Prospect Info: Joshua Roy Part 2

[The Gr8 Dane]

I'm really not sure what the ceiling is for Roy. He's got tools for sure, but I don't know how much drive he has, and he needs to improve his skaitng.

I see the floor being Charles Hudon, which wouldn't be ideal, but pretty good still for a 5th round pick.

I mean AHL lifer who helps the farm team compete for a few years is NOT the worst thing you can draft in the 5th round.

That said I think Roy can do it , crack a middle 6 spot on a NHL roster

 

[BaseballCoach]

Yes, if hes doing great, in his 3rd season he can be called up, absolutely. Thats taking it slow with a guy. If hes up and down he should stay down though.

This is easier to say than to do.

If you want to avoid ups and downs, you stop either the ups or the downs.

If you stop the ups, then the player if he starts in the AHL, he never gets to the NHL. So you can't mean that.

You can of course limit the ups to ONE. If you bring him up, and send him down, it's forever. I don't know any clubs that have that policy, but if you succeed Kent Hughes you can try it and see how it works out. Good thing that this was never applied to Tage Thompson, who needed more than one crack at the NHL before finally succeeding.

Alternatively, you can limit the downs to one. Any player brought up from the AHL to the NHL never goes back. The choices if he struggles become:
a. play him ahead of more deserving players
b. sit him in the press box no matter how young he is
c. trade him
d. ask him to retire, and you will help him out by arranging a job at Costco for him

The above alternatives seem rigid and unworkable.

Thinking logically and realistically, callups can come for many reasons.

i. Emergency callups, there are injuries or illnesses in the short-term and a body is needed. It would not be realistic to expect the player called up to stay up indefinitely, so up and down seems necessary. PK Subban had two games with the HABS during his AHL season and it did not hurt him.

ii. Waiver exemption time is over and it's sink or swim. Usually this is a beginning of season decision, but there are exceptions. This will likely happen with RHP next year. If he does not make the team out of camp, he might be lost to waivers.

iii. A permanent spot has opened up with the big club due to, let's presume for a minute, a demotion, and an AHL player is judged ready. The problem is, the guy who was there before was ALSO judged ready at some point but things can change! How can you make a POLICY that you would not demote the player if it does not work out? How will you know if he will have success unless he tries?

All this to say that the only way your proposed policy in the statement I bolded would be practical would be to make sure you THINK the player is ready before sending him up (other than emergency recalls). But as long as you are willing to send him back down if he is not successful, then really your suggestion is not being followed.

Frankly, I don't think it can be rigidly followed.

I'm really not sure what the ceiling is for Roy. He's got tools for sure, but I don't know how much drive he has, and he needs to improve his skaitng.

I see the floor being Charles Hudon, which wouldn't be ideal, but pretty good still for a 5th round pick.

His coaches do not seem to note deficient drive. Both in Sherbrooke and with Team Canada, Roy is put out in the last minutes of games to protect a lead, and also in the last minutes of games where a goal is desperately needed.

Perhaps the coaches have not seen enough of him and his play compared to HFBoards posters.

 

[rahad]

I'm looking forward to an amazing third line of Farrell - Beck - Roy, unless Roy can be he one to retrieve pucks alongside Caufield and Zuzuki

Caufield - Suzuki - Dach
Slafkovsky - Dubois - Mesar
Farrell - Beck - Roy
RHP - Evans - Heineman

You forgot our franchise player Gallagher....

Seriously, the habs forward are so... small. If we draft another small forward in the 2023 draft. We will have the same problem as before.

 

[SOLR]

He will score more goals than Drouin, that, i'm sure about it.

It's not a high bar.

 

[1909]

I mean AHL lifer who helps the farm team compete for a few years is NOT the worst thing you can draft in the 5th round.

That said I think Roy can do it , crack a middle 6 spot on a NHL roster

The way Roy played at the last World Junior, is giving good indication that he will become a NHL player. Mid-six winger who can score 25+ goals per season and 60 + points. He will need a season at least at AHL level to establish himself like Pelletier in Calgary.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

You forgot our franchise player Gallagher....

Seriously, the habs forward are so... small. If we draft another small forward in the 2023 draft. We will have the same problem as before.

Same problem as before as in what? That all our forwards are ass? People say we were *too small* with that Gainey end / Bergevin beginning team but I am of the mindset that that team was just too ASS not too SMALL. Especially the forwards , who cares if they are small our forwards couldnt even crack 60 points for a decade outside of paciorrety/domi lmao

 

[rahad]

Same problem as before as in what? That all our forwards are ass? People say we were *too small* with that Gainey end / Bergevin beginning team but I am of the mindset that that team was just too ASS not too SMALL. Especially the forwards , who cares if they are small our forwards couldnt even crack 60 points for a decade outside of paciorrety lmao

You need the right balance between small forward and big one. We are getting smaller and smaller with forward.We got beat up hard in the playoff by bigger team. I can understand 2 or 3 small forward. But 4 or 5? Is a little bit to much.

 

[MasterD]

Perhaps the coaches have not seen enough of him and his play compared to HFBoards posters.

I litterally said "I don't know", no need to take jabs at posters all the time. Chill.

 

[MasterD]

You need the right balance between small forward and big one. We are getting smaller and smaller with forward.We got beat up hard in the playoff by bigger team. I can understand 2 or 3 small forward. But 4 or 5? Is a little bit to much.

True. But we have Dach as a mainstay, Slafkovsky should make it as a top 6 regular, Gallagher will end up on the LTIR or bought out. suzuki isn't too big but can take the physicality.

For now Anderson is there, we'll need 1 more big guy for the future. dubois is apparently coming over at some point... Heineman isn't small and can take the hits from what I've seen so far.

Farrell is promising, but he's not a mainstay in an NHL top 6 yet. Mesar I have high hopes for, but again, we'll see.

I'm not worried. We can always trade, high skills guys are always in demand.

 

[Mrb1p]

3rd season since being drafted, or 3rd season in AHL?

Since drafted

 

[Team_Spirit]

So that's 8 pts in 2 gp...Casual weekend for Joshua Roy.

And it's not over! 3 in 3 for Sherbrooke they play again this afternoon

 

[Team_Spirit]

2 more goals this afternoon, but let's talk about Filip Mesar

 

[SlafySZN]

You need the right balance between small forward and big one. We are getting smaller and smaller with forward.We got beat up hard in the playoff by bigger team. I can understand 2 or 3 small forward. But 4 or 5? Is a little bit to much.

We won’t see Mesar for at least 2 years, RHP is probably not gonna be a regular. The focus is getting talent right now, who cares about size.

 

[rahad]

We won’t see Mesar for at least 2 years, RHP is probably not gonna be a regular. The focus is getting talent right now, who cares about size.

The GM? He is building a competitive team for the playoff. Let not make the same mistake and build a more balanced team this time. The main goal is to win the Stanley Cup. We all saw what happen to Toronto vs Habs right? With player like Marner and Nylander running away from Hit. I understand why Hughes want to keep Anderson on the team. Will see where we end up in the 2023 draft. We could end up with Adam Fantilli or Carlsson.

 

[JianYang]

You need the right balance between small forward and big one. We are getting smaller and smaller with forward.We got beat up hard in the playoff by bigger team. I can understand 2 or 3 small forward. But 4 or 5? Is a little bit to much.

When you draft based on size before you focus on just plain on old talent... That's when you get draft picks like tinordi, mcarron, crisp etc.....

We've been down that road before. How about we just try to focus on talent first and foremost.... Nurture that talent, then we can worry about making moves to round out the roster as required while leveraging the abundance of accumulated assets (hopefully).

 

[SlafySZN]

When you draft based on size before you focus on just plain on old talent... That's when you get draft picks like tinordi, mcarron, crisp etc.....

We've been down that road before. How about we just try to focus on talent first and foremost.... Nurture that talent, then we can worry about making moves to round out the roster as required while leveraging the abundance of accumulated assets (hopefully).

This.

 

[rahad]

When you draft based on size before you focus on just plain on old talent... That's when you get draft picks like tinordi, mcarron, crisp etc.....

We've been down that road before. How about we just try to focus on talent first and foremost.... Nurture that talent, then we can worry about making moves to round out the roster as required while leveraging the abundance of accumulated assets (hopefully).

I never said, we should draft player for his size lol. I said having 4 or 6 smurf in the same position(forward) is a little bit to much. I has suggesting, we trade one or 2 small forward for another player ( Goalie? P.K specialist, Powerplay specialist...., Power forward)...

 

[SlafySZN]

I never said, we should draft player for his size lol. I said having 4 or 6 smurf in the same position(forward) is a little bit to much. I has suggesting, we trade one or 2 small forward for another player ( Goalie? P.K specialist, Powerplay specialist...., Power forward)...

The thing is they don’t have 4 or 6 small forwards..

 

[MasterD]

I never said, we should draft player for his size lol. I said having 4 or 6 smurf in the same position(forward) is a little bit to much. I has suggesting, we trade one or 2 small forward for another player ( Goalie? P.K specialist, Powerplay specialist...., Power forward)...

Let's cross that bridge if and when we make it there shall we

 

[Scriptor]

You forgot our franchise player Gallagher....

Seriously, the habs forward are so... small. If we draft another small forward in the 2023 draft. We will have the same problem as before.

We do have some small, talented players and the juggling act will be limiting them to one per line. Even then, I'd prefer they were replaced by equally talent, but larger players, but hey, it is what it is and talent trumps size.

 

[DAChampion]

But Roy isn't a Smurf?

 

[rahad]

The thing is they don’t have 4 or 6 small forwards..

Are you sure? Caufield, Mesar, RHP, Ferrell, Gallagher, 2023 draft (possibility) and Lane Hutson( playing D).

People talk as is impossible to draft or sign big player with talent. Our defense is the right balance of skill and size. Will se how the GM balance the roster.


Let go back to Joshua Roy discussion.

 

[Scriptor]

Are you sure? Caufield, Mesar, RHP, Ferrell, Gallagher, 2023 draft (possibility) and Lane Hutson( playing D).

People talk as is impossible to draft or sign big player with talent. Our defense is the right balance of skill and size. Will se how the GM balance the roster.


Let go back to Joshua Roy discussion.

Hutson - ?????
Guhle - Mailloux
Xhekaj - Barron
Harris

That's the D of the future, with the Habs needing a physical, two-=way, shutdown D to pair up with Hutson.

Hutson, at 5'10", would be the smallest d on the back end and Harris, as a third pairing D who sits at 5'11" would be the 2nd smallest D. There would be no two small Ds on the same pairing and styles would complement the pairings.

About as perfect a size/skill matchup as possible on the backend, with the possibility to mix and match according to game situations where we could see Mailloux and Hutson on the PP, foregoing some defensive acumen for offensive overload, or Guhle with Hutson's pairing partner for a shutdown pair when the game situation calls for it.

Up front, we should stop acting like MON is looking strictly to get small, skilled forwards at the draft. After all, HuGo just went against the grain the they selected Slafkovsky with their 1st OA pick in 2022.

Surely, unless we were to luck out on the Bedard Derby (he's 5'10", still), we'd likely pick one of Fantilli (6'2") or Carlsson (6'3") if we were to select in the top-3.

If MON ends up picking 7th or 8th OA and Michkov (5'10") had slipped to that rank, however, I wouldn't be surprised if the Habs did select the smaller natured winger since he is an exceptional talent and delaying his arrival in the NHL could provide both skill and an ELC contract at a time where HuGo would want to maximize their cap structure in order to keep an opening Cup window open for the longest possible time.

If it came down to adding Michkov, rather than a Fantilli or a Carlsson, we'd definitely need to reorganize the forward lineup.

That's why I believe that acquiring a power forward that can play C or W in Dubois becomes an important component to building a winning lineup.

With Dubois, Dach and Slafkovsky in the top-6, plus Suzuki who is strong and sturdy at 5'11" and 208 lbs, we would have a great mix of size and talent, even with Caufield and Michkov each on their own line.

Slafkovsky (6'3") - Dubois 6'2") - Michkov (5'10")
Caufield (5'7") - Suzuki (5'11") - Dach (6'4")

Farrel (5'9") - Beck (5'11") - Roy (6'0")

might not be the biggest line, but Farrell's motor would compensate for his smaller stature. Beck, at 5'11" and over 190 lbs, is another strong and sturdy C like Suzuki and his hockey IQ makes him a true competitor that is hard to play against. Roy, at 6'0", 193 lbs, has already demonstrated his skill in retrieving and protecting the puck.

That third line will likely play like a Pitbull.

RHP (5'9")- Evans (6'0") - Heineman (6'0")

may also not be the biggest 4th line, but it comes with speed and forechecking physicality in Evans and Heineman, plus, even, RHP who, despite his smaller stature, is not afraid to initiate contact, even winning a fair percentage of struggles for the loose puck, but, most importantly, knowing what to do with the puck when he comes up with it.

In this forecast of a roster, Mesar gets lost in the tussle and, likely, either becomes a replacement for RHP on the fourth line, bringing a gust of speed to that trio, or trade bait.

he could also beat out Farrell as a 3rd line fixture and Farrell could replace RHP on the fourth line?


Slafkovsky (6'3") - Dubois 6'2") - Michkov (5'10")
Caufield (5'7") - Suzuki (5'11") - Dach (6'4")
Roy (6'0") - Beck (5'11") - Mesar (5'9")
Farrel (5'9")- Evans (6'0") - Heineman (6'0")

There'd be a decent mix of size and skill in the top-6, lines that get the most TOI to begin with and any inclination for the third line would combine some puck retrieval skill, some shutdown skill and some speed or bite in the smaller player.

The fourth line, whichever form it ends up taking, will be a strong forechecking, energy line with defensive acumen and complementary offensive upside.

I like this balanced forward lineup, especially with the imposing size that still comes with skill on the backend, where Guhle, Xhekaj and Mailloux, plus whomever we acquire to play with Hutson will be able to bring a physical presence with some bite to the ice. Barron, for his part, will hold his own, without being necessarily intimidating, because of his style of play.

Hutson (5'10") - Grans, as an example (6'4")
Guhle (6'2") - Mailloux (6'3")
Xhekaj ( 6'4") - Barron (6'2")
Harris (5'11")

Plus, we forget, by the time Hutson hits the ice in Montreal, he could be over 6-Foot tall!?

 

[BaseballCoach]

Hutson - ?????
Guhle - Mailloux
Xhekaj - Barron
Harris

That's the D of the future, with the Habs needing a physical, two-=way, shutdown D to pair up with Hutson.

Hutson, at 5'10", would be the smallest d on the back end and Harris, as a third pairing D who sits at 5'11" would be the 2nd smallest D. There would be no two small Ds on the same pairing and styles would complement the pairings.

About as perfect a size/skill matchup as possible on the backend, with the possibility to mix and match according to game situations where we could see Mailloux and Hutson on the PP, foregoing some defensive acumen for offensive overload, or Guhle with Hutson's pairing partner for a shutdown pair when the game situation calls for it.

Up front, we should stop acting like MON is looking strictly to get small, skilled forwards at the draft. After all, HuGo just went against the grain the they selected Slafkovsky with their 1st OA pick in 2022.

Surely, unless we were to luck out on the Bedard Derby (he's 5'10", still), we'd likely pick one of Fantilli (6'2") or Carlsson (6'3") if we were to select in the top-3.

If MON ends up picking 7th or 8th OA and Michkov (5'10") had slipped to that rank, however, I wouldn't be surprised if the Habs did select the smaller natured winger since he is an exceptional talent and delaying his arrival in the NHL could provide both skill and an ELC contract at a time where HuGo would want to maximize their cap structure in order to keep an opening Cup window open for the longest possible time.

If it came down to adding Michkov, rather than a Fantilli or a Carlsson, we'd definitely need to reorganize the forward lineup.

That's why I believe that acquiring a power forward that can play C or W in Dubois becomes an important component to building a winning lineup.

With Dubois, Dach and Slafkovsky in the top-6, plus Suzuki who is strong and sturdy at 5'11" and 208 lbs, we would have a great mix of size and talent, even with Caufield and Michkov each on their own line.

Slafkovsky (6'3") - Dubois 6'2") - Michkov (5'10")
Caufield (5'7") - Suzuki (5'11") - Dach (6'4")

Farrel (5'9") - Beck (5'11") - Roy (6'0")

might not be the biggest line, but Farrell's motor would compensate for his smaller stature. Beck, at 5'11" and over 190 lbs, is another strong and sturdy C like Suzuki and his hockey IQ makes him a true competitor that is hard to play against. Roy, at 6'0", 193 lbs, has already demonstrated his skill in retrieving and protecting the puck.

That third line will likely play like a Pitbull.

RHP (5'9")- Evans (6'0") - Heineman (6'0")

may also not be the biggest 4th line, but it comes with speed and forechecking physicality in Evans and Heineman, plus, even, RHP who, despite his smaller stature, is not afraid to initiate contact, even winning a fair percentage of struggles for the loose puck, but, most importantly, knowing what to do with the puck when he comes up with it.

In this forecast of a roster, Mesar gets lost in the tussle and, likely, either becomes a replacement for RHP on the fourth line, bringing a gust of speed to that trio, or trade bait.

he could also beat out Farrell as a 3rd line fixture and Farrell could replace RHP on the fourth line?


Slafkovsky (6'3") - Dubois 6'2") - Michkov (5'10")
Caufield (5'7") - Suzuki (5'11") - Dach (6'4")
Roy (6'0") - Beck (5'11") - Mesar (5'9")
Farrel (5'9")- Evans (6'0") - Heineman (6'0")

There'd be a decent mix of size and skill in the top-6, lines that get the most TOI to begin with and any inclination for the third line would combine some puck retrieval skill, some shutdown skill and some speed or bite in the smaller player.

The fourth line, whichever form it ends up taking, will be a strong forechecking, energy line with defensive acumen and complementary offensive upside.

I like this balanced forward lineup, especially with the imposing size that still comes with skill on the backend, where Guhle, Xhekaj and Mailloux, plus whomever we acquire to play with Hutson will be able to bring a physical presence with some bite to the ice. Barron, for his part, will hold his own, without being necessarily intimidating, because of his style of play.

Hutson (5'10") - Grans, as an example (6'4")
Guhle (6'2") - Mailloux (6'3")
Xhekaj ( 6'4") - Barron (6'2")
Harris (5'11")

Plus, we forget, by the time Hutson hits the ice in Montreal, he could be over 6-Foot tall!?

Lane Hutson will not be taller than 5-10.

Michkov has chosen the KHL over the NHL. Pass.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Same problem as before as in what? That all our forwards are ass? People say we were *too small* with that Gainey end / Bergevin beginning team but I am of the mindset that that team was just too ASS not too SMALL. Especially the forwards , who cares if they are small our forwards couldnt even crack 60 points for a decade outside of paciorrety/domi lmao

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