Prospect Info: Joshua Roy Part 2

[BJCOLLINS]

Pace, pace and pace.......this is the key to his future.

He’s got some Jekyll&Hyde in him.

I know it’s juniors but some games he’s got effortless talent and a sharp IQ then has other games & it’s a struggle to win a puck battle????????

Remember Jeremy Roenick? When he was “dialed” in, he was money.

 

[Tyson]

17 points in 7 games

 

[BenchBrawl]

He’s got some Jekyll&Hyde in him.

I know it’s juniors but some games he’s got effortless talent and a sharp IQ then has other games & it’s a struggle to win a puck battle????????

Remember Jeremy Roenick? When he was “dialed” in, he was money.

Roenick in Chicago was phenomenal. He was very good in Phoenix and Philly too, but his knees were not what they used to be IIRC. In Chicago, one of the most spectacular player I've seen. He was intense and exciting. Physical, decent defensively, and extremely skilled.

 

[Mrb1p]

I saw Roy missing some assingments during camp, I saw him not reading how the play develop very well at times too, I saw him a bit lost in his own zone in the Q as well... I think you are confounding IQ with offensive creativity and vision.

For me Kidney has a very high IQ, he is just weak. Roy's IQ is decent, but not particulary high.

So you saw Roy do the same thing as Slaf.

Both are low iq bust?

 

[QuebecPride]

Alright, here's my little review of Roy`s game on Friday.

Keep in mind this was vs. SJ, a poor team by my account given they went all in for the memorial cup last season.

Sherbrooke looked way better than them at all positions.

It was a little easy for Roy, on the PP he had a lot of time to set up plays. His pass on Ethan Gauthier`s goal was beautiful. Gautheir just had to lay his blade and it went in. On his goal he displayed nice patience as you can see in the thread.

 

[tooji]

Alright, here's my little review of Roy`s game on Friday.

Keep in mind this was vs. SJ, a poor team by my account given they went all in for the memorial cup last season.

Sherbrooke looked way better than them at all positions.

It was a little easy for Roy, on the PP he had a lot of time to set up plays. His pass on Ethan Gauthier`s goal was beautiful. Gautheir just had to lay his blade and it went in. On his goal he displayed nice patience as you can see in the thread.

It’s unfortunate because I wish Roy could play in the AHL. He has too much time and space in Junior, hope it doesn’t build bad habits

 

[Nicko999]

Why even hire scouts if all we have to do is google their stats to know who the best prospect is.

Exactly... that's why Connor Bedard is going to be 1st overall pick next year. Because he won't have good stats.


Whether people like it or not stats are the single most important thing when evaluating a player. The goal is to score more goals than the other team to win after all.
Or else you end with good "defensive" specialist as we have had plenty of in the last 30 years on this team.

 

[Vachon23]

Exactly... that's why Connor Bedard is going to be 1st overall pick next year. Because he won't have good stats.


Whether people like it or not stats are the single most important thing when evaluating a player. The goal is to score more goals than the other team to win after.
Or else you end with good "defensive" specialist as we have had plenty of in the last 30 years on this team.

I’m sorry don’t want to be rude, but that’s a really BAD take.

Tools are WAY more important then stats. Stats can be influence by so many things , most of the scouts don’t even look at them

 

[Nicko999]

I’m sorry don’t want to be rude, but that’s a really BAD take.

Tools are WAY more important then stats. Stats can be influence by so many things , most of the scouts don’t even look at them

Good stats will show you have a good tools (or toolbox).

Just look at McDavid's stats and you can tell he has all the tools. You could assume he is the best NHL player even if you have never watched him.

Now go check Gallagher's stats (in recent years) and you can tell he provides nothing if you have never seen him play.



Same applies here, Roy' production in the Q shows is has the tools to be an impactful player. It still remains to be seen at the NHL level but the ceiling is sky high that’s for sure.

 

[GobigorGohome]

Good stats will show you have a good tools (or toolbox).

Just look at McDavid's stats and you can tell he has all the tools. You could assume he is the best NHL player even if you have never watched him.

Now go check Gallagher's stats (in recent years) and you can tell he provides nothing if you have never seen him play.



Same applies here, Roy' production in the Q shows is has the tools to be an impactful player. It still remains to be seen at the NHL level but the ceiling is sky high that’s for sure.

Roy is a MEH NHL prospect.He will be AHL or Euro league career.Nothing stands out .Average to below size and strength Average skating and a perimeter player,Add to that he had a terrible training camp.No way to sugar coat it

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Give me a player with smarts any day of the week over many of the speedy robot types that fill so many jerseys.

How about obtaining players that are both smart and speedy.

 

[OldCraig71]

How about obtaining players that are both smart and speedy.

That would be good as well.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Roy is a MEH NHL prospect.He will be AHL or Euro league career.Nothing stands out .Average to below size and strength Average skating and a perimeter player,Add to that he had a terrible training camp.No way to sugar coat it

Im sure he's a terrible goalscorer and passer with his garbage stats of 51 goals and 68 assists last season

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Im sure he's a terrible goalscorer and passer with his garbage stats of 51 goals and 68 assists last season

Sure sounds terrible.

 

[DAChampion]

How about obtaining players that are both smart and speedy.

Roy was a fifth round draft pick.

 

[QuebecPride]

It’s unfortunate because I wish Roy could play in the AHL. He has too much time and space in Junior, hope it doesn’t build bad habits

It's fine that he's in the 'Q. He can still work on his defensive positioning, etc. I'd like Sherbrooke to use him on PK as well just to develop that part of his game. With his anticipation he could be useful there.

 

[The Great Weal]

Ya he's gonna have video game like point totals this year, just needs to focus on the skating instead. We already know he's talented.

 

[26Mats]

It's fine that he's in the 'Q. He can still work on his defensive positioning, etc. I'd like Sherbrooke to use him on PK as well just to develop that part of his game. With his anticipation he could be useful there.

Skating, skating, and more skating. The hockey IQ is there. Just needs to work in skating. I wonder if taking figure skating lessons would help. A lot of Russians ( like Kovalev) did that when they were young. Not sure if it helps at this late age.

 

[montreal]

I think people mix up his skating with his style of play, he doesn't move his feet enough as he likes to slow things down, not saying his skating doesn't need work.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Exactly... that's why Connor Bedard is going to be 1st overall pick next year. Because he won't have good stats.


Whether people like it or not stats are the single most important thing when evaluating a player. The goal is to score more goals than the other team to win after all.
Or else you end with good "defensive" specialist as we have had plenty of in the last 30 years on this team.

Most top CHL scorers are NHL busts by a large margin so clearly stat watching is a dumb way to rate players. Stats are 100% irrelevant without plenty of context it is far more important how a player scores points as opposed to how many points. In order to acquire this context you need qualified scouts watching live games in person.

Your Bedard comment is plain dumb......there is a reason Dumais wasn't remotely considered in the first two rounds and was within two picks of being selected in the 4th round despite easily being the leading scorer among 18 year old CHL prospects.

Bedard will be picked 1st due to the way that he scores. Let's say he scores exactly 109 points like Dumais did, he will likely go first overall yet Dumais went 96th OA......you care to explain how stats are paramount with such a glaring discrepancy?

 

[Andrei79]

Exactly... that's why Connor Bedard is going to be 1st overall pick next year. Because he won't have good stats.


Whether people like it or not stats are the single most important thing when evaluating a player. The goal is to score more goals than the other team to win after all.
Or else you end with good "defensive" specialist as we have had plenty of in the last 30 years on this team.

Scouts look at translatable offense (obviously not just that, but production has to be put into context). That means points scored that would likely be points in the NHL as well. Many junior scorers will have an advantage over junior players that are effectively shut down once they get to the pros.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I think people mix up his skating with his style of play, he doesn't move his feet enough as he likes to slow things down, not saying his skating doesn't need work.

That was the case with Jake Evans as he played a very cerebral game at Notre Dame and was usually the F3 and just tried to occupy passing lanes while his linemates applied the forecheck. Turns out he always had the wheels, he just wasn't using them. It seemed strange as his technique was very good but he never seemed to move very fast. Julien mentioned this in one of the training camps when he was approached about Evans sudden perceived gains in speed

Roy is a different case though as he has poor extension and doesn't drive with his ass enough. I have seen him try and hustle, especially at the WJC and his clunky stride was definitely inefficient and does need work.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Skating, skating, and more skating. The hockey IQ is there. Just needs to work in skating. I wonder if taking figure skating lessons would help. A lot of Russians ( like Kovalev) did that when they were young. Not sure if it helps at this late age.

Yeah sure ! Tights and make-up could help him !
Lol, this is a joke !! Okay I'm leaving, lol

 

[Natey]

Good stats will show you have a good tools (or toolbox).

Just look at McDavid's stats and you can tell he has all the tools. You could assume he is the best NHL player even if you have never watched him.

Now go check Gallagher's stats (in recent years) and you can tell he provides nothing if you have never seen him play.



Same applies here, Roy' production in the Q shows is has the tools to be an impactful player. It still remains to be seen at the NHL level but the ceiling is sky high that’s for sure.

By recent years, I guess you mean one season? His stats are respectable before that.
Offensive production stats show two tools. That's it. There's plenty of other tools that need to be checked to be an NHL player, usually.

 

[26Mats]

Yeah sure ! Tights and make-up could help him !
Lol, this is a joke !! Okay I'm leaving, lol

Not at all. Even some north Americans like Jeff Skinner did figure skating when they were young. A guy I knew did it at like age 7. He was the best skater in the league growing up...

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