Player Discussion JT Miller Thread

[PuckMunchkin]

So like all good players

He is not volatile. Just passionate

I certainly hope Miller can and will be traded. Wonder if he would have more value if he was unsigned? I want to believe he would be in demand if he was going into FA this off-season.

Saying that, yes, i would trade him for younger potential talent. Really good player, yet he just doesnt fit into the timeline of where this team is at.

Absolutely.

70-80 point winger that could be have for cents on the dollar that you dont need to fit under your cap long term.

 

[theguardianII]

Canucks are rebuilding, so i would 100% be open to trading him but he doesnt carry negative value like the main HF boards seem to indicate lol.
He's a PPG forward who can play anywhere in your lineup, wing or C signed to a fair contract. 29 years old.
If Columbus sees him as afit for their team and direction etc. then he would not be a freebee. We'd need a young D and forward back.
A guy like Sillinger who's having a really poor year might be one of the targets. Only 19 yrs old, this is a rebuilding team so he'd be given time to grow. on D, not sure who'd you get as they're about to lose Gavrikov.
Maybe Peeke? he's a right shot guy, young and shows good promise. They'd be reluctant to move him for sure as he just signed a favorable extension but wtf, you're getting a top line player, you do have to give to get.

For Columbus with their mix of very young and prime age veterans he is a good fit, a replacement for Vorachek.
Gavrikov could/would be a decent start but add in a younger forward too, either of those you named or Marchenko, Chinakhov, ? holy crap do they ever have a busel basket of young player/prospects that could be chosen from. There is no way all of them can break into the line up, my desire would be to get Jirieck.

Pretty sure the Canucks would want a 1rst rnd pick, young player and prospect. or equivalent.

But they don't have to make any trades right now, not for immediate improvement, a deal for Miller could be just before the draft or July 1.

I don't think there are too many UFA's that they would want this year, Horvat surely would have been one but they have a huge amount of trade assets.

 

[M2Beezy]

His home town, wonder whats going thru his head, hope his family wont get too poisoned or sick from this disaster

Ohio town reflects on chemical train derailment aftermath

Residents of this close-knit community fear the railroad disaster has changed their lives forever.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

 

[DonnyNucker]

Unless Miller has some sort of epiphany on the defensive side of the puck, do you really see him co-existing with Tocchet for very long?

Not a chance...imo.

They will absolutely coexist and I imagine they will have a great relationship.

Don’t ruin their narratives!

 

[tantalum]

They will absolutely coexist and I imagine they will have a great relationship.

I think people swing to the extremes when discussing things like Miller and his defensive play. You have some who simply say if he's putting up points then who cares and then another group that thinks asking him to be better means you want him to an in his prime Kesler.

The reality is that yes he needs to work on his defensive game to some degree but no one, including, Tocchet is expecting him to be in any sort of Selke conversation. He just needs to be at a level that his line can hold it's own in a fairly tough match ups. And the thing with Miller is that he isn't a guy who is generally lost on the ice. He knows where to be but he has brain cramps where he forces a play or switches off a bit in the defensive end. Eliminate some of those brain cramps and he will function just fine as a second line center. And let's also not pretend Horvat was a great defensive player. He wasn't. He was passable which is likely similar level they want to see Miller at.

edit: and note I was very hard on Miller early in the year especially with his turnovers at the blueline and his attitude in recognizing it was a problem. Since then he has made adjustments that he waits to make sure a defender is backed off before making a "risky" pass. Or rather he waits for the pass to no longer be risky.

 

[racerjoe]

I think people swing to the extremes when discussing things like Miller and his defensive play. You have some who simply say if he's putting up points then who cares and then another group that thinks asking him to be better means you want him to an in his prime Kesler.

The reality is that yes he needs to work on his defensive game to some degree but no one, including, Tocchet is expecting him to be in any sort of Selke conversation. He just needs to be at a level that his line can hold it's own in a fairly tough match ups. And the thing with Miller is that he isn't a guy who is generally lost on the ice. He knows where to be but he has brain cramps where he forces a play or switches off a bit in the defensive end. Eliminate some of those brain cramps and he will function just fine as a second line center. And let's also not pretend Horvat was a great defensive player. He wasn't. He was passable which is likely similar level they want to see Miller at.

edit: and note I was very hard on Miller early in the year especially with his turnovers at the blueline and his attitude in recognizing it was a problem. Since then he has made adjustments that he waits to make sure a defender is backed off before making a "risky" pass. Or rather he waits for the pass to no longer be risky.

People just like to be extremist and swing wildly.

Remember last year where Horvat was a bad Captain and Miller was the future. This season it was the opposite... Its just a little bit funny. People claiming we signed him at a high water mark, when the reality is he was signed for being a PPG player. With a strong finish he could easily get there, he is only a few points off that pace after a bad start.

 

[ChuckNorris4Cup]

Would Islanders make a trade for Miller with Barzal out

 

[oceanchild]

Would Islanders make a trade for Miller with Barzal out

Do they have anything left that we want ?

 

[MS]

Would Islanders make a trade for Miller with Barzal out

No, they would not.

 

[ChuckNorris4Cup]

Do they have anything left that we want ?

No idea, but another team just in case. As long as he's gone I'm happy tbh.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

No idea, but another team just in case. As long as he's gone I'm happy tbh.

The non-hockey part of my brain just can’t comprehend seven more years of this pissy assclown in my orbit.

 

[ChuckNorris4Cup]

No, they would not.

Brock instead...

 

[DonnyNucker]

Brock instead...

Would
You trade for Brock if you were the GM of a bubble team?

 

[VanJack]

In the NHL there are two classes of teams--playoff teams and the ones in the lottery.

Lottery teams make decisions on their players pushing 30. Ninety percent of the time they're going to trade them to acquire more draft picks or younger prospects.

Playoff teams, on the other hand, extend their best player where they can, and even add at the TDL, often at the expense of their prospect pool.

The Canuck are a lottery team, the third year in row they've missed the playoffs. The problem is they've been in a state of denial for years. That's the only way to explain extending Miller for seven more years

Let's face it, Miller won't be here when the Canucks are even in the conversation for a Cup. Heck he probably won't be here when the Canucks are even in the playoff conversation again.

Teams like the Habs, Sens, Kings Ducks, and Devils behave like lottery teams. They've already traded their best players and stockpiled picks. And they're on the way back up. The Kings and Devils are already playoff teams.

The Canucks, on the other hand, have traded high draft picks and filled their boots with disastrous decisions on the trade and UFA market. And they're absolutely nowhere. They have no 'present' and they certainly have 'no future'.

Canucks have been in the lottery for eight of the past 10 seasons. Since 2020 they've traded two first round draft picks and three second rounders. Jason Dickinson cost them a third rounder to acquire and then another second rounder just to unload his contract. Little wonder their prospect pool is ranked 26th.

And during this entire time, they've spent to salary cap maximum. A capped out team in the lottery, year after year. It's about as bad as it gets.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

In the NHL there are two classes of teams--playoff teams and the ones in the lottery.

Lottery teams make decisions on their players pushing 30. Ninety percent of the time they're going to trade them to acquire more draft picks or younger prospects.

Playoff teams, on the other hand, extend their best player where they can, and even add at the TDL, often at the expense of their prospect pool.

The Canuck are a lottery team, the third year in row they've missed the playoffs. The problem is they've been in a state of denial for years. That's the only way to explain extending Miller for seven more years

Let's face it, Miller won't be here when the Canucks are even in the conversation for a Cup. Heck he probably won't be here when the Canucks are even in the playoff conversation again.

Teams like the Habs, Sens, Kings Ducks, and Devils behave like lottery teams. They've already traded their best players and stockpiled picks. And they're on the way back up. The Kings and Devils are already playoff teams.

The Canucks, on the other hand, have traded high draft picks and filled their boots with disastrous decisions on the trade and UFA market. And they're absolutely nowhere. They have no 'present' and they certainly have 'no future'.

Canucks have been in the lottery for eight of the past 10 seasons. Since 2020 they've traded two first round draft picks and three second rounders. Jason Dickinson cost them a third rounder to acquire and then another second rounder just to unload his contract. Little wonder their prospect pool is ranked 26th.

And during this entire time, they've spent to salary cap maximum. A capped out team in the lottery, year after year. It's about as bad as it gets.

Behaving like a lottery team does not guarantee that that your going to be an annual playoff team..Rebuilds go sideways all the time, and before you know it..your doing a rebuild on a rebuild.

The Canucks have some elite assets..Saying they have no future is being drastic and pessimistic..Dont ever underestimate the reversal of fortune in the NHL.

Obviously, work has to be done, and a more creative fiscal responsibility needed.

Its not as bad as it gets.

 

[ChuckNorris4Cup]

Would
You trade for Brock if you were the GM of a bubble team?

Benning would.

 

[DonnyNucker]

Benning would.

He basically did that with Toffoli. Although at least TT was decent

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

Behaving like a lottery team does not guarantee that that your going to be an annual playoff team..Rebuilds go sideways all the time, and before you know it..your doing a rebuild on a rebuild.

The Canucks have some elite assets..Saying they have no future is being drastic and pessimistic..Dont ever underestimate the reversal of fortune in the NHL.

Obviously, work has to be done, and a more creative fiscal responsibility needed.

Its not as bad as it gets.

You’re right in that it’s not as bad as it gets. July 1st it holds my beers us when the Miller noose officially tightens.

 

[credulous]

friedman basically said the canucks would have to retain or take back a ton of money to move miller and i don't think either are palatable to canucks management. he's here for the long term

 

[Tact]

friedman basically said the canucks would have to retain or take back a ton of money to move miller and i don't think either are palatable to canucks management. he's here for the long term

Why though? To a team that’s in “win now” for the next 4 years or a team that struggles to sign top UFAs should be all over this.

If Miller made it to UFA, he would most definitely get more than 8x7 on open market. It’s not a terrible contract for the right circumstances.

 

[credulous]

i'm just repeating what friedman said on 32 thoughts today

 

[Peter Griffin]

Would Islanders make a trade for Miller with Barzal out

I think at this point the Isles will just stand pat and see what happens. They got Bo signed to an extension so if they do miss the playoffs than Lou will do whatever it takes to improve the team for next season which IMO means that Isles pick, if higher than 13th, will be on the block for someone who can improve the team immediately.

 

[Peter Griffin]

friedman basically said the canucks would have to retain or take back a ton of money to move miller and i don't think either are palatable to canucks management. he's here for the long term

A tonne of money could be someone like Jesperi Kotkaniemi who still has ~$35M owed to him. That said, his deal is very easily bought out in 2 years if he doesn’t live up to his contract. Obviously they would need more back in a deal than Kotkaniemi but it’s an interesting way to make the cash component work if Carolina is indeed interested in Miller.

 

[VanJack]

Behaving like a lottery team does not guarantee that that your going to be an annual playoff team..Rebuilds go sideways all the time, and before you know it..your doing a rebuild on a rebuild.

The Canucks have some elite assets..Saying they have no future is being drastic and pessimistic..Dont ever underestimate the reversal of fortune in the NHL.

Obviously, work has to be done, and a more creative fiscal responsibility needed.

Its not as bad as it gets.

Well, the facts are these. The Canucks have been a lottery team eight of the last 10 years, and probably would have been in 2019 if the season hadn't been shut down.

Despite being one of the worst teams in the NHL over that stretch, the Canucks have traded a dizzying array of draft picks; and have one of the worst payrolls in hockey. Look at Cap Friendly. Never has a team spent so much in player salaries for so little return. And their prospect pool ranks 26th in the league.

And the bottom line is that the Canucks will be a lottery team in 2023-24; and unless some miracle transpires, they'll be in the lottery again the following season.

So if that's 'not as bad as it gets'.....tell me what is?