Prospect Info: Joshua Roy Part 2

[The Real Timo]

Futur Justin Williams

Hopefully without the eye carving part.

 

[Kennerback]

He’s improved his skating, but he can improve it even more. That he wins the scoring championship in the Q has no importance. He’ll be a pro if he can get his skating to a decent level. Just get a skating coach and practice it non stop.

 

[jfm133]

Bergevin was never given a rebuild mandate. He was given a fake reset mandate, and he did well accumulating draft picks and it helped Timmins to do a better job. I say he was given a fake reset mandate because not long after they made the awful hostile offer to Aho and it was based on an hypothetic financial vulnerability of the Canes owner. This did not come from Bergevin, it came from Molson and/or co-owners. So impossible to compare HuGo to Bergevin. In 2012 Molson did not want to hear about a rebuild. Now he seems to have finally understood the reality of the NHL.

You see it the same as me. Because Bergevin had long term vision flaws and didn't get us where we wanted to go, it's spinned into him being horrible at everything. Same with Timmins.

Why can't the truth be in the middle vs it being overly one sided at opposite ends? I just don't get it. There is always someone in the target window I guess. Someone has to always be "blamed"

 

[Team_Spirit]

Insane how a billion dollar company invested so few in it's product...

The hockey equivalent of buying back shares instead of investing in R&D.

The guys hired Franky and Ramage did next to nothing. A nutrition pdf and a call...you might get a visit as a top100 or local pick. Bouillon said himself on french tv he did not do much. Adam Nicholas and the other hires are next level. Bergevin fanboys are hilarious.

 

[Kennerback]

I clearly see he’s improved his skating since the last WJC. Yes he got a great WJC but he’ll burn himself if he’s satisfied with that level of skating. He has high offensive IQ that he can’t lose. He has it. But the skating technique needs to be everything in his life from now on.

 

[Colezuki]

You believe that cr*p. Anyway, Ramage and Bouillon are still there and they are from the Bergevin era. There is a lot of magical thinking from the anti-Bergevin crowd since HuGo took over. We see it with Saint-Louis now, the magician is a mere human. Also, Adman Nicholas has no secret recipe to turn average AHL players into good NHL ones. I am not taking anything away from the new people, except Bobrov, but this idea that a seismic change happened in hockey ops is BS. Except for Bobrov allthe scouts are the same, as I said, Ramage and Bouillon are still there, Burrows, Letowski, J-F Houle are still there. So give us a break.

No, the original group was just understaffed and didn’t have time to focus. If you honestly think about it how much time does it take to properly evaluate a players game without an analytics department and then put a training plan together. Probably upwards of 5 games for each player. Which isn’t feasible for the original group of three guys. Since then theyve built out the department, there will be ups and downs but the team is definitely way ahead of where it was a year ago in terms of prospect performance.

 

[jfm133]

Suzuki, Caufield, Guhle, Harris, Xehkaj, Slafkovsky, they all made it directly to the NHL after playing two or more years at lower levels post first draft eligibility, all except for Slaf, which should tell us something. Again, many are confusing natural maturation with developpment. Hockey is not rocket science. There is no developpment miracle, it's always confused with players that were far from their maturation ceiling when drafted, while most busts were closer than expected to their maturation ceiling. Maturation involves physical and mental aspects of a player. The things Roy needed to improve upon were visible to anybody that knows hockey a little and what he still need to work upon is also visible.

He improved his skating since drafted, but he still need to improve if he aims to become a very good player. He reminds me so much of Suzuki in that regard. Both still needed to improve their speed at 19, both were cerebral players that needed to be more involved physically. Please, remember what Suzuki was just after his WJC at 19. Some were talking about bust possibility and skills good enough for the OHL, but that would not translate to NHL. Forget the Suzuki you know today. Remember the 19.5 years old one.

 

[jfm133]

Sorry, all that is BS. It's a marginal improvement at best. 90% of the outcome is within the player at the draft, talent, will, mental strenght, and remaining natural maturation from ceiling. For example, take Lane Hutson, it's asimple example. He has talent and will, likely mental strenght, but the key is how far is he from the ceiling of his physical maturation. No coaching or development will change that. They factor for him is to grow physically, if he does,he has the other aspects.

No, the original group was just understaffed and didn’t have time to focus. If you honestly think about it how much time does it take to properly evaluate a players game without an analytics department and then put a training plan together. Probably upwards of 5 games for each player. Which isn’t feasible for the original group of three guys. Since then theyve built out the department, there will be ups and downs but the team is definitely way ahead of where it was a year ago in terms of prospect performance.

 

[Miller Time]

Roy currently playing at a level clearly above Shane Wright...

Wright clearly possesses greater physical tools.

So the question becomes, which player progresses further from now till they hit their pro prime level.

I'd put money on Roy. He clearly has had the hockey talent for years, but in the past two he has figured out the grit side of making the most of one's attributes...

Going to be a fun prospect to watch develop over the next 2-3yrs

 

[sheed36]

Roy was on Melnick's show earlier today. Here's the audio link if you'd like to take a listen.

Roy: I'm happy with how I played

Canadiens prospect Joshua Roy joins the show a day after helping Team Canada win the gold medal at the World Junior Hockey Championships

www.tsn.ca

 

[gusfring]

Still not convinced in Roy as an NHLer. Hope I am wrong.

 

[Zilo44]

Still not convinced in Roy as an NHLer. Hope I am wronyet there i

Yet there is not much more he can do in junior to prove you otherwise

 

[26Mats]

Roy currently playing at a level clearly above Shane Wright...

Wright clearly possesses greater physical tools.

So the question becomes, which player progresses further from now till they hit their pro prime level.

I'd put money on Roy. He clearly has had the hockey talent for years, but in the past two he has figured out the grit side of making the most of one's attributes...

Going to be a fun prospect to watch develop over the next 2-3yrs

Skating, skating, skating

 

[CHwest]

The hockey equivalent of buying back shares instead of investing in R&D.

The guys hired Franky and Ramage did next to nothing. A nutrition pdf and a call...you might get a visit as a top100 or local pick. Bouillon said himself on french tv he did not do much. Adam Nicholas and the other hires are next level. Bergevin fanboys are hilarious.

And they won't go away. Anyway Bergie is happy running coffee for the staff in LA. Better than flipping burgers.

 

[Zilo44]

And they won't go away. Anyway Bergie is happy running coffee for the staff in LA. Better than flipping burgers.

Bergevin had strengths, but prospect development was not one of them.

 

[Miller Time]

Skating, skating, skating

Meh... Was more than adequate vs the best of his generation.

If he had another gear right now, we'd be talking about Roy being a lock first line/elite future NHLer... A level he may well achieve even despite his less than elite skating level.

 

[26Mats]

Meh... Was more than adequate vs the best of his generation.

If he had another gear right now, we'd be talking about Roy being a lock first line/elite future NHLer... A level he may well achieve even despite his less than elite skating level.

Let's hope. Skating just seems to be the only thing that could potentially hold him back from various levels of success. But it's a biggy...

 

[Scriptor]

If this is the new approach of this new development team... then it's absolutely mind boggling that the previous crew wouldn't do this. Isn't this, like, the basic of development? Telling prospects what they need to work on?

Bedard said that Roy is the smartest player he has ever played with.

Yes. They just let the player do whatever.

I don't think this is true at all. An easy pot shot, not much else. Prior management and development team sent Suzuki back to Juniors with the mission to work on the pace of his game, exactly what they told Roy this time around with new management and a new development team.

 

[Steve Shutt]

Can Roy play for next year's World Junior Team?

 

[Adam Michaels]

Can Roy play for next year's World Junior Team?

No. He'll turn 20 in August.

He'll be in Montreal or Laval next year.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Meh... Was more than adequate vs the best of his generation.

If he had another gear right now, we'd be talking about Roy being a lock first line/elite future NHLer... A level he may well achieve even despite his less than elite skating level.

After seeing him in that tournament, I think he becomes a regular with the big team next season.

 

[Habs Icing]

No. He'll turn 20 in August.

He'll be in Montreal or Laval next year.

I'm a big fan of this kid but no way will he be in Montreal next year. He needs at least one year in Laval. For two reasons. To acclimatize himself to the pros and to continue improving on his skating.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Bedard said that Roy is the smartest player he has ever played with.

High praise indeed from a seventeen year old.

 

[BLONG7]

Roy is getting some high praise from alot of people.................I have friends who are Leaf fans, who are thiking this kid was a draft steal..........so far so good.
Habs or Laval next year?

 

[Adam Michaels]

I'm a big fan of this kid but no way will he be in Montreal next year. He needs at least one year in Laval. For two reasons. To acclimatize himself to the pros and to continue improving on his skating.

Yea of course. I was only saying that he will be in the pros next year.