Speculation: JT Miller, Part III

[leafsfan5]

that would apply to a team with bountiful assets and cap flexibility. The Leafs have one hand tied behind their back. They are really due for only 1 big move.

If Muzzin goes to LTIR they open up a ton of options

 

[Flukeshot]

Friedman, "There we go, that should get some clicks..."

That or if some how true Dubas really hasn't learnt anything these last what 4 years?

 

[M2Beezy]

Liljegren
Robertson
Kerfoot
1st

for

Miller (50% retained)
Schenn

Replace Schenn with PoolMan and have the Leafs add a 2nd and Id consider this

 

[Rob Brown]

How is it "essentially'' 3 1sts when Niemela was a 3rd round pick?

It's almost as if a prospect's development, upside etc. can change after they've been drafted.

 

[ACC1224]

that would apply to a team with bountiful assets and cap flexibility. The Leafs have one hand tied behind their back. They are really due for only 1 big move.

Not at all.

 

[JoeSakic13]

Friedman, "There we go, that should get some clicks..."

That or if some how true Dubas really hasn't learnt anything these last what 4 years?

 

[Hodge]

Friedman, "There we go, that should get some clicks..."

That or if some how true Dubas really hasn't learnt anything these last what 4 years?

Again, they lost in the playoffs the last two years because they couldn't score. How is acquiring another first line forward to take some of the pressure off the big boys not learning their lesson?

 

[ACC1224]

How is it "essentially'' 3 1sts when Niemela was a 3rd round pick?

 

[Rob Brown]

Friedman, "There we go, that should get some clicks..."

That or if some how true Dubas really hasn't learnt anything these last what 4 years?

This is a pretty old take. He's actually been pretty adaptable in terms of changing his approach every year based on what the need is.

Needed D? Traded for Muzzin and signed Brodie.

Needed veteran leadership? Signed Spezza, Simmonds etc., in addition to veterans via trade like Muzzin.

Needed a backup goaltender? Traded for Campbell.

Needed more cheap forward depth? Signed Bunting, Kase, Kampf.

He doesn't blindly trade or sign offensive players every year while ignoring the rest of the team like so many people here suggest.

 

[DeltaSwede]

This is peak Nuck fanbase. Almost forgot about the delusional hype factory out west.

Show me one trade - 1 - in the last few decades where a team paid a 1st + all 3 top prospects (all 1st round re-draft value) for a comparable to Miller.

Show me a single Leafs prospect that would excite the Canucks enough to move Miller.

A whole lotta meh. Not sold on Niemela like others seem to be. But it's classic Leafs and Canucks fans, both teams have the best prospects according to ourselves.

 

[General Fanager]

Again, they lost in the playoffs the last two years because they couldn't score. How is acquiring another first line forward to take some of the pressure off the big boys not learning their lesson?

It won't matter if The Leafs score 3-4 goals per game if they can't defend. The Panthers or Lightning will tear them up.....

Its time to fix the D

 

[Flukeshot]

Again, they lost in the playoffs the last two years because they couldn't score. How is acquiring another first line forward to take some of the pressure off the big boys not learning their lesson?

If paying 4 Forwards 40m$ isn't enough to ensure playoff scoring, then another lesson hasn't been learnt.

 

[Boondock]

This won't work for Vancouver unless they believe that Nylander can actually play Centre at a high level. Canucks need either a RD or Centre out of this trade and history shows that Nylander is not capable of being a top centre.

I would make that trade is I was Canuck management. I also would not make that trade if I was Toronto management, so probably a bit lop-sided for Vancouver. You don't trade away a Nylander at the deadline when you're after a cup. You add to Nylander.

Also Toronto fans please stop replying to the 2 or 3 posts that ask for Robertson, Amirov, Knies, and multiple 1st - clearly either trolling or clueless to actual hockey trades so adds nothing to the conversation. Likewise I would encourage Van fans to stop responding the 2-3 people suggesting Dermott, Kerfoot and a 2nd for Miller @50% as these are clearly trolls or clueless to actual hockey trades so add nothing to the conversation.

 

[seanlinden]

Sounds like Friedmans chasing page hits.
What do the leafs have left to offer?

Objectively: Robertson, Liljegren, 2022 1st Round Pick, 2023 1st Round Pick (or other 2023 picks), Dermott, some lesser prospects, maybe Holl, maybe Niemla or Knies. Obviously not all of these pieces, but some. Amirov will not be traded given his health situation.

The Leafs no longer need to send Ritchie, and likely no longer need to send any salary assuming Miller comes with some retention, if they believe Muzzin will be out until the playoffs.

They will still need retention on Miller to make it happen, as otherwise they'd be in a position where they have to flip him in the offseason. Muzzin's LTIR could provide for Miller and a defensive upgrade.

 

[Flukeshot]

This is a pretty old take. He's actually been pretty adaptable in terms of changing his approach every year based on what the need is.

Needed D? Traded for Muzzin and signed Brodie.

Needed veteran leadership? Signed Spezza, Simmonds etc., in addition to veterans via trade like Muzzin.

Needed a backup goaltender? Traded for Campbell.

Needed more cheap forward depth? Signed Bunting, Kase, Kampf.

He doesn't blindly trade or sign offensive players every year while ignoring the rest of the team like so many people here suggest.

Personally I think it's fake news. I do think Dubas is smart enough to not use Muzzin's cap space to chase more scoring.

To your points, they are fair. But so far the Leafs haven't tried to have an abundance of talent on D. They have limited cap space and limited trade assets. With Muzzin out, it's pretty clear where those things need to be utilized at this moment.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Kerfoot, 1st, Niemela, Robertson, Amirov

Thanks

Otherwise we can keep him

4 1st round picks and a decent roster player for Miller?

 

[Rob Brown]

Personally I think it's fake news. I do think Dubas is smart enough to not use Muzzin's cap space to chase more scoring.

To your points, they are fair. But so far the Leafs haven't tried to have an abundance of talent on D. They have limited cap space and limited trade assets. With Muzzin out, it's pretty clear where those things need to be utilized at this moment.

Sorry, what's fake news?

Yes, I do agree that with Muzzin out that the clear need is for help on the back end vs. more forward help, at least in terms of the 'big name'. Maybe there will be a depth add up front but yeah I agree that if Dubas is going to acquire a big name it should be on D.

 

[Just a Fan]

I mean wouldn't the cost be roughly the same as Chychrun? Which would you rather have??

I posted that earlier, 1.5 years of Miller, or 3 more years of 23 year old Chychrun.

 

[banks]

I'd love to add Miller, as a Leafs fan. But if the cost to acquire is as high as this thread suggests (1st+Robertson+more), then I'd rather throw the kitchen sink at Chychrun.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Kessel and Subban is who I’d rather the leafs target with that space. Both would equal around 6 million if max retained

 

[Flukeshot]

Sorry, what's fake news?

Yes, I do agree that with Muzzin out that the clear need is for help on the back end vs. more forward help, at least in terms of the 'big name'. Maybe there will be a depth add up front but yeah I agree that if Dubas is going to acquire a big name it should be on D.

My original comment was Friedman's report that the Leafs want Miller is for clicks. It's fake.

With the added joke that if it somehow is true, than Dubas is a dumb.

I think it's scenario one.

 

[Just a Fan]

I feel like the defensive reconstruction occurs in the offseason, it'll be tough to find a whole 2nd pair right now

Not really, with Muzzin on LTIR, you can shoot for Chychrun with what folks are asking for Miller...move one of Holl/dermott for a pick to Arizona (or in the chychrun deal)....still room for another D...

 

[Just a Fan]

Kessel and Subban is who I’d rather the leafs target with that space. Both would equal around 6 million if max retained

Subban? Good God no.....

 

[Flukeshot]

For anyone interested they are discussing on 1050AM right now.

 

[Boondock]

Robertson/1st
Hirvonen/Kral
Kerfoot
Dermott
Future 4th

For

Miller
Schenn

My biased Canucks based opinion is that any Miller deal needs to include 1st, Niemela, +. This addresses some of the Canucks areas of weakness. Dermott and Kerfoot, while solid middle of the line-up players, they don't add enough value for the Canucks that it makes sense to diminish the other assets (for example Niemela down to Hirvonen). With other teams likely in the mix for Miller I wouldn't want to settle for maybe assets like Hirvonen/Kral or 3rd line LW and 3rd pairing D. I understand not wanting to give up higher end assets but players like Miller will require better assets than what is suggested here.