Prospect Info: Joshua Roy Part 2

[Habs Halifax]

Interesting to see how last year when he was basically 2PPG he was the crown jewel of prospects and was the second-coming to many. Now the initial shine has worn off and he’s flirting on bust status.

The kid seriously needs to work on his skating and pace. If he could skate like Farrell I think he’d be a potential star

Now he is flirting on bust status? Where did you comprehend this narrative from?

Toffoli is not a good skater.

Average or slightly below average? I feel some will exaggerate it to "one or the worse in the NHL".

Roy has lots of time to improve skating. If he don't, he's going to need high hockey IQ like Toffoli.

 

[schwang26]

Now he is flirting on bust status? Where did you comprehend this narrative from?



Average or slightly below average? I feel some will exaggerate it to "one or the worse in the NHL".

Roy has lots of time to improve skating. If he don't, he's going to need high hockey IQ like Toffoli.

True. I'm thinking that's not a problem given his pace over last year and so far this year. You don't lead a league if you don't have a strong IQ

 

[Nicko999]

Roy now at 14 pts in 6 games. That's 2.33 PPG. Improving on his production from last year. Not sure what else he needs to do for people to start talking about him as the best prospect on the Habs.

 

[le_sean]

Roy now at 14 pts in 6 games. That's 2.33 PPG. Improving on his production from last year. Not sure what else he needs to do for people to start talking about him as the best prospect on the Habs.

Maybe show something when in training camp and preseason. There’s at least 5 guys that showed far more than him and 3 of them are younger.

 

[Goldenhands]

Roy now at 14 pts in 6 games. That's 2.33 PPG. Improving on his production from last year. Not sure what else he needs to do for people to start talking about him as the best prospect on the Habs.

When you look at prospects, you are looking for translatable tools. Roy's skating and motor will need to keep improving a good deal to be considered a solid NHL prospect, very talended kid, but dominating the Q on the scoresheet is something alot of kids have done and most of them didnt amount to anything. I have Roy ranked around 10th in our prospects pool as of right now, has the talent to to be in the top 5 and it could change with time, but kid has a long way to go.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

When you look at prospects, you are looking for translatable tools. Roy's skating and motor will need to keep improving a good deal to be considered a solid NHL prospect, very talended kid, but dominating the Q on the scoresheet is something alot of kids have done and most of them didnt amount to anything. I have Roy ranked around 10th in our prospects pool as of right now, has the talent to to be in the top 5 and it could change with time, but kid has a long way to go.

There aren't a lot of kids that produced at 1.8 ppg in their 18-year-old season.

 

[le_sean]

There aren't a lot of kids that produced at 1.8 ppg in their 18-year-old season.

No but Goldenhands has a point. There’s more to being a great prospect than just producing. Right now he has a Robbie Schremp thing going for him. Great CHL player, but the skating is a big issue for the next level.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Roy now at 14 pts in 6 games. That's 2.33 PPG. Improving on his production from last year. Not sure what else he needs to do for people to start talking about him as the best prospect on the Habs.

He needs better feet. His success really is going to come down to how much he can improve his skating. He got a feel for pro hockey during AHL playoffs last year & pre-season this year. He KNOWS what he needs to work on.

 

[HuGort]

Roy has impressive numbers to start the season. With 5 goals in 6 games. WJC helped his game?

His teammate Gill, has 10 goals in 8 games. Is this somebody we could sign as free agent next summer?

 

[26Mats]

Roy has impressive numbers to start the season. With 5 goals in 6 games. WJC helped his game?

His teammate Gill, has 10 goals in 8 games. Is this somebody we could sign as free agent next summer?

Given that Roy and Kidney put up big numbers in the Q last season, yet looked a step behind our other top forward prospects (Heineman, Slaf, Beck, Mesar), I'm not so interested in reports about their numbers, more interested in reports about their skating.

 

[Supersonic]

Now he is flirting on bust status? Where did you comprehend this narrative from?



Average or slightly below average? I feel some will exaggerate it to "one or the worse in the NHL".

Roy has lots of time to improve skating. If he don't, he's going to need high hockey IQ like Toffoli.

On another post I clarified I was being facetious. I like Roy

 

[HostileCapSpace]

 

[BenchBrawl]

Great to see Roy dominating from the onset. Let him burn the league through a simplified game. He now knows which plays work and which doesn't at the pro level, so he can focus on limiting himself to pro plays.

 

[Nicko999]

When you look at prospects, you are looking for translatable tools. Roy's skating and motor will need to keep improving a good deal to be considered a solid NHL prospect, very talended kid, but dominating the Q on the scoresheet is something alot of kids have done and most of them didnt amount to anything. I have Roy ranked around 10th in our prospects pool as of right now, has the talent to to be in the top 5 and it could change with time, but kid has a long way to go.

No but Goldenhands has a point. There’s more to being a great prospect than just producing. Right now he has a Robbie Schremp thing going for him. Great CHL player, but the skating is a big issue for the next level.

He needs better feet. His success really is going to come down to how much he can improve his skating. He got a feel for pro hockey during AHL playoffs last year & pre-season this year. He KNOWS what he needs to work on.

The skating issues are way overblown. Yes he is not the best skater but he has shown a willingness to improve in every aspect of the game. Plenty of players are not super skater. Toffoli comes to mind. The difference is that Roy is smarter and more talented than him.

Roy has been very good or dominated at every level he has been. Was drafted 1st overall in the Q, dominated that league, was also a very good in WJHC this summer being i believe the 3rd best scorer.

He had 1 bad season in his draft year which is why he slipped to the 5th round but so far he is showing it was a one off and that his pedigree is more of that of the player drafted 1st overall than that of a 5th rounder.

He has the #1 quality I am looking for in every player and that is high IQ. Having that allows you to make up for any weaknesses you might have.

On my list he is our #1 prospect ahead of Slaf and Guhle.

 

[Goldenhands]

The skating issues are way overblown. Yes he is not the best skater but he has shown a willingness to improve in every aspect of the game. Plenty of players are not super skater. Toffoli comes to mind. The difference is that Roy is smarter and more talented than him.

Roy has been very good or dominated at every level he has been. Was drafted 1st overall in the Q, dominated that league, was also a very good in WJHC this summer being i believe the 3rd best scorer.

He had 1 bad season in his draft year which is why he slipped to the 5th round but so far he is showing it was a one off and that his pedigree is more of that of the player drafted 1st overall than that of a 5th rounder.

He has the #1 quality I am looking for in every player and that is high IQ. Having that allows you to make up for any weaknesses you might have.

On my list he is our #1 prospect ahead of Slaf and Guhle.

I saw Roy missing some assingments during camp, I saw him not reading how the play develop very well at times too, I saw him a bit lost in his own zone in the Q as well... I think you are confounding IQ with offensive creativity and vision.

For me Kidney has a very high IQ, he is just weak. Roy's IQ is decent, but not particulary high.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

It's worth noting that Roy had a pretty stellar camp a year ago did he not? He absolutely has question marks but dude is putting up pretty massive totals down there.

It's awesome that we've had such a great influx of talent this last draft that Roy and Kidney seem like afterthoughts but they do have potential.

Anyone who pays attention to the Q see any improvement in these 2 from last year? Especially in parts of their games that needed improvement? To me that's all that matters at this point. You have to keep seeing progression.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Now he is flirting on bust status? Where did you comprehend this narrative from?



Average or slightly below average? I feel some will exaggerate it to "one or the worse in the NHL".

Roy has lots of time to improve skating. If he don't, he's going to need high hockey IQ like Toffoli.

I would guess that Toffoli is in the bottom 10th percentile in the NHL in skating. He truly is quite slow and in a league where there just aren't many slow players any more. He is exceptionally smart which helps him to be in the right place and start his feet before others can diagnose the play. This is exactly how Ryan O'Reilly, Sean Couturier and Mark Stone are able to still be so effective despite often being the slowest forward on the ice.

 

[le_sean]

The skating issues are way overblown. Yes he is not the best skater but he has shown a willingness to improve in every aspect of the game. Plenty of players are not super skater. Toffoli comes to mind. The difference is that Roy is smarter and more talented than him.

Roy has been very good or dominated at every level he has been. Was drafted 1st overall in the Q, dominated that league, was also a very good in WJHC this summer being i believe the 3rd best scorer.

He had 1 bad season in his draft year which is why he slipped to the 5th round but so far he is showing it was a one off and that his pedigree is more of that of the player drafted 1st overall than that of a 5th rounder.

He has the #1 quality I am looking for in every player and that is high IQ. Having that allows you to make up for any weaknesses you might have.

On my list he is our #1 prospect ahead of Slaf and Guhle.

It’s not overblown. He’s a bad skater. Poor acceleration and technique. Maybe he can improve, he’s going to have to. He doesn’t have the advantage of being the size of Jason Robertson to help him win puck battles physically rather than with speed.

Tyler Toffoli was a fantastic OHL player in his own right. He‘s also incredibly intelligent without the puck on his stick. This means he can be trusted in any situation, despite his lack of foot speed. Roy is not close to him in two-way ability.

 

[Retired]

Roy now at 14 pts in 6 games. That's 2.33 PPG. Improving on his production from last year. Not sure what else he needs to do for people to start talking about him as the best prospect on the Habs.

I haven’t seen him in junior except highlight reels so not gonna lie, but the prospect games we saw he seemed late on the puck. I’d say if he can explode a bit into open ice and be first on more pucks, he could be a sick scorer for sure.

 

[David Suzuki]

talking about him as the best prospect on the Habs.

Why even hire scouts if all we have to do is google their stats to know who the best prospect is.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

When you look at prospects, you are looking for translatable tools. Roy's skating and motor will need to keep improving a good deal to be considered a solid NHL prospect, very talended kid, but dominating the Q on the scoresheet is something alot of kids have done and most of them didnt amount to anything. I have Roy ranked around 10th in our prospects pool as of right now, has the talent to to be in the top 5 and it could change with time, but kid has a long way to go.

Can you stop saying talended and start saying talented? It triggers me for some reason.

 

[BJCOLLINS]

Roy is a really interesting case….and I keep thinking does he have the “it factor”? Can he take another step? We know of his Q potential & he worked hard on the bottom 6 at WJC, showing an ability to be given a role (bottom 6) and acquitted himself well.
I guess what I’d like to see is Roy finding another “gear”, so to speak. He’s already projecting to be bottom 6 material but he looks (at times) to have more innate talent that perhaps not even he sees?

 

[Goldenhands]

Can you stop saying talended and start saying talented? It triggers me for some reason.

Thx for correcting me, appreciaded.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Thx for correcting me, appreciaded.

Well-played sir. This made me laugh.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I saw Roy missing some assingments during camp, I saw him not reading how the play develop very well at times too, I saw him a bit lost in his own zone in the Q as well... I think you are confounding IQ with offensive creativity and vision.

For me Kidney has a very high IQ, he is just weak. Roy's IQ is decent, but not particulary high.

Strange how you can somehow recognize Roy being lost on the ice yet think Slavkovsky is not lost.....Roy absolutely maps the ice better than Slafkovsky and has a much more advanced concept of spacing and puck support. I am confident Slaf will greatly improve but if he had Roy's current IQ and vision he would be much more effective.

I do agree with your comment about IQ and vision/creativity.

Roy definitely has exceptional vision but that is not necessarily the same as hockey IQ. The latter can sometimes be tricky to access accurately until the player moves on to higher competition. Drouin is a prime example of this where people were entirely convinced that his hockey IQ was off of the charts in Halifax but it turns out they were conflating vision with IQ. This is why Drouin at times can make great passes and at other times make boneheaded giveaways. He has the vision to look for back door plays and cutters but doesn't have the IQ to diagnose the evolving environment around him.

I am on the fence with Roy as he has terrific hands and great offensive instincts but I am uncertain of how his understanding of the game will translate to the pro game given his current skating deficiencies. He clearly needs to improve his skating and I feel like that is very attainable considering it is only very recently that he began to take training seriously and has made huge leaps in development due to it.

Roy is polarizing in my own head as I can easily make an argument that he is just another junior star with glaring flaws that will keep him from finding success in the NHL. I can also make the opposite argument that he is smart and talented enough to overcome these obstacles with his new found enthusiasm for training and is headed for a bright NHL career. I think anyone who sits firmly in either camp is blinded by bias as nothing is remotely clear with Joshua so it is probably best not to become too tribal in this conversation, let's just wait and see if he works on his weaknesses this season.

Roy is a really interesting case….and I keep thinking does he have the “it factor”? Can he take another step? We know of his Q potential & he worked hard on the bottom 6 at WJC, showing an ability to be given a role (bottom 6) and acquitted himself well.
I guess what I’d like to see is Roy finding another “gear”, so to speak. He’s already projecting to be bottom 6 material but he looks (at times) to have more innate talent that perhaps not even he sees?

Pace, pace and pace.......this is the key to his future.