Post-Game Talk: JUMP TO THE PUMP: Jets have gas in 5-2 win over Sabres

[Buffdog]

Yup ... that's when we will find out the answer if Ehlers is unhappy being demoted all the time or he doesn't mind it as long as the team is winning.

Maybe ehlers will value being a smaller part of something big here instead of being a bigger part of something small elsewhere

Time will tell

 

[gojetsgo]

 

[MardyBum]

We need two scoring lines Vilardi once again threw a wrench into that so moving Ehlers down to the second line does work especially cause Vladdy fits in on the top line.

He fit so well they needed to take him off last game! Always the untouchable mid duo.

 

[Atoyot]

Yeah and both are older inferior players with bad contracts.

It cost us a pair of 2nds for Niederreiter. Smith is a worse player with a worse contract then Nino.

In no universe do you have to part with an asset like Cole for him.

We could have him for a third but we won't want him because we can't fit a $5 million middle 6 player on this team next year.

If you are dealing Cole it's in a package to try to land Brady Tkachuk. A true first line power forward with term

Buchnevich is very good. Not a bad contract at all.

 

[Keystone]

If Bones is moving Ehlers to get him on his LW, I’d say he definitely grinds his teeth over the backhand hope passes. Understandable.

 

[surixon]

Buchnevich is very good. Not a bad contract at all.

Yeah, I mistook him for someone else. But it's bad in that it's only for one more year before he's a UFA and can walk. Plus he has a NTC so likely won't waive to come here anyhow.

 

[Buffdog]

Yeah, I mistook him for someone else. But it's bad in that it's only for one more year before he's a UFA and can walk. Plus he has a NTC so likely won't waive to come here anyhow.

I don't see trading years of Perfetti for one and a bit of anyone

 

[DRW204]

We need two scoring lines Vilardi once again threw a wrench into that so moving Ehlers down to the second line does work especially cause Vladdy fits in on the top line.

I don't mind this logic but for once why not try Connor on the second line instead. ehlers and schiefele have performed at a high rate with or w/o Connor

Connor's best year individually came away from scheifele.

One of Connor's best performances in net-goals came away from scheifele.

I'd like to see
Ehlers-scheifele-Names
Connor-Monahan-Barron/Perfetti

 

[JetsFan815]

Andrew Copp: 10 goals playing 2nd line mins with PP time

Morgan Barron: 10 goals with 4th line mins and no PP time

@JetsFan815 doesn't give a shit if the coach makes a move and the team wins, it's still the wrong move if he doesn't like it or has a number or a chart to back up his position. Anyone disagreeing with him is a dinosaur

I never called the coach or anyone else a "dinosaur"

 

[Hobble]

Bones’ second intermission pep talk:

 

[gojetsgo]

 

[bustamente]

I don't mind this logic but for once why not try Connor on the second line instead. ehlers and schiefele have performed at a high rate with or w/o Connor

Connor's best year individually came away from scheifele.

One of Connor's best performances in net-goals came away from scheifele.

I'd like to see
Ehlers-scheifele-Names
Connor-Monahan-Barron/Perfetti

Apparently Fefe and KFC are stapled at the hip, that seems to be a no go

 

[jetsforever]

Back to back comeback wins, can't ask for much more!

 

[surixon]

I don't see trading years of Perfetti for one and a bit of anyone

I doubt he's on the market at all. Chevy is probably happy that he can likely get him back for a Lafreniere type bridge instead of a Zegras type bridge.

Top 6 play at $2.5 million aav is the type of bargain Gms of cap teams salvate over.

It's amazing that people tend to forget about the cap and the value of good players on bridge deals.

Tampa doesn't sniff their two cups without all that top end young talent making well below market value on bridge contracts.

 

[jetsforever]

If Bones would just run Connor-Scheifele-Ehlers blindly for the rest of the season, I am confident it would work out pretty well.

 

[Atoyot]

I think the org sees him as most valuable playing on a dominant 2nd line vs soft matchups... Lowry and Schief will always draw the other team's top lines, which leaves Ehlers free to feast on 3rd and 4th lines

I'm also not sold on Ehlers' durability playing top line minutes vs other teams top D pairs every game

Despite the fact that he's performed as well as anybody while playing on the top line?

 

[scelaton]

Morrissey just passed 50 points and is about to crush Byfuglien's best seasons' offensive stats for the second year in a row, while being much more reliable in his defensive game.

Yes, he is that good.

 

[DRW204]

Apparently Fefe and KFC are stapled at the hip, that seems to be a no go

Oh yeah. It's always seems to be others getting demoted or blamed for GA.

 

[surixon]

In order to balance a lineup, you'll likely always have players on a line that could play higher up the lineup -
If we forget about balance and let the best players play top line minutes so that they can pad their paycheck, you can throw the whole philosophy of a balanced lines up out the window.

I think this org is very much aware of what Ehlers is worth and will do all they can to sign him to a contract that makes everyone happy -
You can believe what you want but I don't think for a minute, that this org is sandbagging his career - they see his value.

That might not translate to top line minutes - but it might be the best way to use him. Fans, the media, and anyone who has ever held a hockey stick, will chime in with their 2 cents on how to best use this player - that will never go away and Bones couldn't care less. He has a team to coach and is doing a bang up job based on where this team sits right now and including a couple of recent, exceptional come back games.

I'd be more inclined to buy the balance argument if it lead to balanced minutes. We have a coach that runs his top line a third of the game and then third line that gets the next most minutes. Given we deploy the top line to the extent we do it makes more sense to me to optimize the line you have on the ice the most and then arrange the other pieces as you can. It will make more of an impact to have a much stronger 1st line and a weaker second line then it will to have a stronger second line and a weaker first line given current deployment.

 

[WpgSteve]

I think the org sees him as most valuable playing on a dominant 2nd line vs soft matchups... Lowry and Schief will always draw the other team's top lines, which leaves Ehlers free to feast on 3rd and 4th lines

I'm also not sold on Ehlers' durability playing top line minutes vs other teams top D pairs every game

I agree. Reporters who know nothing read into it and speculate for clicks, but I think there are good reasons Ehlers gets the minutes he gets. The fact that 2 coaches have managed him the same way says something. Ehlers has never seemed unhappy and as far as I can recall has never been benched. I think he does better in limited minutes.

 

[Buffdog]

Despite the fact that he's performed as well as anybody while playing on the top line?

I'm just trying to understand the org's position on him, because it was also PoMo before Bones

It seems intuitive to play him up there, but it doesn't happen commonly... to me, that means one of two things:

1. The org knows something we don't know
Or
2. We know something the org doesn't know

#1 seems way more likely. They spend all day, every day around these guys, see every shift, every practice, every medical report, every trip to the trainer's room, etc... plus they have every publicly available stat that we have AND whatever proprietary shit they pay for but we don't see

It just seems like the more logical conclusion

 

[surixon]

Morrissey just passed 50 points and is about to crush Byfuglien's best seasons' offensive stats for the second year in a row, while being much more reliable in his defensive game.

Yes, he is that good.

He's better then Buff and that is saying something. He will be in the Norris conversation for a second straight year and at $6 million aav to boot. Can't get more value then that.

 

[ThinIce61]

And the type of player with term we'd deal him for won't be available at the deadline for one, and two we won't have the cap space to add said player.

People forget how important young players on team controlled cheap deals are for teams at the cap ceiling.

Especially if we want to do something like I don't know, try to entice Monahan to sign a deal here. Right now we are looking at having about $14M next season for 4 UFA's and 3 RFA's and that isn't including Tiny Heiny.
I'm sure Chevy wants DeMelo & Dillon back next season and I'd love to see LB come back but he may want and could get starters money somewhere. Stanley we likely walk away from if we can't trade.
Perfetti and Gus likely get deals, I hope Chevy can get the Perfetti camp to take a bridge deal and Heinola won't break the bank. But if we can entice Monohan to sign then we need to move some bodies out, unless the roster makeup changes with the upcoming trade deadline.

Appleton, Schmidt or Pionk(not both unless we are signing some veteran D) and then maybe Iafallo are the names I would be trying to move.

 

[surixon]

I'm just trying to understand the org's position on him, because it was also PoMo before Bones

It seems intuitive to play him up there, but it doesn't happen commonly... to me, that means one of two things:

1. The org knows something we don't know
Or
2. We know something the org doesn't know

#1 seems way more likely. They spend all day, every day around these guys, see every shift, every practice, every medical report, every trip to the trainer's room, etc... plus they have every publicly available stat that we have AND whatever proprietary shit they pay for but we don't see

It just seems like the more logical conclusion

True but everyone has their favorites and coaches can have blind spots. Look no further the JoMo under Mauroce vs. Under Bowness.

Also I think it's much more in how Fly plays then his impact. Both Maurice and Bones have referenced things in his game that they don't like.

Especially if we want to do something like I don't know, try to entice Monahan to sign a deal here. Right now we are looking at having about $14M next season for 4 UFA's and 3 RFA's and that isn't including Tiny Heiny.
I'm sure Chevy wants DeMelo & Dillon back next season and I'd love to see LB come back but he may want and could get starters money somewhere. Stanley we likely walk away from if we can't trade.
Perfetti and Gus likely get deals, I hope Chevy can get the Perfetti camp to take a bridge deal and Heinola won't break the bank. But if we can entice Monohan to sign then we need to move some bodies out, unless the roster makeup changes with the upcoming trade deadline.

Appleton, Schmidt or Pionk(not both unless we are signing some veteran D) and then maybe Iafallo are the names I would be trying to move.

It won't be a tough sell on a bridge for Cole given the slump and current usage. He'd be silly to sign long term until he has a couple big offensive years.

 

[Thechozen1]

Both Buchnevich and Smith have term.

Not nearly enough for a player like Perfetti.