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I believe the rumours that the Isles deal was for Myers and we were going to sign Klingberg to a long term deal with the space, but Myers blocked the trade.

Bullet dodged there if true.
 
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Cancuks said:
I don't think the team was ever considering dealing Miller. They looked at their roster and saw their center depth, thought it was the best in the league with Pettersson, Horvat, and Miller and thought they'd be contenders. Any defensive deficiencies would be overcome by simply outscoring every team and relaying on Demko to save them. It's a miracle this team didn't get off to a 5-0 start or something because we'd be looking at Horvat extended as well to another boat anchor of a contract. I think the Canucks are now desperately trying to move Miller before his NMC clause kicks in. They'll spin it if they manage to deal him as needing to change the core after their poor start. The return is going to be terrible and likely will require us taking back another large contract in return.
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I definitely think the team was listening and considering a Miller trade. I think they overplayed their hand and once teams set their price point our management/owner's own ego got in the way of taking what they perceived as a lessor return. Once that happened, they had pretty much backed themselves into a corner. It was very poorly mismanaged. What they should have done is just allow him to start the season as is and see where things were at the trade deadline.
 
Ethan Bear looked decent out there last night.....considering how erratic the Canucks were in the defensive zone. You can tell he's a bit rusty, having not played a single NHL for quite awhile.

A solid pickup for the cost of a fifth round draft pick.....with the Canes picking up $400,000 of his salary.
 
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mriswith said:
I believe the rumours that the Isles deal was for Myers and we were going to sign Klingberg to a long term deal with the space, but Myers blocked the trade.

Bullet dodged there if true.
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You can ask some media members about the Islanders rumour but AFAIK it wasn't Myers.
 
MikeK said:
This is what regression looks like. It's doesn't happen all at once. It's a process that starts to look exactly like this. The foot speed is usually the first to go. Then the hands. Soon all that will be left is a hockey player with whatever hockey IQ he had. I guarantee things are not going to improve with Miller as time goes on. He's 30 yrs old this spring. He is a good hockey player, maybe even great. But he was never an elite level player so don't expect him to be some beast out there well into his 30s. I predict this next 2 years will be the last good years he has. We aren't going to see a 33yr old Miller out there leading the Canucks. Never going to happen.
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Miller has been utterly useless out there. Every time the puck touches his stick the play dies. Hes moping around and sulking on the ice. Straight up ignoring the defensive side of the game.

f hes not injured, this isnt a marginal decrease in productivity. This is dropping off a cliff. Miller has been brutal so far.
 
EverTheCynic said:
Miller has been utterly useless out there. Every time the puck touches his stick the play dies. Hes moping around and sulking on the ice. Straight up ignoring the defensive side of the game.

f hes not injured, this isnt a marginal decrease in productivity. This is dropping off a cliff. Miller has been brutal so far.
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He also just signed a massive extension to secure up his financial future so there is no longer that sense of urgency he once had. When you add this up with his age, and the fact he was never an elite player, we are left with what we see now. Which is a good player on the wrong side of age. He's going to start having more bad games than good at this stage of his career. The sad part of all of this for fans is that his extension hasn't even started. He'll be well into 30 before it does. It was just a terrible extension to hand out. They definitely should have traded him before because I guarantee this deal is going to look very bad in just a cp of years. It will end up looking like it would have been better just letting him walk.
 
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He also just signed a massive extension to secure up his financial future so there is no longer that sense of urgency he once had. When you add this up with his age, and the fact he was never an elite player, we are left with what we see now. Which is a good player on the wrong side of age. He's going to start having more bad games than good at this stage of his career. The sad part of all of this for fans is that his extension hasn't even started. He'll be well into his 30s before it does. It was just a terrible extension to hand out. They definitely should have traded him before because I guarantee this deal is going to look very bad in just a cp of years. It will end up looking like it would have been better just letting him walk.
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Yeah, this is why a winning environment matters.

Once you lock in payment on someone, they've lost that self-interest reason to keep fighting.

Some people are just intrinsically driven to excel no matter what, they're rare and I don't think Miller is that type.

Which leaves only one kind of motivation...if the Canucks (or any team) is fighting for the Stanley Cup, then that has a way of elevating everyone's motivation because everyone wants that prize.

But with Miller and the Canucks as of today, you have a guy who has neither the financial incentive nor prospect of championship to drive him.
 
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JT will be fine, still fully expect he'll lead the team in scoring by years end.

The Ducks game was probably the worst he's looked up until his goal, then the best he's been this year after..

He's got plenty of gears left to hit, the legs are coming back game by game. He hasn't lost anything, just not in game shape yet. Can take a bit longer for the later 20's than the youngins.

Whole team really should have been in the gym and practicing weeks before camp after last years brutal start. Only a couple players looked ready to go the first 2 weeks.
 
Still scoring near ppg so thats cool, but that contract is OEL 2.0.
What in the f*** were they thinking when they handed JT that extention.
It's like the canucks cant live without paying a couple of shit contracts that's near untradable.
 
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VanJack said:
Ethan Bear looked decent out there last night.....considering how erratic the Canucks were in the defensive zone. You can tell he's a bit rusty, having not played a single NHL for quite awhile.

A solid pickup for the cost of a fifth round draft pick.....with the Canes picking up $400,000 of his salary.
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Shows you how bad our defense is when other teams' table scraps are our filet mignon.

LordBacon said:
Still scoring near ppg so thats cool, but that contract is OEL 2.0.
What in the f*** were they thinking when they handed JT that extention.
It's like the canucks cant live without paying a couple of shit contracts that's near untradable.
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mriswith said:
I believe the rumours that the Isles deal was for Myers and we were going to sign Klingberg to a long term deal with the space, but Myers blocked the trade.

Bullet dodged there if true.
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Peen said:
You can ask some media members about the Islanders rumour but AFAIK it wasn't Myers.
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As far as I can tell, the origin of the rumour was a purely speculative and hypothetical reference to a potential Myers deal in a Sekeres article:

"Could it be that he had a deal in principle with the Canucks, got permission to speak with Miller’s agent and got such sticker shock that he demurred? Is it possible there was a deal for another Canuck player, say defenceman Tyler Myers, who would be more akin to what they wound up getting in Romanov?"

It's like a few years ago when a journalist speculated Gudbranson might be worth a second and a fourth, which afterward was embroidered into the team turning down that offer.
 
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I'm starting to get an alarming sense of deja-vu with the decision to sign Miller to a bloated extension. Was it Rutherford's decision alone, or did Aquilini have something to do with it?

It's already starting to look as bad as the Huberdeau extension in Calgary. Why do GM's offer long-term, costly extensions to players pushing 30? Unless you're talking Sidney Crosby, it almost always backfires.

Let's face it....by the time this Canuck team is even in a position to make the playoffs much less do anything once they get there, Miller will be in his mid 30's and a spent force. And now this contract makes him basically untradeable.

Miller never was much of a defensive guru out there and moving him to center exposes all the foibles. Get him back to the wing, where at least all of his defensive gaffes are along the side-wall and not in the middle of the ice.
 
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Get a top pairing and watch JT become an effective hockey player again.

Watching OEL and Myers f*** things up over and over again is scarring for a fan and probably pretty scarring for the player.
 
I thought that was his best game so far. Yea that toss up the middle was a bozo moment, but any beer league goalie should have saved that 'shot'.

He had a bunch of shifts as a 1 man cycle show, something we haven't seen since last season. When he's in that zone, no one can take the puck from him, and he generates a ton of scoring chances. He's getting a bit faster each game.
 
He's been playing catch-up every game since the season started.

The Pettersson line has to play with the same faulty defense as the others, yet they manage to generate offense and be responsible defensively. What's Miller's excuse?
 
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He's been playing catch-up every game since the season started.

The Pettersson line has to play with the same faulty defense as the others, yet they manage to generate offense and be responsible defensively. What's Miller's excuse?
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His entire career is based on being an offensive winger.
 
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I thought that was his best game so far. Yea that toss up the middle was a bozo moment, but any beer league goalie should have saved that 'shot'.

He had a bunch of shifts as a 1 man cycle show, something we haven't seen since last season. When he's in that zone, no one can take the puck from him, and he generates a ton of scoring chances. He's getting a bit faster each game.
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Oh wow...
 
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