July 1st - Free Agent Extravaganza Part III

[Hire Sather]

You know where you get that extra $1.5m? You don't sign Tanner Glass. You don't take it away from your superstar goalie. You make smarter decisions elsewhere in the lineup.

You sign your RFA's with limited leverage to bridge deals, as Sather has done time and time again. You don't overpay UFAs you don't think fit your system anymore, as Sather has done.

You don't look at your top player's contract and say: "damn, wish we could hedge a few million off off that to save some space".

Think paying Hank $8.5 AAV is one of the least things we have as fans to complain about the Rangers for. But that's me. To each their own.

We can all bash the Glass deal, and the fact that Sather doesn't always make the best depth signings, but that really has nothing to do with me wishing Hank took a Marty-type discount.

 

[BlueshirtBlitz]

Wonder how Loktionov would look next to Zucc and Brassard.

I think Loktionov would be a good addition to the bottom six, but i'd want him with a more defensive C.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Don't understand all the Glass hate here. He was pretty important to AV when he was in Vancouver. He's going to become a fan favorite, too.

I reckon he'll have a similar impact on this group of guys as Rupp had. He's not fast. Not slow. He has average speed. Can kill penalties. Can stay on his feet when forechecking. And will stick up for team mates.

1.45 for a player that can easily be shipped out for a conditional 7th (worst case scenario)... it's not a bad deal whatsoever.

That 1.45 is inflated because of the projected increase in cap next year and the year after.

It'll be comparable to a 1 mill contract in 2 years. It's fair value.

Now if we can get Winnik or Ott for 1.5 or less for 2 years... I'd be ecstatic. Our 4th line would be better, if you can imagine that.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

A prospect will get a top 9 start.

Miller will be with MSL and Hagelin.

The other guy will be with Zucc and Brass.

Kristo, Fast, Duclair, Haggerty.

One of those 4.

Maybe even Buchnevich if he's willing to come over.

We will fill that in house, and I think it'll be more than fine.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

Tanner Glass is the problem?

The real problem is paying Zuccarello $4M to be a 3rd line right winger. How many teams have a $4M player on their 3rd line? The Rangers have Nash at $7.8M and St.Louis at $5.625M.

People complain about the Rangers not having a 2nd line center. The Rangers are paying that player and paying Brassard $4M to be the 3rd line center? That's why Richards isn't here anymore. That and the recapture.

Zuccarello was at $1.15M and Brassard had a $3.2M cap hit. His salary was $3.7M. Both of them are one year away from group III. They will get paid.

The cap is $69M.

Wow.

Zuccarello was our leading scorer last season.

The ~4M number is on a multi-year deal which eats UFA years, and I'm willing to bet Zucc takes closer to 3.5 than 4.

IMO, he will be in our top-6 as he can play both sides.

Zucc, Nash, MSL, Kreider should be the top-6 wingers.

Hagelin and one of Kristo/Haggerty will be our 3rd line wingers IMO.

Zuccarello scored 59 points. That's a 3rd liner?

If Zuccarello was a free agent this year, those 59 points likely get him 5.5 million per year.

He's absolutely worth ~4M on a multi-year deal.

 

[Hire Sather]

The guy just hates Zuccarello. I'm not sure why.

 

[silverfish]

Loktionov has some size, but he hasn't proven much at the NHL level. I'd prefer to have a big body to play with Brass and Zuccs, but, obviously, the problem is finding someone available.

Miele was signed by the Wings. Schroeder has upside, but he's also quite small at 5'8."

Did not know Miele was signed. That's my fault.

Wonder how Loktionov would look next to Zucc and Brassard.

I think he'd look good. He's a good possession player, just can't find a way to consistently put points on the board. Zucc and Brass could certainly help that. Doesn't have Pouliot size, but he's got Pouliot possession.

 

[TurgePurge*]

Don't understand all the Glass hate here. He was pretty important to AV when he was in Vancouver. He's going to become a fan favorite, too.

I reckon he'll have a similar impact on this group of guys as Rupp had. He's not fast. Not slow. He has average speed. Can kill penalties. Can stay on his feet when forechecking. And will stick up for team mates.

1.45 for a player that can easily be shipped out for a conditional 7th (worst case scenario)... it's not a bad deal whatsoever.

That 1.45 is inflated because of the projected increase in cap next year and the year after.

It'll be comparable to a 1 mill contract in 2 years. It's fair value.

Now if we can get Winnik or Ott for 1.5 or less for 2 years... I'd be ecstatic. Our 4th line would be better, if you can imagine that.

I've gone on youtube and fastforwarded Pens games to watch Glass' shifts. He's not good. He's not going to become a fan favorite.

Also, 1 million is to 69 million as 1.45 mil is to 100.05 million.

 

[bernmeister]

You are completely out of touch with reality if you think McD+ is enough to get Johansen.

CLB would demand the entire 94 team and a time machine to get them here today in the exact shape they were in then.

 

[bernmeister]

God pls no sather. I know you have a fetish for ahgng32+ centers pls dont ****ing sell all those assets for that dude. It's brad richards all over again.

Bingo!

 

[bernmeister]

Anybody look at the following variation on a theme?

Sharp + Morin + Clendenning + rights to Hayes
for
Staal, Girardi + _________ something small

cap looks close....

Helps us - obvious
Helps Hawks - 2 key pieces of D, and can flip one for space if needed.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Anybody look at the following variation on a theme?

Sharp + Morin + Clendenning + rights to Hayes
for
Staal, Girardi + _________ something small

cap looks close....

Helps us - obvious
Helps Hawks - 2 key pieces of D, and can flip one for space if needed.

So our defense looks like this afterwards?

McDonagh-Klein
Moore-McIlrath
Allen-Boyle

Kill it with fire.

 

[Mac n Gs]

So our defense looks like this afterwards?

McDonagh-Klein
Moore-McIlrath
Allen-Boyle

Kill it with fire.

No it's ok, cuz the Hawks have SO MUCH cap room to absorb that almost $9M. It'll be k. But just remember, it's a good idea because we need more horses.

 

[mike14]

Why would the Hawks take on two $5M+ (Staal next year) salaries when they are looking to reduce costs. They need to keep young guys on controlled salaries. They'd be interested in a guy like Klein in a trade where the other team can take back a contract like Sharp. IMO they'll look to move at least Sharp and Seabrook between now and the start of next season and hope some of their young guys can step up.

 

[Fitzy]

The guy just hates Zuccarello. I'm not sure why.

People just assume they should take RB as the ultimate objectivitist because of his posting style. He doesn't give Zucc credit for anything, and if you go back far enough, I'm fairly certain it has to do with the Norwegian media presence, if not before.

You're correct, and HFNYR posters shouldn't concern themselves with it at this point. Just take it as a given and adjust accordingly.

 

[cd211]

Anybody look at the following variation on a theme?

Sharp + Morin + Clendenning + rights to Hayes
for
Staal, Girardi + _________ something small

cap looks close....

Helps us - obvious
Helps Hawks - 2 key pieces of D, and can flip one for space if needed.

just when i think i saw it all from you.. come on bern..

Hawks will need young ELC or bridge players for Sharp & Bickel.. not take on 11m** after Staals contract demands

think ANA for Palmieri/etem Vitanan etc..

G and staal tradedd? sure, but in the same damn move come on now..

 

[Leetch3]

sorry if a repost...but from the 'source' of the ryan carter and joe thornton rumors that we spent pages and pages arguing over whether it was a legit source...

CHEF @acall04 · 5h
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[Vitto79]

Zuccarello lead the team in points. He was arguably our best forward in a season where we finished 2nd in the division after a lousy start and got to the Final.

I don't see how Zuccarello is a problem.

People are silly labelling the lines . Zuc obviously was more than a 3rd liner as he led the team in PTS.

Also Nash can play lw , can we stop saying he can't ? Top 2 lw can be Nash and kreider which puts hagelin 3rd line which would be a solid top 3

Msl and zuc top 2 rw then it will work itself out but I see a ufa like stempniak

Stepan ideally is a great 2nd line C but they don't have a first . W the cap I can live w brassard number 2 and jt miller us a top prospect . He will be an excellent 3rs line C in time. Play him and dealThat's how my broken finger started. I just kept working on it every day. Took almost 6 months to bend all the way pain free though w the growing pains

Moore is solid. Glass us what he is. Atleast he knows jus role. Then fast or a cheap ufa like carcillo or carter will round out the forwards

Just get to the playoffs and add depth at the deadline if needed

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

sorry if a repost...but from the 'source' of the ryan carter and joe thornton rumors that we spent pages and pages arguing over whether it was a legit source...

CHEF @acall04 · 5h
You're a complete imbecile if you thought I was a legit insider. Proved my point that anyone can be do this. #bookit
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[aufheben]

It worked with Gainey, right?

Wait...is that the Mats in your avatar?

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

Anybody look at the following variation on a theme?

Sharp + Morin + Clendenning + rights to Hayes
for
Staal, Girardi + _________ something small

cap looks close....

Helps us - obvious
Helps Hawks - 2 key pieces of D, and can flip one for space if needed.

No.

I'd love to get Sharp and Morin too, but that's way too much.

I'd offer Brassard, McIlrath, Fast for Sharp and Morin.

Chicago gets another top-6 center, giving them Toews-Brassard-Richards-Shaw/Kruger/Regin down the middle with plenty of options. Brassard is a RFA who will likely get 3.5-4M per season. McIlrath and Fast are two borderline NHL-ready players on ELC's who Chicago will need as well. They likely don't want to part with Morin for that reason, but IMO he's the sweetener that gets Sather to accept the deal and take on Sharp's nearly-6-million-dollar cap-hit. I'd add to the offer to get Morin included, but Brassard, McIlrath, Fast would be as high as I go for Patrick Sharp and his cap-hit.



Do the above deal for Sharp, and then ask Nash to waive his NTC to goto San Jose to play with his good buddy Joe Thornton:

Nash for Pavelski and Hertl.

With Thornton, Couture, Sheppard, Desjardins, Wingels, the Sharks have an abundance of centers. They can afford to lose Pavelski, especially with Thornton and Couture as their top 2 centers (Even Marleau is a natural center if needed). Add Hertl and the deal gets done IMO. Sather especially loves players who have played well against us.


Final lineup:

Sharp Pavelski St. Louis

Kreider Stepan Zuccarello

Hagelin Lindberg/Miller Hertl

Glass Moore Morin/Kristo/Haggerty/bernmeister ;P



The D stays the same with

McDonagh Girardi
Staal Boyle
Moore Klein


and all that fits under the cap with more than 1 million in cap-space, even if Zuccarello gets 4M per season.


Here, I just ran it:


CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Joe Pavelski ($6.000m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Chris Kreider ($2.400m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Mats Zuccarello ($3.750m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Oscar Lindberg ($0.675m) / Tomas Hertl ($0.925m)
Tanner Glass ($1.450m) / Dominic Moore ($1.500m) / Jeremy Morin ($0.800m)
J.T. Miller ($0.894m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($5.500m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Dan Boyle ($4.500m)
John Moore ($1.200m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
Mike Kostka ($0.650m) /
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,731,667; BONUSES: $860,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,268,333

 

[Mac n Gs]

No.

I'd love to get Sharp and Morin too, but that's way too much.

I'd offer Brassard, McIlrath, Fast for Sharp and Morin.

Chicago gets another top-6 center, giving them Toews-Brassard-Richards-Shaw/Kruger/Regin down the middle with plenty of options. Brassard is a RFA who will likely get 3.5-4M per season. McIlrath and Fast are two borderline NHL-ready players on ELC's who Chicago will need as well. They likely don't want to part with Morin for that reason, but IMO he's the sweetener that gets Sather to accept the deal and take on Sharp's nearly-6-million-dollar cap-hit. I'd add to the offer to get Morin included, but Brassard, McIlrath, Fast would be as high as I go for Patrick Sharp and his cap-hit.



Do the above deal for Sharp, and then ask Nash to waive his NTC to goto San Jose to play with his good buddy Joe Thornton:

Nash for Pavelski and Hertl.

With Thornton, Couture, Sheppard, Desjardins, Wingels, the Sharks have an abundance of centers. They can afford to lose Pavelski, especially with Thornton and Couture as their top 2 centers (Even Marleau is a natural center if needed). Add Hertl and the deal gets done IMO. Sather especially loves players who have played well against us.


Final lineup:

Sharp Pavelski St. Louis

Kreider Stepan Zuccarello

Hagelin Lindberg/Miller Hertl

Glass Moore Morin/Kristo/Haggerty/bernmeister ;P



The D stays the same with

McDonagh Girardi
Staal Boyle
Moore Klein


and all that fits under the cap with more than 1 million in cap-space, even if Zuccarello gets 4M per season.


Here, I just ran it:


CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Joe Pavelski ($6.000m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Chris Kreider ($2.400m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Mats Zuccarello ($3.750m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Oscar Lindberg ($0.675m) / Tomas Hertl ($0.925m)
Tanner Glass ($1.450m) / Dominic Moore ($1.500m) / Jeremy Morin ($0.800m)
J.T. Miller ($0.894m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($5.500m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Dan Boyle ($4.500m)
John Moore ($1.200m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
Mike Kostka ($0.650m) /
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,731,667; BONUSES: $860,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,268,333

And just when we thought bern had an unrealistic and unachievable deal, this comes along. Nash for Pavelski AND Hertl. Good lord people.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

One bad post-season and you'd think Nash is Alex Frolov around here.

He still has tons of value.

He likely won't be traded, but if he was, he'd certainly bring back a valuable return.

Even CBJ got four valuable pieces for him when they had absolutely no leverage at all.

 

[zuckera1]

I'd buy a "61" Sharks jersey if Nash was able to land us both Pavelski and Hertl.

Would have to be more like Nash + Stepan for that deal to happen.

 

[zuckera1]

One bad post-season and you'd think Nash is Alex Frolov around here.

He still has tons of value.

He likely won't be traded, but if he was, he'd certainly bring back a valuable return.

Even CBJ got four valuable pieces for him when they had absolutely no leverage at all.

Nash at 7.8 for 4 more years basically has very little value, coming off a concussion and a down season for his standards. You add the fact that he couldn't score in the playoffs and his value tanks even more.

We'd have to retain 2-3 million of his contract to make him valuable, who wants to do that for 4 years after all we gave up to get him? I'd rather hope for a bounce back (30-30) year from him and then explore options down the road when his contract is more tradeable (rising cap + less term).