Speculation: JT Miller, Part III

[Rob Brown]

My original comment was Friedman's report that the Leafs want Miller is for clicks. It's fake.

With the added joke that if it somehow is true, than Dubas is a dumb.

I think it's scenario one.

Ah, yeah. Hard to tell I suppose but we'll find out. My guess is we make a move for D, I agree.

 

[Hodge]

If paying 4 Forwards 40m$ isn't enough to ensure playoff scoring, then another lesson hasn't been learnt.

You need more than four players who can score. This isn't basketball. Besides none of the available defensemen are remotely as impactful as JT Miller.

 

[quackquackquack]

Again, they lost in the playoffs the last two years because they couldn't score. How is acquiring another first line forward to take some of the pressure off the big boys not learning their lesson?

They didn't exactly face offensive juggernauts the past 2 playoffs. They'll likely have to face Tampa or Florida in the first round and that's a hell of a lot different

 

[Hodge]

They didn't exactly face offensive juggernauts the past 2 playoffs. They'll likely have to face Tampa or Florida in the first round and that's a hell of a lot different

Leafs really aren't a bad defensive team. Goaltending is questionable but it's too late to fix that in a meaningful way this season.

 

[Boondock]

I posted that earlier, 1.5 years of Miller, or 3 more years of 23 year old Chychrun.

Chychrun will cost 1 more high level asset than Miller. If Miller costs 1st, Niemela, + than Chychrun would cost 1st, Niemela, Knies, +
I know why a team would be after Chychrun but the cost will be more painful. With Muzzin, Rielly and Sandin on the left side, is Chychrun the best target?

 

[Nylanderthal]

How is it "essentially'' 3 1sts when Niemela was a 3rd round pick?

Pretty sure both Niemela and Robertson would go in the top half of the first round in a redraft of their years. Knies definitely would as well.

 

[Just a Fan]

Chychrun will cost 1 more high level asset than Miller. If Miller costs 1st, Niemela, + than Chychrun would cost 1st, Niemela, Knies, +
I know why a team would be after Chychrun but the cost will be more painful. With Muzzin, Rielly and Sandin on the left side, is Chychrun the best target?

Depends on Muzzin's health, again, in my opinion....if the cost for Miller is anywhere close to what i've read from some Canucks fans, i quickly walk away and invest those assets into D.

And i don't think Chychrun costs as much as you think.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Friedman, "There we go, that should get some clicks..."

That or if some how true Dubas really hasn't learnt anything these last what 4 years?

What hasn’t he learned? Defense hasn’t been the issue, since Keefe took over they’re a top 5 defensive team in traditional and analytical methods while receiving at best mid level goaltending. They issue has been soft goals let in by the goalie and an inability to score. Neither of those are fixed by adding a bruiser to the back end.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Depends on Muzzin's health, again, in my opinion....if the cost for Miller is anywhere close to what i've read from some Canucks fans, i quickly walk away and invest those assets into D.

And i don't think Chychrun costs as much as you think.

He’s also likely not as good as most think he is either. Miller is an impactful ppgish 2 way forward who plays a style that we don’t have a lot of and would compliment Tavares really well, or help create an explosive 3rd line.

 

[Boondock]

Depends on Muzzin's health, again, in my opinion....if the cost for Miller is anywhere close to what i've read from some Canucks fans, i quickly walk away and invest those assets into D.

And i don't think Chychrun costs as much as you think.

Based on what? He's been rumored to be available all season, if a 1st and Robertson was enough, you don't think a team has offered that yet?

 

[Nylanderthal]

Show me a single Leafs prospect that would excite the Canucks enough to move Miller.

A whole lotta meh. Not sold on Niemela like others seem to be. But it's classic Leafs and Canucks fans, both teams have the best prospects according to ourselves.

Robertson Amirov Niemela and Knies ranked 20, 21, 29 and 54 in the most recent top 100 nhl prospect rankings. The guys above aren’t likely to be available for 1.5 years of miller.

 

[Just a Fan]

Based on what? He's been rumored to be available all season, if a 1st and Robertson was enough, you don't think a team has offered that yet?

I didn't say 1st+Robertson would do it...

 

[habsfan44]

Am I the only one who thinks this is a terrible idea for the leafs?

I think it's rather obvious , IMO they need to fix the defense especially if Muzzins injury is long-term . Overall team toughness needs to be addressed as well because the team is too damned soft , targeting a player like Luke Schenn would help with both those issues , maybe a guy like Cal Clutterbuck to add to the forward group , to be honest I think Chara would be more helpful as a number 6-7 dman than Miller right now .

 

[Canucks LB]

Lmao so good

 

[Bettman Returnz]

Lmao so good

More reason to not trade him (yet) barring an amazing return. It will definitely leave a large hole if he’s traded.

 

[53or8]

Lmao so good

Don't think we have the cap room for mcdavid

 

[Flukeshot]

You need more than four players who can score. This isn't basketball. Besides none of the available defensemen are remotely as impactful as JT Miller.

That's 100% true which is why my comment about "the lesson" not learned is spending 40m on 4 players. I'm not sure it's possible to build a successful team under that model.

 

[Flukeshot]

What hasn’t he learned? Defense hasn’t been the issue, since Keefe took over they’re a top 5 defensive team in traditional and analytical methods while receiving at best mid level goaltending. They issue has been soft goals let in by the goalie and an inability to score. Neither of those are fixed by adding a bruiser to the back end.

My point is if you're paying 4 players half your cap to score goals, and they aren't scoring enough goals, than your team model is broken.

Really though I didn't comment to poop on Dubas and the Leafs. I'm questioning Friedman's clickbait validity.

 

[krutovsdonut]

this makes sense i guess if it's really big.

edited for brainfart

 

[Nylanderthal]

My point is if you're paying 4 players half your cap to score goals, and they aren't scoring enough goals, than your team model is broken.

Really though I didn't comment to poop on Dubas and the Leafs. I'm questioning Friedman's clickbait validity.

Well to be fair one of the four guys they were counting on last year was out the whole series. I wouldn’t say it’s broken, it just hasn’t worked up to now in the playoffs. . Dubas in previous TDL’s and off seasons has prioritized grit and experience over all else when rounding out the roster bringing in the guys he has. Miller represents a great mix of grit and skill that the team lacks and gives them three solid pairings of forwards to build a top 9 around
Matthews-Marner
Miller-Tavares
Kerfoot-Nylander

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

this makes sense i guess if it's really big. something like miller and a rhd for rielly and other pieces.

What? Why the hell do we need another expensive LHD exactly? Rielly has never been discussed either, why would the leafs trade him?

 

[krutovsdonut]

What? Why the hell do we need another expensive LHD exactly? Rielly has never been discussed either, why would the leafs trade him?

sorry brain melt. i was think rielly was rhd.

 

[Nylanderthal]

this makes sense i guess if it's really big. something like miller and a rhd for rielly and other pieces.

Rielly isn’t going anywhere, he just extended at a significant discount to remain a Leaf for life.
Im sure Dubas would move a 1st + top prospect ++ for a 50% retained miller the debate around here between the two fan bases is what those pluses would be.

 

[TheDoldrums]

this makes sense i guess if it's really big. something like miller and a rhd for rielly and other pieces.

lol what, the Leafs aren't moving Rielly. His very reasonable extension hasn't even kicked in yet. He probably retires a Leaf tbh.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Rielly isn’t going anywhere, he just extended at a significant discount to remain a Leaf for life.
Im sure Dubas would move a 1st + top prospect + for a 50% retained miller the debate around here between the two fan bases is what that plus would be.

i edited my post to remove a reference to rielly.

canucks are looking for a young minute munching rhd.