Prospect Info: Joshua Roy Part 2
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Demidov is a HAB
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Gotcha. Actually I am not informed enough to know what the rules or value are for a guy without a contract next summer… But yeah, I guess we agree the Jets probably keep him for the duration of this season (too bad they have a good team I guess).
Also I just noticed this is the Roy thread, sry
What are the odds Roy gets a shot at left wing with the habs at the end of the season?
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
I think he'll go start to the AHL with Laval and help them out.
Farrell will be playing games in the top 6 after his NCAA career ends.
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I have a hard time gauging his foot speed. He knows where to go to follow the pace ahead of the play so he looks slow, but I’ve seen him match the speed of a few opposing D on 50-50 pucks.
I always found Toffoli to look even slower than what Roy looks like at the wjc (in comparison to his nhl peers, not necessarily 1:1, I can’t tell).
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Nobody said Dvorak is the main piece.
Dvorak + Harris + late 1st in 2023 is a good package for a team like Winnipeg who wants to still compete, in exchange for a player on which it has no control whatsoever. Either they take a package for Dubois this summer or they keep him for another run next season and get nothing for him. Although, another strong possibility is they keep him and wait until next years TDL to see if they go for another run or trade him as a pure rental. If i'm the GM, that's what i do
I think their playoffs run this season will determine what they will do. If they go far, they probably keep him for next year. If they go out in the 1st round, they probably trade him this summer.
But Winnipeg as a lot of decisions to make other than PLD. They will have the same problem with Scheifele and Hellebuyck.
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Cheers. Farrell is another legend for me like Struble.
I really wish there was a simple way to watch all the leagues. (Dumb question— are all ncaa games broadcast?)
edit - found this
So Harvard and Boston U for Farrell and Hutson sry, I don’t follow prospects like many here)
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You think Farrell plays with the Habs at the end of his NCAA season? That would be interesting to watch.
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Yeah he probably ends up a bit under ppg. But the fact that he never reached more than 61 pts in a season, on a shitty team, is not a testament of him not being a ppg player. He is still only 24. Majority of players start to hit their prime at that age.
So let's say he is or could be a 30 goals, 70 pts, 24 yo center/LW with size. He would become our best player with Suzuki and Caufield. By nome means a quick fix.
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It’s a shortcut/quick fix if you start trading picks and prospects for him.
If he wants to come here, fine. UFA on a cheaper deal. But we shouldn’t disrupt what we’re doing.
We’ve got a good shot at a lottery pick. Don’t mess it up. And if we got lucky and got Berard or Fantilliy then we really don’t need this guy.
Just let the draft play out. No quick fixes please.
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Depends what the ask for him is. I agree with you in principle for sure.
If you could add him for secondary pieces without giving up any of the core or Top-16 picks in the upcoming draft, I think it could be worth the price simply to guarantee his addition to the team.
Even with guys like Fantilli or Carlsson in the draft, adding Dubois doesn’t hurt. Having a guy that can score 60-70pts only helps these young guys develop and give them a strong player to play with early in their career.
We’ve been so starved for offense for so long, the idea of adding a PLD for secondary pieces is a price I’d be willing to pay.
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Dach, CC, Slaf… plus whatever we add in the draft. We’ll have to think about payroll. And PLD is not a star player - what is he going to want to get paid? I don’t want to add another non star for 8 million….
Dach/Slaf could end up as chips to acquire top-4 d-men.
Acquiring premium assets below market value just about never ends badly.
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With the cap going up alot in the next few years, star players will earn 12-14M$ per. There are talks of Matthews looking at 15M$ per for his next contract.
EDIT : right now, there are 50 players with a 8M$+ salary
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Roy is only a few months older than Wright. At this point, they are the same age. They are currently playing on the same team. Roy is playing better, isn't he? I didn't watch yesterday's game though, so please someone correct me if I'm wrong. No one seems impressed by Wright's play, other than one great pass he made.
So why would I trade Roy for Wright?
are you kidding me? if Seattle offered Wright for Roy straight up Hugo takes it in a second. if for anything else Wright could then be flipped to numerous teams for "a lot" more than Roy.
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But why trade for him if you arenlt contending and you can just sign him the following season… Also if we trade for him MTL will have all the pressure to sign him, he will be able to ask for what ever he want with full control. if he is a UFA he will also have full control and MTL will have pressure to put a significant offer but ultimately if he doesn’t sign MTL fan can’t hold it against the team. all that talk about wanting to come to MTL will either be proven true or BS / negotiating tactics.
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I've seen very little from Wright since I watched video montages of him before the draft. I wonder if he's still allergic to carrying the puck.
Fair to assume that PLD comes in around the same price as Suzuki/Caufield which would be totally reasonable.
I’d rather have those 3 at 24m of the cap than Marner/Matthews who are nearly the same % of the cap.
People would’ve been saying the same about trading Ryan Strome for Ondej Palat in 2011.
Wright has more paper value than Roy today, that means nothing for 5 years from now.
Roy seems to have higher hockey IQ than Wright by a fair margin, and their shots are comparable. Roy has far more creativity in his game. It’s an interesting story to watch moving forward, to be honest.
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I don't know that I would necessarily agree with the original poster that you are quoting as Wright has been very good as well as others but I would say that Roy is definitely in the conversation as the 2nd best forward so far. Stankoven has two more points but Roy is taking almost all of the F3 responsibilities on that line and making a greater overall impact by being such a great play connector and providing constant support up and down the ice.
I would declare with a high level of confidence that Fantilli is not in this conversation as I think Roy, Stankoven, Guenther and Gaucher have been better. I do like his game but he needs to learn to slow the game down a little. Fantilli reminds me a little of a young Mike Modano with the size/speed/skill package but he will need to maximize his potential to get there.
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WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
Cause what if we don't, someone acquires him as a rental and he likes it, has a good run there and decides to sign long term.
A late first from the Monahan trade and Dvorak for Dubois signed long term is well worth it. Rather than leave anything to chances
Conservative comparable for Roy is Toffoli, but his ceiling is higher if he reaches it. He is already faster than Toffoli and seems to be a better playmaker. But as a sniper it's similar. That being said, being and early fan of Roy, funny to see some would not trade him for Wright now.
