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Miller has been well liked by his past 3 coaches..Cooper, Green, and Boudreau.

Guess it remains to be seen how he co-exists with Tocchet .
 
I was on the trade Miller train and don't think that contract will age well, but in regards to this year I believe Miller and his wife had their third kid just before training camp, and I think sometimes things like this are overlooked when looking at variance in a pro athlete's performance.

The whole process of becoming a parent can be very involved and time (and sleep) consuming, even if you have a good support network around you. Perhaps in the old days men were largely excused from parental responsibility to be the bread winner (especially in well paid jobs where they could afford a lot of help), but these days a bit more involvement is the norm in North America. I imagine if Miller is an involved parent he had a lot on his plate dealing with a new born and two other kids under 5 while going thru training camp and start to the season.

This is just my speculation, and no pro-athlete is going to talk about this stuff openly as it will not be received well by fans that expect no excuses from highly paid athletes on their favourite team. But they are humans, with other stuff going on. It could explain why Miller looked like he was skating in quicksand to start the year.
 
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PPG player doesn’t mean as much as it used to the last couple seasons.

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Basically double the number of PPG players this season and last compared to the four years prior, and almost 5x what there was in the mid-2010s. About equivalent to a 65-72 point player a half dozen years ago.

Miller has looked better under Tocchet but has also seen his ice time slashed and been given really soft minutes.

He can still be valuable as a PP specialist who can also drive above average shooting percentages at even strength. He’s fine right now if the team were competitive, but that’s still not a skillset I’d be comfortable investing in long term with this season and likely the next couple being write-offs.
 
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iFan said:
wait so all the hockey media people trying to get clicks and views for ad money were wrong that Miller was a locker room problem? these media people have very little to no creditability.
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You can be loved by 80% of people and hated by 20% and still be a problem.
I'd rather be indifferent to 98% of people if I am a hockey player.
 
Siludin said:
You can be loved by 80% of people and hated by 20% and still be a problem.
I'd rather be indifferent to 98% of people if I am a hockey player.
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Harry Neale once essentially said: "All new coaches face a locker room that has often 1/3 of the team with you, 1/3 of the team against you, and 1/3 of the team on the fence (neutral)" "...the trick is to win over that 1/3 of the neutral".
 
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RutherPlan said:
shame on most of you thinking Miller wasn't a good leader.
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a yeller, screamer, body flexer, stick swinging , Neanderthal couldn't lead me anywhere.
But beside that, he is on the wrong team, at the wrong time, for his age and contract length
 
Pastor Of Muppetz said:
Miller has been well liked by his past 3 coaches..Cooper, Green, and Boudreau.

Guess it remains to be seen how he co-exists with Tocchet .
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Unless Miller has some sort of epiphany on the defensive side of the puck, do you really see him co-existing with Tocchet for very long?

Not a chance...imo.
 
theguardianII said:
To Columbus?
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Canucks are rebuilding, so i would 100% be open to trading him but he doesnt carry negative value like the main HF boards seem to indicate lol.
He's a PPG forward who can play anywhere in your lineup, wing or C signed to a fair contract. 29 years old.
If Columbus sees him as afit for their team and direction etc. then he would not be a freebee. We'd need a young D and forward back.
A guy like Sillinger who's having a really poor year might be one of the targets. Only 19 yrs old, this is a rebuilding team so he'd be given time to grow. on D, not sure who'd you get as they're about to lose Gavrikov.
Maybe Peeke? he's a right shot guy, young and shows good promise. They'd be reluctant to move him for sure as he just signed a favorable extension but wtf, you're getting a top line player, you do have to give to get.
 
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VanJack said:
Unless Miller has some sort of epiphany on the defensive side of the puck, do you really see him co-existing with Tocchet for very long?

Not a chance...imo.
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Seems to me he's been playing better under RT...Maybe if the entire team can play with better structure, it might bode well for Miller.

RT did mention yesterday that smashing sticks, and tantrums on the bench, are a no go..So we'll see how that goes.
 
Bankerguy said:
Canucks are rebuilding, so i would 100% be open to trading him but he doesnt carry negative value like the main HF boards seem to indicate lol.
He's a PPG forward who can play anywhere in your lineup, wing or C signed to a fair contract. 29 years old.
If Columbus sees him as afit for their team and direction etc. then he would not be a freebee. We'd need a young D and forward back.
A guy like Sillinger who's having a really poor year might be one of the targets. Only 19 yrs old, this is a rebuilding team so he'd be given time to grow. on D, not sure who'd you get as they're about to lose Gavrikov.
Maybe Peeke? he's a right shot guy, young and shows good promise. They'd be reluctant to move him for sure as he just signed a favorable extension but wtf, you're getting a top line player, you do have to give to get.
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I certainly hope Miller can and will be traded. Wonder if he would have more value if he was unsigned? I want to believe he would be in demand if he was going into FA this off-season.

Saying that, yes, i would trade him for younger potential talent. Really good player, yet he just doesnt fit into the timeline of where this team is at.
 
rypper said:
Hmm one guy has an 8 year deal, the other 2...
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Exactly.....Miller was at times a defensive nightmare under Green and Boudreau, and now has an eight year agreement.

Didn't I read somewhere that in the last game against the Wings, Miller barely got 12 minutes of ice-time. Would Tocchet have the jam to cut his ice time or even bench him, if Miller's defensive work slides as it inevitably will?

Possibly. But as you say, one guy has an eight year contract, and guy behind the bench only two. Hmm.
 
VanJack said:
Exactly.....Miller was at times a defensive nightmare under Green and Boudreau, and now has an eight year agreement.

Didn't I read somewhere that in the last game against the Wings, Miller barely got 12 minutes of ice-time. Would Tocchet have the jam to cut his ice time or even bench him, if Miller's defensive work slides as it inevitably will?

Possibly. But as you say, one guy has an eight year contract, and guy behind the bench only two. Hmm.
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Played 19.28 mins last game.
 
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