$1.5M is Tanner Glass money! OMG, without Hank we could get ANOTHER Tanner Glass!! Where do I sign up?
July 1st - Free Agent Extravaganza Part III
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$1.5M is Tanner Glass money! OMG, without Hank we could get ANOTHER Tanner Glass!! Where do I sign up?
Kakko
Formerly Chytil
D. Boyle has me questioning this, but I still think this will serve as a transitional season, like 2013
Re-tool at the deadline. Move a bigger piece for something young/different.
2015 we'll have Skjei coming in. Fast/Lindberg set for solid NHL roles. Duclair/Buchnevich hoping to jump in.
Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Duclair - Brassard - Zuccarello
Hagelin - Miller - Buchnevich
Lindberg - Moore - Fast
McDonagh - Girardi
Skjei - Boyle
Moore - McIlrath
Individual pieces can be changed (Brassard/Miller -> center acquisition), but I think 2015 the team will be icing a young lineup. This year is about being reasonably competitive, but I don't think we'll be major buyers at the deadline.
Re-tool at the deadline. Move a bigger piece for something young/different.
2015 we'll have Skjei coming in. Fast/Lindberg set for solid NHL roles. Duclair/Buchnevich hoping to jump in.
Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Duclair - Brassard - Zuccarello
Hagelin - Miller - Buchnevich
Lindberg - Moore - Fast
McDonagh - Girardi
Skjei - Boyle
Moore - McIlrath
Individual pieces can be changed (Brassard/Miller -> center acquisition), but I think 2015 the team will be icing a young lineup. This year is about being reasonably competitive, but I don't think we'll be major buyers at the deadline.
Kakko
Formerly Chytil
Okay...
I'm just saying that he's not really an example of a major discount...
And and extra 1.5M would probably erase the cap issues the team has right now
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think he earned one more penny last season than he made, though, so the Rangers made out pretty good on that one profit-wise. Well, maybe four pennies.
BlueshirtBlitz
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Hes earned all of it and I'm happy to have him. He will go down as one of my favorite players of all time, no question about it.
But if he never wins a cup, it needs to be said that him taking every last penny hampered the Rangers chances to ice a better team.
8.5 is a massive cap hit. All I'm saying is it takes a little away from how badly everyone says he wants to win.
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BlueshirtBlitz
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8.5 is close to the same percentage of the cap as his other deal. Salaries for elite players go up as the cap rises.
He makes less than a million more than Rick Nash. If CBJ overpaid Nash to the extent they did to get him to stay in Ohio with the cap at what it is now, Nash would be making 8.5. The difference is Hank is the best at his position in the league.
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Making a point like that totally ignores the fact this has been a very good team in years past almost solely because of Lundqvist.
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Its still a massive cap hit for a goalie knowing that the team had to give raises to players the following offseason.
I just wish he gave a discount. Marty did plenty of times for the Devils. He deserves it, but he didn't have to take 8.5. I really don't believe for a second that he would get more on the open market.
Insinuating that $1.5M in cap space is the difference between a Stanley Cup or not is pretty insane.
silverfish
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Don't think there's a chance in hell Lundqvist walks away with less than a $10m AAV if he hits the open market on 7/1
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$1.5 mill could bring in that one extra depth player a team needs. It could absolutely make a difference.
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Don't know how thats so easy to assume as no player has ever gotten close to that as a UFA.
I think that there should be some kind of extra $ loophole for players that you drafted... so that your best, homegrown players can still get paid, but their cap hit is worth less.
For example, Hank wants $8.5m year, so that's what he gets, but his cap hit should be calculated lower.. I dunno.. $5m? It would probably be a very complex thing to figure out, but that's what's on my mind today.
Any extra cap room makes all the difference when you want depth, as mentioned previously.
For example, Hank wants $8.5m year, so that's what he gets, but his cap hit should be calculated lower.. I dunno.. $5m? It would probably be a very complex thing to figure out, but that's what's on my mind today.
Any extra cap room makes all the difference when you want depth, as mentioned previously.
it would've been interesting. How many top 3 goalies in the league were in the open market this year? Heck, how many top goalies? Not sure what he would have gotten because he still would have to fit into a cap structure of any team, and ultimately Hank would want to go to that team, but it is an interesting debate.
If the Rangers had an extra $1.5MM I would hope they would upgrade somewhere rather than acquire another $1.5MM body. But, they don't, unfortunately.
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Its true that a goalie of Hank's caliber hasn't reached UFA in the cap era that I can remember, so there really isnt anything to compare it against.
I'm no Ryan Miller fan, never have been. But he got 6 mill. silverfish saying Hank would get 10. Is Hank 4 mill better than Miller? I'm not sure. Schneider just got 6 mill to resign. Is Hank 4 million better than him? That a big difference in cap. Hank is the best goalie in the league, or at least top 2. But is the difference that great between Hank and Miller/Schneider? I'm not saying yes without doubts.
silverfish
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Yes.
Do you know what Miller's Vezina Winning Season statistics were?
2.22 GAA, .929 sv%
Do you know what Lundqvist's CAREER AVERAGE is?
2.26 GAA, .920 sv%
On the Schneider topic, the dude has never been a bonafide #1 on any team he's played on. Split with Bobby Lu. Split with Marty. His stats are nicer than nice, let's see what happens this year when he's the #1 in NJ.
I think Lundqvist would hit $10m from a team in a bidding war on 7/1 the same way I think Rask would hit it, and Price would pull definitely more than $7.5m
But the bigger issue is the point you're trying to make off of this - that just a little extra cap space could be the difference between a cup and no cup. Its hogwash.
The real issue is that the Rangers are running out of young players capable of filling depth roles for cheap. I'd rather focus on that than penny pinching a guy that will be a top 5 Ranger all-time when its said and done.
It's not the cap space that makes the difference but what you do with it. Tim Duncan has famously taken less historically in order to give his team wiggle room...but that's because he trusts the organization which is known as being one of the best in the NBA from top to the bottom.
The Rangers can't say the same thing. Sather has handed out so many bad contracts it isn't funny. There is no reason for any player on the Rangers to think if they take a few less bucks that Sather will do right by them. And I'm not hating on Slats. Just stating facts.
That is the bigger issue, although the $1.5MM extra is really just a hypothetical "what would you do with it" kind of thing that isn't reality. Of course, if you did that hypothetical, why not the hypothetical that brought in Nash, who costs $7.8MM, and every other hypothetical out there. At this point, the Rangers are fringe playoff team in need of some lucky bounces of the puck to make some noise...was that where they were to begin last season?
You're right.
So who in their right mind would leave money on the table and trust that Sather will improve the team with it? It could be argued that Sather's teams become worse with the more space he has.
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