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With Chicago clearly losing their minds and paying $21 MILLION for just toews and kane for the next 8 years, I think it's time to target guys like Sharp and Bickell off their roster.
July 1st - Free Agent Extravaganza Part III
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Raspewtin
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This is like the first post you've ever written that I agree with.
The idea that Nash has no value is ridiculous.
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He has a value, just not a good one. And not close to what we gave up to get him.
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lol imagine that Blackhawks team, 6 all star level defensemen, Kane Hossa Toews and a bunch of fillers
Yes somebody is with me when its comes to Bickel. I think he would be terrific next to Zucc and Brass and they need a new mate on that line. If Klein @2.9 is great value what isn't Bickel @4? The Poos of the world getting 5
Ail
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Except for that he does because he is one of the best players in the league with a well rounded game. His over payment is going to look a lot less offensive as the cap rises.
The overreaction based on his inability to finish over the course of one post-season is typical.
Ail
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Maybe a few people, if that were throwing Nash under the bus after last post-season. The crowd who didn't like the trade to begin with namely, lamenting Dubinsky and Arty as usual.
This run to the Finals took the Rick Nash hate train to soaring new heights despite the fact he was one of the best players on the ice on any given night. I say only this past post-season because that's when it became cool to hate Rick Nash. Not just on HFNYR either.
Paulie Walnutz
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Maybe because the hate was justified? Ever think of that? Maybe he played a timid offensive game and only stayed to the outside? Maybe just maybe he was outplayed all playoffs by the guy who he indirectly forced out from this team? And maybe that said player who had similar scoring issues finally went to the dirty areas to lead the playoffs in goals while our so called go to guy was MIA? But he backchecks, oh yeah he ****ing backchecks. He's a master of the stick lift. 7.8 million dollars worth of it.
Kakko
Formerly Chytil
Nash will put up at least 35/35/70 next season and everyone will love him again
Not sure if it's hilarious or sad how quick Rangers fans jump on players
Not sure if it's hilarious or sad how quick Rangers fans jump on players
I think a scape goat could be found on the a cup winning Rangers team on this board.
Lol, you gotta link for this?
What do you think Hank would have made if he hit the market two weeks ago? Look what Orpik made... Hank is arguably a top 3-5 MVP in the league. He is never hurt etc.
I can GUARANTEE you that he atleast gets 10.5m if he takes the highest offer, perfectly possible that he even gets more than that.
The dude probably left 3m per year to stay in NY. I wonder if anyone in the league ever left more money to stay in his home town. AMAZING. We are extremely fortunate to have him.
Kakko
Formerly Chytil
A link?
http://www.capgeek.com/leaders/?type=CAP_HIT
It's not some hard to find fact that skaters (especially forwards) make more money than goalies. See also: Nash, Rick
Ryan Miller just signed for 6m
There is no chance any team would give Lundqvist (or any goalie) 10.5m
One of the best regular season players in the league*
It's not an overreaction when your supposed go-to scorer pots 4 goals across 37 games in 2 post-seasons. Of course he still has value - there's not a player in the league that doesn't - it's just not astronomical.
He really wasn't, though. Again maybe in the regular season, but I can count the number of times I said to myself "Wow, there goes Nash!" in a positive light on one hand. The rest of the time I found myself saying that was when he fell down staring at a ref for 15 seconds waiting for a call that wasn't coming while the play went on. And outside of that it was "Well you can't bash him! He played well defensively!" After his first post-season, people kept saying he just needed more post-season games. He gets 25 more, and it's still "He just needs more post-season games, he'll do so well next time, just you wait." I guess I'll be waiting right here with everybody else until he hits some magical number of post-season games to start being consistently effective.
Yes, without his regular season production, maybe we don't make the playoffs. Maybe we don't make it past Montreal without his couple goals. All I saw was the team winning important games in spite of Nash, not because of or with him.
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Ail
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No, the idea that the criticisms of Nash are justified never crossed my mind at all. Thanks for that needed dose of perspective and clarity.
Ail
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Players struggling in the playoffs is nothing new and it's usually just a matter of time until they come around. Look at Crosby. The only caveat on that re: Nash is if he's playing a less effective game because of the concussions which I unfortunately think might be the case.
The Nash who killed it in that last regular season Columbus game is the guy I wanted to see more of in the playoffs. Not the guy doing the Brian Boyle impersonation.
I'm confident he'll still put up 30 goals in a full regular season and you need guys scoring in the regular season in order to make the playoffs. I don't think the Rangers move him but crazier things have happened. I saw a post (that was speculation) of Pavelski and Hertl for Nash. I can't see SJ doing that but I would jump on it if I was Sather.
The Nash who killed it in that last regular season Columbus game is the guy I wanted to see more of in the playoffs. Not the guy doing the Brian Boyle impersonation.
I'm confident he'll still put up 30 goals in a full regular season and you need guys scoring in the regular season in order to make the playoffs. I don't think the Rangers move him but crazier things have happened. I saw a post (that was speculation) of Pavelski and Hertl for Nash. I can't see SJ doing that but I would jump on it if I was Sather.
How much longer are they going to have MSL at $5.6M? How much longer can he play at a level that justifies that salary? When he retires, who takes his spot? What top-six RW do the Rangers have ready to take over that spot if they don't have Zuccarello?
The "$4M 3rd line winger" issue was created by the Rangers front office. End of story. Sather/Gorton played hardball with the last round of negotiations and it bit them in the ass now that his game has taken off.
Nash absolutely has value, and it may be equal to what we gave up to get him. Remember, Columbus had next to no leverage when it came time to deal him--he wanted out, and he wanted NY. Columbus fans didn't seem to understand this and were thinking they'd get some combination of Kreider, Stepan, multiple firsts, etc. Instead they got two good but not great roster players, a good prospect and a first. I absolutely think Nash could fetch something near that at this moment in time.
He's still a gifted player, and I don't believe his playoff performance will decrease his value that much. For a team that's focused on taking the next step, from a bubble team to a team solidly in the playoff picture, he has value. Or, for a team that's already deep and well-positioned for a run, he could have good value (think LA and Gaborik, who was also far from a playoff dynamo).
There's plenty of value to be had for a guy like Nash. And remember, there's always some GM that panics and overpays for something, fearing he's on the hot seat otherwise.
All that said, I don't know why we'd be looking to trade Nash.
He's still a gifted player, and I don't believe his playoff performance will decrease his value that much. For a team that's focused on taking the next step, from a bubble team to a team solidly in the playoff picture, he has value. Or, for a team that's already deep and well-positioned for a run, he could have good value (think LA and Gaborik, who was also far from a playoff dynamo).
There's plenty of value to be had for a guy like Nash. And remember, there's always some GM that panics and overpays for something, fearing he's on the hot seat otherwise.
All that said, I don't know why we'd be looking to trade Nash.
Agreed.
Sather can't build a balanced team, especially at forward, so the team got built via RW's demanding trades to the Rangers.
Zuccarello is amongst the 6 best forwards this team has. I don't even think its debatable.
i really dont see an issue with having 3 RWs making big money when all of them drive play on their lines and we spread minutes very evenly between the 3 lines.
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