtle]

Couldn’t make it out. What did he say?

 

[Snowboy]

We are starting to see some real nice balance on this team and a lot of unselfish play. Keep it up boys!

Agree.....by the end of the season, we may have about seven unselfish players with over 20 goals. That's good balance going into the playoffs.

Seriously what the f*** do they see in Iafallo

Give Barron a second line shot. I didn't love him in the top 6 last year but 10 goals 99% of the time as a 4th liner is pretty damn good. Has size and more speed than Iafallo too. He deserves a look.

i think they see a very good hockey player in Iafallo, as do I.

 

[Atoyot]

I'm just trying to understand the org's position on him, because it was also PoMo before Bones

It seems intuitive to play him up there, but it doesn't happen commonly... to me, that means one of two things:

1. The org knows something we don't know
Or
2. We know something the org doesn't know

#1 seems way more likely. They spend all day, every day around these guys, see every shift, every practice, every medical report, every trip to the trainer's room, etc... plus they have every publicly available stat that we have AND whatever proprietary shit they pay for but we don't see

It just seems like the more logical conclusion

Or, "both coaches have a playstyle that they want to see from their team, and Ehlers doesn't fit that playstyle".

 

[scelaton]

True but everyone has their favorites and coaches can have blind spots. Look no further the JoMo under Mauroce vs. Under Bowness.

Also I think it's much more in how Fly plays then his impact. Both Maurice and Bones have referenced things in his game that they don't like.

Happens all the the time in the real world and the hockey world is getting more prone to inefficiency because coaches don't know how to handle the information load as well.

Inefficient Markets and Behavioural Finance
In his book “Misbehaving,” the 2017 Nobel Prize winner and champion of behavioral economics, Professor Richard H. Thaler, suggests that humans are prone to error; they are occasionally irrational. And even worse, they are behavioral biased. Therefore, a market cannot always be efficient.

 

[surixon]

Or, "both coaches have a playstyle that they want to see from their team, and Ehlers doesn't fit that playstyle".

Yup, the only exception this team has ever made was for Buff. He was pretty much allowed to rove and do what he wanted.

 

[Thechozen1]

we need to find a rw to play with scheif/connor that can do the little things but still put up solid production then run
connor-scheif-trade
ehlers-monahan-vilardi

TOFFOLI please!!!!

 

[Jack7222]

Ken Wiebe asked Rick Bowness what led to demoting Ehlers and promoting Namesntikov.
Bowness: "When I don't like what I see, then I make that change. Simple as that."
Bowness went on to say he likes Ehlers more at LW than RW and that he can play Namestnikov anywhere.

so not to 'balance the lines' then.

 

[surixon]

Happens all the the time in the real world and the hockey world is getting more prone to inefficiency because coaches don't know how to handle the information load as well.

Inefficient Markets and Behavioural Finance
In his book “Misbehaving,” the 2017 Nobel Prize winner and champion of behavioral economics, Professor Richard H. Thaler, suggests that humans are prone to error; they are occasionally irrational. And even worse, they are behavioral biased. Therefore, a market cannot always be efficient.

Yup. All these coaches while experts still have their own belief paradigms and biases on how things should be done. They will gravitate more towards players that better fit their belief system and be less trustful of those that deviate from it. Look at Namestnikov for a player that perfectly fits what Bones wants and gets a much larger role here then he had anywhere else.

 

[ThinIce61]

TOFFOLI please!!!!

Toffifee? No thanks. I'm more of a Pot of Gold person.

 

[surixon]

so not to 'balance the lines' then.

Yup, why speculate when the coach gives you a straight answer.

 

[Thechozen1]

Buchnevich is very good. Not a bad contract at all.

Yes, just not enough term to validate moving Perfetti. Would look pretty bad if he walked after next season.

 

[Mud Turtle]

Yup, the only exception this team has ever made was for Buff. He was pretty much allowed to rove and do what he wanted.

I would argue that Connor is an exception as well. There are no consequences for his no contact game.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Or, "both coaches have a playstyle that they want to see from their team, and Ehlers doesn't fit that playstyle".

It goes further than that. I don’t know if Chevy prefers coaches who prefer that playing style.

 

[Mud Turtle]

Yup. All these coaches while experts still have their own belief paradigms and biases on how things should be done. They will gravitate more towards players that better fit their belief system and be less trustful of those that deviate from it. Look at Namestnikov for a player that perfectly fits what Bones wants and gets a much larger role here then he had anywhere else.

You can have all the reliable players you want, but he has to realize that we still need play drivers on the team. Ehlers is exactly that. Yes he might make the odd bad pass and cough up the puck, but that’s because he’s trying to drive the play forward. He often makes up for it by backchecking really hard on his own mistakes. I don’t think the coaches give him enough credit for that.

 

[surixon]

I would argue that Connor is an exception as well. There are no consequences for his no contact game.

You can have all the reliable players you want, but he has to realize that we still need play drivers on the team. Ehlers is exactly that. Yes he might make the odd bad pass and cough up the puck, but that’s because he’s trying to drive the play forward. He often makes up for it by backchecking really hard on his own mistakes. I don’t think the coaches give him enough credit for that.

I agree, but Bones just can't seem to get past the level of risk in his game in certain spots. He really doesn't like those diagonal passes that Nik likes to make at the oppositions blue line. This isn't the first game he's been dropped down the lineup after a couple of those passes.

 

[LowLefty]

I'd be more inclined to buy the balance argument if it lead to balanced minutes. We have a coach that runs his top line a third of the game and then third line that gets the next most minutes. Given we deploy the top line to the extent we do it makes more sense to me to optimize the line you have on the ice the most and then arrange the other pieces as you can. It will make more of an impact to have a much stronger 1st line and a weaker second line then it will to have a stronger second line and a weaker first line given current deployment.

We talk a lot about balanced line ups around here - and I didn't say ours was balanced - then again, ,we all have our opinions on what a balanced line up look like.
It's more about what we ask for (balance) that flies in the face of the theory that the best players should all get the top minutes.
If a balanced line up is the goal (regardless if we are there right now), you'll be spreading the talent. And if that is the case, there will be a few of them that feel under utilized, or put in a position where they can't maximize their worth (contract wise).

 

[Jet]

Even if we go .500 for the rest of the season we still break 100 points.

Wild.

 

[Buffdog]

Or, "both coaches have a playstyle that they want to see from their team, and Ehlers doesn't fit that playstyle".

Which would fall under #1

 

[Hobble]

so not to 'balance the lines' then.

Bones saw 5 goals in one period, and thought, “naw, man. That ain’t right”

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Two days in a row of only playing in the third period is a lot like when I was writing my university papers the week before they were due. It ain’t pretty, but it somehow works.

They saved all their scoring for the 3rd periods but they played well start to finish both games.

 

[snowkiddin]

Power has been out since 1:30. Listened to Paul Edmonds on the radio for the whole game. Do not recommend. I've never been more stressed out. My hands are in a permanent claw formation.

How did we look?

What the hell are you doing here? I thought you only tune in after losses

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

I would argue that Connor is an exception as well. There are no consequences for his no contact game.

Lady byng

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Fraud t-shirt time.

White ones.

 

[Jetsfan79]

Jets have found their B+ game. Not playing like they did in the 1st half but considerably playing better than the post all Star break slide. If they maintain this rest of the way , 600 or better should be achievable down the stretch . Hopefully they can find their A+ game for the playoffs.