July 1st - Free Agent Extravaganza Part III
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credit the defensive corps too, as well as Lundqvist. I like Stepan a lot. I think he's very good defensively, but recalling the PITT series, especially in those last three games, I recall Crosby being a bit off and Staal badgering him the entire series. Hitting him whenever he can. And when they got desperate, and it's impossible keeping a guy like Crosby from getting off a shot or a nice pass, Lundqvist did stand on his head. All six guys on the ice contributed to shutting down those players, Stepan included, who was able to do it by controlling the puck and keeping the puck in the offensive zone as much as possible.
haohmaru
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Certainly agree. Still, it's not a coincidence that all of the "elite" centers that played against us in the playoffs didn't have a huge impact. Stepan isn't the sole reason, but to keep slotting this guy as some 3rd rate 2C just isn't fair nor is it indicative of his play. Some people need to learn what they are watching.
I agree. My post really wasn't meant to knock down Stepan at all; I've been stating I'm a big fan of his and with a couple adjustments to his game, and his linemates stepping up, he can easily top 70 points this season. Think in a way I was stressing importance of the unit of 5 and the backstop and how everyone needs to be going to achieve those successes. Stepan was going, that's for sure. Also, for better or worse, he has to be the team's #1 centerman this season. Can't afford someone better than him. The team may have to go with Brassard as the #2 centerman, or trade him along with someone else for a step-up and the third line centerman would be a bit weaker since there likely won't be much $$$ to go around, barring a Staal trade and with that I'm not exactly sure how much more you can get.
Gardner McKay
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That's because you're wrong. Sorry.
Seriously this is like saying McDonagh isn't that a great a skater.
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Here's a fun little stat to help demonstrate Stepan's defensive prowess.
http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...000&teamid=0&type=goals&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC
http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...000&teamid=0&type=goals&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC
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This. Now while i'm not sure what it would take to get a Kadri or Wilson i think they would both be cheaper than Thorton or Staal. While also having the Potential to get a lot better. Trading for younger players is always a risk, but the Rangers as of Late have always gone the "safe route" by signing older players who have proved themselves in the past BUT are just not as good as they once were.
If you add A Kadri along with Step those are two Centers capable of putting up 60 points. While wilson might not put 60 he is a big physical player who is not a complete liability defensively. Rangers need to stop worrying about adding "Big names" and instead add Average names who can become big.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
Yeah... I'd prefer not to leave a 3C spot on a team that is hoping to contend for the Stanley cup again up to a "feeling", unless you are plams. His feels are legit.
It is the same old story though. Miller at 3C. Allen as a 2nd pairing defenseman. Bourque, Lindberg, Fast on the 3rd/4th lines. I'm fine with trying the kids. We do need some cheap ELC players to step up if we want to be successful. You also have to surround them with the right talent in order to help their chances of success. Having someone like Stempniak or Booth (as Mr. Magnum pointed out) to play on a line with Miller is needed. Also, if they don't pan out just yet there has to be a contingency plan in place. I have yet to see what our contingency plan is when some of these kids don't light it up this year (and it will happen).
We have 80+ points of production to replace from Pouliot & Richards. I am hoping some of it comes from Kreider, Boyle, & Nash. Those 3 won't make up the entire difference though.
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Just more speculation/rambling.
If we could snag Penner for 2-2.5, he would be similar to Pouliot on the Brass/Zuccs line. Big body, similar point totals, too.
I'd like a guy like Ryan Carter on the 4th line with Glass and Moore. He plays the PK, he has decent size, and he's like Cally in that he has a motor.
Kreider - Step - Nash
Penner - Brass - Zuccs
Hagelin - ??? - MSL
Glass - Moore - Carter
We'd have about $2 million to address the center position, so I'd look under the radar, perhaps someone like Mueller (who I've mentioned a lot), and then perhaps he could split games with Miller. Another option (though inconsistent) might be a guy like Loktionov. Peter Mueller has also worked on the PP before, so he would give us PP QB options.
I might feel okay with a lineup like that. I'd of course give the kids the option, so Mueller might be a good guy to bring to camp and see how he, Miller, and Lindberg compete for the C position. Fast is also an option in case of a call-up, and I'd like to see how Haggerty plays as well.
OTHER QUESTION: Chris Mueller's deal is a one-way contract. Is he expected to stick on the 4th line with Glass and Moore?
If we could snag Penner for 2-2.5, he would be similar to Pouliot on the Brass/Zuccs line. Big body, similar point totals, too.
I'd like a guy like Ryan Carter on the 4th line with Glass and Moore. He plays the PK, he has decent size, and he's like Cally in that he has a motor.
Kreider - Step - Nash
Penner - Brass - Zuccs
Hagelin - ??? - MSL
Glass - Moore - Carter
We'd have about $2 million to address the center position, so I'd look under the radar, perhaps someone like Mueller (who I've mentioned a lot), and then perhaps he could split games with Miller. Another option (though inconsistent) might be a guy like Loktionov. Peter Mueller has also worked on the PP before, so he would give us PP QB options.
I might feel okay with a lineup like that. I'd of course give the kids the option, so Mueller might be a good guy to bring to camp and see how he, Miller, and Lindberg compete for the C position. Fast is also an option in case of a call-up, and I'd like to see how Haggerty plays as well.
OTHER QUESTION: Chris Mueller's deal is a one-way contract. Is he expected to stick on the 4th line with Glass and Moore?
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Kakko
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Decided to look at the GF/20
Turns out Carl Hagelin (and I guess Pou) is a god...
Need to keep in mind those players get pretty sheltered minutes, and they play in front of Hank. Which obviously helps Stepan, too, but he plays against the other team's best players and still has better numbers than those two.
I gotta say that we are pretty fortunate to have someone like Hank in the ORG who was willing to take so much less to stay and win in NY.
The talk in CHI is that Toews and Kane took less at 8 years and 10.5m per, Hank obviously left a ton of money on the table since he alone surely would have made at least as much as one of Toews/Kane.
The talk in CHI is that Toews and Kane took less at 8 years and 10.5m per, Hank obviously left a ton of money on the table since he alone surely would have made at least as much as one of Toews/Kane.
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The problem is that Crosby set an artificial ceiling for a while, and abuse of contract length kept cap hits down. The result was that top players ended up getting paid less than they probably should, and middling players got larger cap hits. I imagine in the next few years we'll start getting a different looking distribution of cap hits between players.
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Because no goalie is as good as Hank.
If Quick gets paid Hank money then it shows how stupid management can be.
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Gonna pump this list of names again. Not because I think they're a better option than Miller (some I do); but mostly because they are unsigned, might come cheap, and more than anything else we need BODIES to compete with Miller and Lindberg. They can't just go into camp thinking it's their's for the taking. More bodies is not a bad thing. Especially when some of these guys can come in on PTOs.
Ott
Miele
Schroeder
Loktionov
Peter Mueller (and Chris, for that matter)
Plus Miller and Lindberg, that's 7 guys competing for two spots assuming we don't fill 3LW via Free Agency. Eight if you include Fast. At the worst, getting Miele and Schroeder into our system wouldn't be a bad thing, either.
Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Loktionov/Fast - Brassard - Zuccarello
Hagelin - Schroeder/Miller - MSL
Glass - Moore - Bourque/Carcillo/Fast
Bourque/Carcillo
Bolded my top choice (on paper) for each.
Ott
Miele
Schroeder
Loktionov
Peter Mueller (and Chris, for that matter)
Plus Miller and Lindberg, that's 7 guys competing for two spots assuming we don't fill 3LW via Free Agency. Eight if you include Fast. At the worst, getting Miele and Schroeder into our system wouldn't be a bad thing, either.
Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Loktionov/Fast - Brassard - Zuccarello
Hagelin - Schroeder/Miller - MSL
Glass - Moore - Bourque/Carcillo/Fast
Bourque/Carcillo
Bolded my top choice (on paper) for each.
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Yeah, Quick isn't even a top-5 goalie and he is on a 10-year deal. The only comparable to Hank in this league is Rask, and he already got his extension.
But I agree that just because Hank is as good a goalie as Toews is a center, it doesn't mean he deserves as big a contract. The market for goalies is different.
But what do I know, just wait until Toronto extends Bernier for $9M per year.
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