Stepan and Brass 1-2 punch will suck in the regular season but in the playoffs they could be one of the best, both are very good playoff performers
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Swept In Seven
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Wouldn't exactly call Stepan a very good playoff performer even though he did have a nice postseason during the last run.
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LOL at the discussion about "playoff performers". Apart from a few rare cases, it's completely random. Good players are good players, the better the player, the more likely it is he'll perform in those particular playoffs. Sample is so small you get crazy outcomes all the time.
Where was playoff god David Krejci in the 2014 playoffs? He was terrible (and had terrible shooting luck as well).
Brassard is a PP specialist that is a passenger at best 5v5. A fine luxury on the 3rd line, but completely miscast at 2C in my book. Definitely not worth a multi-year $4M deal. I'm completely fine if he's deemed a cap casualty.
Brad Richards > Derick Brassard 5v5, Brass is better on the PP though (not that AV realized this).
Where was playoff god David Krejci in the 2014 playoffs? He was terrible (and had terrible shooting luck as well).
Brassard is a PP specialist that is a passenger at best 5v5. A fine luxury on the 3rd line, but completely miscast at 2C in my book. Definitely not worth a multi-year $4M deal. I'm completely fine if he's deemed a cap casualty.
Brad Richards > Derick Brassard 5v5, Brass is better on the PP though (not that AV realized this).
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UAGoalieGuy
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I could live with a fourth line of:
Carter - Moore - Carcillo/Glass
Although I think Carcillo signs for less than $900k.
What I really prefer is signing Ott and Carter (I think he can play both wings). I think Ott would sign a one year contract around $900k-$1 million to reestablish his value.
Ott - Moore - Carter
Really wish the Rangers didn't sign Glass. I can see him down in Hartford before years end.
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haohmaru
boomshakalaka
Maybe the Brad Richards of the Dallas Stars.
Certainly not the Richards of the last two years.
haohmaru
boomshakalaka
20 points in the last two years in the playoffs (good for third on the team behind McD and Brass).
Half our team was new this year......
He's not a great playoff performer. In fact, before this year, i thought he'd been a complete underperformer come playoff time.
UAGoalieGuy
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People also seem to undervalue the amount of playoff experience these younger players are getting these past few years with the deep playoff runs two of the last three years. Stepan, Hagelin, McD, Kreider have been getting a ton of it. Nash, Zucc, Brassard, J. Moore the last two years.
These players that are still here have played in 9 out of a possible 12 playoff series these past 3 years. Not to mention the experience Lundqvist, Staal, Girardi, MSL, Boyle and D. Moore have.
That experience is a very valuable commodity come playoff time.
These players that are still here have played in 9 out of a possible 12 playoff series these past 3 years. Not to mention the experience Lundqvist, Staal, Girardi, MSL, Boyle and D. Moore have.
That experience is a very valuable commodity come playoff time.
haohmaru
boomshakalaka
He's a young guy. 15 points in 24 games is a pretty respectable performance from a guy playing the most important games of his career with a broken jaw.
I'll take last year over the career sample simply because I think he's maturing and improving.
"great"? No. But, I'll certainly call last year good.
I think ott is a C/lw and will cost 1.5 and that's a deal . Stempniak as a lw/rw righty shot is also a good option. JT is better at C and signing ott could bump him back to rw
UAGoalieGuy
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I do not want Ott is he's signed to play on the 3rd line. That ship has passed for him. For some of the deals that 3rd/4th line players are going for I don't think $1 million is out of the question for him. I don't think signing Ott would have any effect on Miller. I also want that second player on the 4th line that can win faceoffs.
NYR Viper
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I still think there are some good players out there:
Winnik
Ott
Carter (meh on him but the Rangers seem to like him)
Booth
Roy
Setogouchi
Penner
Galiardi
Some teams are going to get players on some god deals with the limited cap space
NYR Viper
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I'd take Ott and Winnik. I think Ott is being labeled as too old but he was totally fine in the playoffs in a limited role. He is still a pain in the add to play against as well.
Most likely it, I'm sure Sather trying to get him well under the million, kinda hard I assuming when you handed 3x1.5 to mr Glass.
He has never "raised" his game in the playoffs, in my opinion. Brassard certainly has. Is he disastrous, no, but I"m not going to act like that tandem has the chance to be one of the best duos in the playoffs. That's nuts.
Also, stop reaching. He played 16 games in the playoffs before the broken jaw and for the most part, was invisible. I'd actually argue his performance improved and quite significantly, after that incident.
The Rangers made good decisions last year with Pouliot and Moore for the 3rd/4th line.
They'll need to do virtually the same thing this offseason to build the depth they've lost. Tanner Glass didn't tickle my fancy when it comes to that, but theres still time.
Beer League Sniper
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What baffles me about the Glass contract is the imbalance of the whole thing. $1.45M AAV for 3 years? I could see $1.45M for 1 year, or something much cheaper for 3 years, but the fact that he got the money he did with the term is something I'll never understand.
Carcillo is probably holding out for the best deal he can get. That may very well involve going to some team's camp as a tryout and signing once cap moves and demotions are made. It may be a matter of signing for $600k today, or going into camp and possibly landing a $1M contract. Just a crackpot theory I'm throwing out, but with the cap crunch I wouldn't be surprised.
Carcillo is probably holding out for the best deal he can get. That may very well involve going to some team's camp as a tryout and signing once cap moves and demotions are made. It may be a matter of signing for $600k today, or going into camp and possibly landing a $1M contract. Just a crackpot theory I'm throwing out, but with the cap crunch I wouldn't be surprised.
Thought Stepan played very well in the playoffs. He's a setup guy. He needs his linemates to score at times also, and I think his linemates were setup with some decent chances. Further, I thought he played well on a dysfunctional PP and he handled and distributed the puck quite well. My only beef with him is he doesn't shoot enough and will make that extra pass. Needs to change that up. With that, him-Brassard-player to be named later-Moore is not what you want down the middle. Richards, for all his shortcomings, took pressure off those guys. Further, as of now we have a 38 year old, $5.2MM, 30+ goal scoring winger essentially without a centerman. I don't want to tailor a lineup to St. Louis, but I also don't want to see 30 become 15 because he doesn't have anyone competent to play with, and if Dom Moore needs to be elevated to something other than fourth line, this team is in trouble.
Miamipuck
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He centered for one of the top scorers in the league who couldn't put the puck in the ocean from the end of a pier. It's not like Stepan was/is a miracle worker but he played fine. Also he is an exceptional penalty killer.
I suppose it's no different then all the crap Boyle used to get before he was put in a position to succeed. If the Rangers got a true #1, people would be kissing Stepan's behind.
Down the middle is going to kill the Rangers, it's what killed them in the playoffs. For as deep a team as they were last year, they had no center depth and obviously were lacking a top tier C. That said there's nothing wrong with Stepan, he isn't elite and he's tasked with playing that part on this team.
Edit: I agree with you
Good points. Stepan is the team's best center, but he is by no means an elite center. I dont understand how people get angry with him because he isn't.
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