Prospect Info: Joshua Roy Part 2

[26Mats]

Debatable

In their heydays, I'd pick Toews over both Kane and Keith. Toews was an absolute even-strength monster on the road, a huge advantage for a team to have.

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With our pick, I'd just rather the next Kaprizov over the next, say, Ryan Johansson in Nashville.

The point being, I'd look for talent first and size at center 2nd.

 

[Colezuki]

definitely. But there is room for one of each of them on each of the top 3 lines/in the top 9.

CC - Suzuki - Dach
Roy - Mesar - Slafkovsky
Farrell - Beck - Heineman

(and we should get some more good prospects in the upcoming draft... in addition to Ylonen, Rohrer, Guidon, etc...)

Mesar should be traded for a high end player, someone like Dubois we can’t just draft our way to success otherwise will end up like the rangers who demolished the value of there top 2 draft choices by having to have them play on the 3rd line

 

[Habs13]

What's the difference between when we were stucked with Gomez and now stucked with Gallagher?
The same solution could be applyed.

About $1.5M dollars

I don't get why so many people want to trade for Dubois - he's going to sign another one-year deal and be a UFA the following off-season. If he really wants to play here, he will.

 

[Yoshidas Island]

About $1.5M dollars

I don't get why so many people want to trade for Dubois - he's going to sign another one-year deal and be a UFA the following off-season. If he really wants to play here, he will.

The idea I think is you'd trade for him with an long-term contract already agreed to.

 

[jfm133]

Roy has vision, hockey IQ and anticipation that Lekhonen can only dream of. But hey, there will be doubters on Roy until he clearly proves himself at the NHL level. The 5th rounder tag is still on him. Late round picks never get the benefit of the doubt, even those like Roy that clearly proved that it was a big mistake by the whole league to let them fall that low. Old Patriots fan here, I still remember the fuss when Belichick did not give back Drew Bledsoe his starting job and stuck with Tom Brady the 6th rounder. I don't say Roy will become a hockey equivalent of Brady. I just say that he will be accepted only after he clearly proved his value at the NHL level.

I think Roy could be a good 2-way player playing on a 3rd line, and showing his smarts. We know he is not a super-skater but not everyone has to play like a chicken with their head cut off.

Lehkonen is not "fast" but he is smartk determined and a team guy. Roy has a better shot.

 

[MasterD]

Roy has vision, hockey IQ and anticipation that Lekhonen can only dream of. But hey, there will be doubters on Roy until he clearly proves himself at the NHL level. The 5th rounder tag is still on him. Late round picks never get the benefit of the doubt, even those like Roy that clearly proved that it was a big mistake by the whole league to let them fall that low. Old Patriots fan here, I still remember the fuss when Belichick did not give back Drew Bledsoe his starting job and stuck with Tom Brady the 6th rounder. I don't say Roy will become a hockey equivalent of Brady. I just say that he will be accepted only after he clearly proved his value at the NHL level.

Roy fell in a COVID draft yesterday where most players were misjudged. There will be a bunch of late picks that make it, and a bunch of high picks what disappoint.

Also some guys will do well despite the time off. Maybe better. For other guys, barely playing for two years might have derailed their careers.

He still hasn’t proven anything at the professional level though. He could be a very good NHLer, or Corey Locke. We’ll see.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Roy has vision, hockey IQ and anticipation that Lekhonen can only dream of. But hey, there will be doubters on Roy until he clearly proves himself at the NHL level. The 5th rounder tag is still on him. Late round picks never get the benefit of the doubt, even those like Roy that clearly proved that it was a big mistake by the whole league to let them fall that low. Old Patriots fan here, I still remember the fuss when Belichick did not give back Drew Bledsoe his starting job and stuck with Tom Brady the 6th rounder. I don't say Roy will become a hockey equivalent of Brady. I just say that he will be accepted only after he clearly proved his value at the NHL level.

Is there any other way to be 'accepted' than proving his value at the NHL level? Regardless of their draft position, every player's acceptance is ultimately based on their performance in the NHL. Why should Roy be any different?

 

[MasterD]

About $1.5M dollars

I don't get why so many people want to trade for Dubois - he's going to sign another one-year deal and be a UFA the following off-season. If he really wants to play here, he will.

If you know you have Suzuki and Dubois, it influences who you sign and who you draft.

 

[jfm133]

Don't play on words. You understood what I said. High draft picks are considered highly with little doubts on what they will end up being, until some of them fail. And along the way we will see all sorts of excuses to rationalize why some are underperforming. In the case of a guy like Roy, it's the opposite, all his successes will be doubted, all kind of reasons will be put forward to explain why he is so good despite the fact that he was picked at #150.

Is there any other way to be 'accepted' than proving his value at the NHL level? Regardless of their draft position, every player's acceptance is ultimately based on their performance in the NHL. Why should Roy be any different?

 

[Gillings]

With our 2023 1st round pick, not sure mesar will have a top 6 role.

They better be willing to develop Mesar as good as they can if they are drafting his so called replacement this year. If not it’s a wasted pick and wasted trade chip

 

[26Mats]

Mesar should be traded for a high end player, someone like Dubois we can’t just draft our way to success otherwise will end up like the rangers who demolished the value of there top 2 draft choices by having to have them play on the 3rd line

Rangers were trending upward with Gorton at the helm. Then they traded the likes of Busnevitch for Blais... They're on the decline talent wise...

At any rate, note that Mesar doesn't get you Dubois... The Jets will want a Dubois level NHL ready player for him, unless their hand is forced by the Dubois camp, which it isn't at the moment. They won't panic. They'll wait until the last possible moment he's about to become a UFA to get fair value.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Don't play on words. You understood what I said. High draft picks are considered highly with little doubts on what they will end up being, until some of them fail. And along the way we will see all sorts of excuses to rationalize why some are underperforming. In the case of a guy like Roy, it's the opposite, all his successes will be doubted, all kind of reasons will be put forward to explain why he is so good despite the fact that he was picked at #150.

Play on words or not, the acid test is performance at the NHL level. Whatever a player's pedigree, fail to produce and you are soon an afterthought. Ask Alexis Lafreniere if his past successes and high draft selection has shielded him from criticism. There are legions of Ranger fans that are lamenting the drafting of Lafreniere before Stutzle. Fans expectations or lack thereof will not impact Roy's ultimate success at the NHL level. He will be the sole author of his destiny. As it should be.

 

[jfm133]

Lafrenière is criticized only now after two years and a half in the NHL. When he was chosen first overall, nobody was criticizing him. He was seen as a can't miss prospect, which he still is.

Play on words or not, the acid test is performance at the NHL level. Whatever a player's pedigree, fail to produce and you are soon an afterthought. Ask Alexis Lafreniere if his past successes and high draft selection has shielded him from criticism. There are legions of Ranger fans that are lamenting the drafting of Lafreniere before Stutzle. Fans expectations or lack thereof will not impact Roy's ultimate success at the NHL level. He will be the sole author of his destiny. As it should be.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Lafrenière is criticized only now after two years and a half in the NHL. When he was chosen first overall, nobody was criticizing him. He was seen as a can't miss prospect, which he still is.

Really? Many were criticizing his lack of dynamic skating and questioned his ultimate upside at the NHL level prior to the 2020 draft. I think you may well find a handful or so of Ranger fans who would question your assessment that Lafreniere remains a can't miss prospect. Just for the record, this can't miss prospect was a healthy scratch last game.

 

[jfm133]

Half a point per game at just 21 playing bottom-6. Yes. He is still a can't miss prospect. Will end up a point per game player.

Really? Many were criticizing his lack of dynamic skating and questioned his ultimate upside at the NHL level prior to the 2020 draft. I think you may well find a handful or so of Ranger fans who would question your assessment that Lafreniere remains a can't miss prospect. Just for the record, this can't miss prospect was a healthy scratch last game.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Half a point per game at just 21 playing bottom-6. Yes. He is still a can't miss prospect. Will end up a point per game player.

Can't miss prospect or not, I think the Rangers would trade him in a New York second for either Stutzle or Sanderson.

 

[Colezuki]

Rangers were trending upward with Gorton at the helm. Then they traded the likes of Busnevitch for Blais... They're on the decline talent wise...

At any rate, note that Mesar doesn't get you Dubois... The Jets will want a Dubois level NHL ready player for him, unless their hand is forced by the Dubois camp, which it isn't at the moment. They won't panic. They'll wait until the last possible moment he's about to become a UFA to get fair value.

I wouldn’t expect mesar alone to get Dubois, I’d say something like mesar, + Barron/Harris + the return for monahan + whatever to get the value to a 1st

 

[Sagikev]

Kucherov, Palat, Point, Cirelli

They also had T Johnson for a while... They literally iced the triplet line Height is overrated often times. If a player helps you win, he helps you win.

 

[DailyKaizen]

Roy fell in a COVID draft yesterday where most players were misjudged. There will be a bunch of late picks that make it, and a bunch of high picks what disappoint.

Also some guys will do well despite the time off. Maybe better. For other guys, barely playing for two years might have derailed their careers.

He still hasn’t proven anything at the professional level though. He could be a very good NHLer, or Corey Locke. We’ll see.

Ah yes Corey Locke!

 

[BenchBrawl]

Great shot from Roy to make it 1-0, with a pass from Bedard. One can only dream of reuniting these two for the next decade ...

Can't watch the game right now, just saw the highlight on Twitter.

 

[montreal]

Great shot from Roy to make it 1-0, with a pass from Bedard. One can only dream of reuniting these two for the next decade ...

Can't watch the game right now, just saw the highlight on Twitter.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Great shot from Roy to make it 1-0, with a pass from Bedard. One can only dream of reuniting these two for the next decade ...

Can't watch the game right now, just saw the highlight on Twitter.

Imagine Suzuki and CC on the second line on that club.

 

[LaP]

Ah yes Corey Locke!

Locke was 5'4 with his skate on.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Half a point per game at just 21 playing bottom-6. Yes. He is still a can't miss prospect. Will end up a point per game player.

That may depend on if the coach is replaced.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I wouldn’t expect mesar alone to get Dubois, I’d say something like mesar, + Barron/Harris + the return for monahan + whatever to get the value to a 1st

We really value Dubois highly on this board don't we.

I guess Brayden Schenn was traded for 2 firsts plus....but he was a better player and the picks were bottom 10.