Speculation: JT Miller, Part III

[AHLdepth]

Maple Leafs prospect Rodion Amirov diagnosed with brain tumour

Only tangentially related, but sometimes something bigger than hockey pops up, thoughts and prayers to the Amirov family, Toronto fans hope he comes back strong and dominates for you!

 

[Nylanderthal]

Did you mean that everyone ranked above those leads prospects that you listed would be off the table for Miller? If so that’s not how I interpreted it my apologies.

What I meant was I don’t see too many of the guys ranked ahead of Robertson being in play for miller, wether that’s because of where that prospects team is at in their development curve or if the player simply wouldn’t be available. Out of the guys in the top 20 maybe Holloway from Edmonton is available, but he’s ranked 19th and it’s more of what you’re looking for at that point as he’s probably farther away from contributing, not to mention you’re dealing within the division with a heated rival. Even going up into the 30’s and 40’s it’s mostly kids on bad teams. Maybe Hendrix lapierre, I’m not sure if the caps feel they need another vet forward.
I can appreciate the desire to fill every hole with one trade, I’ve been a leaf fan for 30 plus years and have been through some really lean times. It’s just more often than not it’s the “best fit” and best asset combination. Leafs offering a 1st plus a highly regarded prospect and some form of other reasonably good assets is a good return imo for a guy who’s timeline probably doesn’t line up with the rest of the team.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Maple Leafs prospect Rodion Amirov diagnosed with brain tumour

Only tangentially related, but sometimes something bigger than hockey pops up, thoughts and prayers to the Amirov family, Toronto fans hope he comes back strong and dominates for you!

Really humbling news, and any and all concerns related to hockey are nonexistent. Hoping for a recovery allowing Rody to live a normal life, anything else is gravy at this point.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

My biased Canucks based opinion is that any Miller deal needs to include 1st, Niemela, +. This addresses some of the Canucks areas of weakness. Dermott and Kerfoot, while solid middle of the line-up players, they don't add enough value for the Canucks that it makes sense to diminish the other assets (for example Niemela down to Hirvonen). With other teams likely in the mix for Miller I wouldn't want to settle for maybe assets like Hirvonen/Kral or 3rd line LW and 3rd pairing D. I understand not wanting to give up higher end assets but players like Miller will require better assets than what is suggested here.

Those 4 for Miller isn’t an out of the world ask

 

[SensFactor]

To Toronto:
JT Miller (2 years remaining on his contract)

To Vancouver:
1st 2022
Nick Robertson/Liljegren/Niemelä
Kerfoot

??

 

[dayner]

Alright so I will throw a curveball offer here. Prepare to hate it.

To Toronto:
JT Miller (retained at 50% for this year AND next year as we should not be a cap team next year)

To Vancouver
1st 2022
Niemela
Liljegren

I'm out

 

[krutovsdonut]

This is utter nonsense.
The leafs have all their picks aside from a few middle round picks this year, is miller being traded for a 22 4th and 6th?
The leafs with Amirov aside due to health concerns have the 20th 29th and 54th ranked prospects according to THW’s mid season NHL prospects list.
Then looking at the roster itself there’s plenty of cap neutral/positive ballast options depending on what Rutherford is looking for in return.
There’s definitely a fit it’s just as per usual the really over the top fans from both fan bases (and third party fans who have the leafs permanently residing in a corner penthouse rent free in their minds) have over valued one end and under valued another.

there's no fit. your picks and your prospects are not of a tier that i would consider as a centrepiece for miller. there's nothing to build a trade on.

and fyi, the "really over the top fans" in my experience are the ones who start posts with hyperbole like "this is utter nonsense" and then quote thw ratings as "evidence". the only thing more predictably wrong than those kind of fans would be hockey publications relentlessly overrating middling leaf prospects for the clicks. jeremy bracco says hi.

 

[Nylanderthal]

To Toronto:
JT Miller (2 years remaining on his contract)

To Vancouver:
1st 2022
Nick Robertson/Liljegren/Niemelä
Kerfoot

??

Alright so I will throw a curveball offer here. Prepare to hate it.

To Toronto:
JT Miller (retained at 50% for this year AND next year as we should not be a cap team next year)

To Vancouver
1st 2022
Niemela
Liljegren

I'm out

Somewhere in between these two is the real answer

 

[Nylanderthal]

there's no fit. your picks and your prospects are not of a tier that i would consider as a centrepiece for miller. there's nothing to build a trade on.

and fyi, the "really over the top fans" in my experience are the ones who start posts with hyperbole like "this is utter nonsense" and then quote thw ratings as "evidence". the only thing more predictably wrong than those kind of fans would be hockey publications relentlessly overrating middling leaf prospects for the clicks. jeremy bracco says hi.

That’a like… your opinion, man.

 

[Smif]

JT Miller for Nylander, who adds?

 

[nowhereman]

Nothing the Leafs have in their system interests me. If the Canucks are going to trade away one of the better wingers in the league, they need impact pieces coming back.

 

[SensFactor]

Nothing the Leafs have in their system interests me. If the Canucks are going to trade away one of the better wingers in the league, they need impact pieces coming back. Quality over quantity.

The problem is the term left on JT Miller's contract. He is only signed for 1 more year after this one and then he can walk. So without that guarantee of him signing an extension, teams are not going to give up to many impactful pieces.

 

[GoLeafsGo96]

Alright so I will throw a curveball offer here. Prepare to hate it.

To Toronto:
JT Miller (retained at 50% for this year AND next year as we should not be a cap team next year)

To Vancouver
1st 2022
Niemela
Liljegren

I'm out

It's pretty steep, but the retention is pretty good too honestly. It's not the worst proposal but I expect the Leafs might push hard to remove Liljegren for Dermott/Holl - but Vancouver likely walks away from that.

 

[GoLeafsGo96]

The problem is the term left on JT Miller's contract. He is only signed for 1 more year after this one and then he can walk. So without that guarantee of him signing an extension, teams are not going to give up to many impactful pieces.

Pretty much this. You can get mid tier first round types, but you're not going to get Mason MacTavish or Jamie Drysdale/recent top 10 first round pick with significant promise I don't think. Those players have just insanely more value to teams nowadays because they're ready to contribute earlier and come in on extremely valuable ELCs.

 

[Diamonddog01]

These offers are horrific. Much rather keep Miller or explore a trade with other teams for a much better fit.

 

[A1LeafNation]

These offers are horrific. Much rather keep Miller or explore a trade with other teams for a much better fit.

One of the last moves your GM made was Kapanen for a 1st.

Just saying.

 

[BayStBullies]

Kerfoot, 1st, Niemela, Robertson, Amirov

Thanks

Otherwise we can keep him

Lol

 

[Cogburn]

JT Miller for Nylander, who adds?

No thanks.

 

[Just a Fan]

Alright so I will throw a curveball offer here. Prepare to hate it.

To Toronto:
JT Miller (retained at 50% for this year AND next year as we should not be a cap team next year)

To Vancouver
1st 2022
Niemela
Liljegren

I'm out

Pass

 

[Diamonddog01]

One of the last moves your GM made was Kapanen for a 1st.

Just saying.

Rutherford isn't our GM and just because he made one crappy trade doesn't mean we have to accept the Leafs lowball offers for our best / 2nd best player.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Nothing the Leafs have in their system interests me. If the Canucks are going to trade away one of the better wingers in the league, they need impact pieces coming back.

They have 3 top 50ish and 2 top 30 nhl prospects, all their top picks, young contributing roster players. Lol get real

 

[Just a Fan]

Can you guys please circle back to the Rangers? I hear they have this Schneider guy you might like….

 

[Nylanderthal]

No thanks.

Likewise.

 

[Diamonddog01]

They have 3 top 50ish and 2 top 30 nhl prospects, all their top picks, young contributing roster players. Lol get real

We want blue chip, not "top 30." Frankly I don't see any of the Leafs prospects being mentioned in this thread becoming NHL regulars.

 

[NMacrules]

Elliotte just said if Muzzin is on LTIR (injured last game, seems another concussion), he thinks the Leafs will go after Miller

What would the asking price be?

Friedman is a fool. He loves making shit up.