Prospect Info: Joshua Roy Part 2

[Schooner Guy]

Im concerned about Wrights Skating...

LOL! I guarantee Wright won't one of RLR's nominees for the Brad Marsh Skating in Quicksand award that Roy was listed in before last year's draft.

Wright's a far better skater than Roy. Wasn't Wright second fastest skater in the CHL Prospects Game skills competition?

 

[Matthew McConaughay]

I feel like Toffoli is an appropriate comparison

Roy has a higher Hockey IQ than Toffoli.

 

[WeThreeKings]

LOL! I guarantee Wright won't one of RLR's nominees for the Brad Marsh Skating in Quicksand award that Roy was listed in before last year's draft.

Wright's a far better skater than Roy. Wasn't Wright second fastest skater in the CHL Prospects Game skills competition?

He was one of the best testers in skating at the prospect game, yeah.

 

[Ezpz]

Roy has a higher Hockey IQ than Toffoli.

It's difficult to project junior to NHL. Toffoli essentially only made the NHL because of his IQ. He got Shane Prince drafted in the 2nd round at least and Ceci in the first. He really f'd Ottawa. I think people look down on Toffoli because he played his entire prime in a defense-first system where he still managed to be a 50-60 point guy. If he had gone anywhere but Calgary I'm sure his numbers would have jumped again. Sutter just plays him the way he did in LA.

Still though Toffoli would be a first rounder in a redraft, probably even top 15 in a very strong draft(poor depth though). It used to be 400 games to get your pension and 35 guys have hit it so far. While researching I think all players get it now after a much lower point, but you can't collect til 45 at the minimum and only get the full amount if you start at 62.

If Roy even turns out as good as Toffoli that's a pretty good case, Toffoli was one of LA's better players in the 2014 cup win and basically eliminated the Hawks.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Roy has a higher Hockey IQ than Toffoli.

Hard to say but it's a good point you bring up. With Roy, all we are doing is guess work on his growth from today to the next few years. Biggest test will be when he turns pro and plays with less time and space and more physical players. Most drown and some don't skip a beat.

Right now today, Roy is very close to Toffoli's size and weight. I think he is well suited or prepared to the next challenge after he turns pro. Until then, just enjoy what you see cause he's turning heads more and more. Obsession to improve seems to be there which I like a lot.

One area I like is how Roy looked at our development camp last year. He shined where Kidney didn't. This is one area you can look at in terms of his ability to deal with older and more mature players cause I suspect he was one of the younger guys in our camp (like Kidney)

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

 

[Kimota]

He is signed to an ELC. But it starts next year and it slides if he goes back to Junior.

He was only signed to an ATO with Laval so he can join them now that his season in Junior is over.

Next year, he can only play for the Habs or go back to Sherbrooke. He's not eligible for the AHL.

Dammit!

 

[Wats]

Roy has a higher Hockey IQ than Toffoli.

Don't know about that. Toffoli dummied junior too.

 

[Adam Michaels]

 

[Tyson]

Good experience for Roy and Kidney

 

[jfm133]

What's the problem some have with Roy going back to Sherbrooke next season? It was good for Suzuki, also born in August, so as young a 19 yo can be. Also, some say Kucherov as a comparable is a pipe dream, but Kucherov played in the Q at 19 achieving 2 pts/game with Sven Andrighetto and J-S Dea, better than Parent and Anctil.. Roy did amost 2 pys/game this year at 18, so reaching Kucherov level may be a pipe dream for some, but we don't know what his maturation curve will be.

 

[DAChampion]

What's the problem some have with Roy going back to Sherbrooke next season? It was good for Suzuki, also born in August, so as young a 19 yo can be. Also, some say Kucherov as a comparable is a pipe dream, but Kucherov played in the Q at 19 achieving 2 pts/game with Sven Andrighetto and J-S Dea, better than Parent and Anctil.. Roy did amost 2 pys/game this year at 18, so reaching Kucherov level may be a pipe dream for some, but we don't know what his maturation curve will be.

The issue is that Roy has already dominated the Q, with 119 points in 66 games.

Suzuki had 100 points in 64 games.

 

[jfm133]

Suzuki dominated the OHL three years in a row.

The issue is that Roy has already dominated the Q, with 119 points in 66 games.

Suzuki had 100 points in 64 games.

 

[Andrei79]

I don't know about y'all, but I see a lot of similarities between Kucherov and Roy. Both are not the fastest skaters, but have very high hockey IQ, great shots and are great playmakers.

Hopefully Roy can follow a similar career path as Kucherov. Adding him to the mix of Suzuki, Wright, Caufield would make for a pretty exciting, young, top 6 that will all grow together and all be in their prime at the same time.

I'm really hoping he pans out!

The only player in the league capable of pacing like Kucherov is McDavid. There is little to no chance he'll follow a similar career path. If he's a David Perron-like player that's a huge win where we got him.

 

[Tyson]

Absolutely no way Roy is ready for the NHL at 19. Folks need to give that thought a rest.

 

[Andrei79]

What's the problem some have with Roy going back to Sherbrooke next season? It was good for Suzuki, also born in August, so as young a 19 yo can be. Also, some say Kucherov as a comparable is a pipe dream, but Kucherov played in the Q at 19 achieving 2 pts/game with Sven Andrighetto and J-S Dea, better than Parent and Anctil.. Roy did amost 2 pys/game this year at 18, so reaching Kucherov level may be a pipe dream for some, but we don't know what his maturation curve will be.

I have no issue with Roy going back to Sherbrooke. I wouldn't mind the 9 game NHL tryout either, but that depends on his strength and conditioning. When Suzuki finally made the team, he was a tank for his age. I don't see any rush with Roy, especially since he's a local guy. He can dominate the Q, play in the WJC, go on a deep run in the Q or maybe join Laval for another run if he's eliminated quickly.

It's difficult to project junior to NHL. Toffoli essentially only made the NHL because of his IQ. He got Shane Prince drafted in the 2nd round at least and Ceci in the first. He really f'd Ottawa. I think people look down on Toffoli because he played his entire prime in a defense-first system where he still managed to be a 50-60 point guy. If he had gone anywhere but Calgary I'm sure his numbers would have jumped again. Sutter just plays him the way he did in LA.

Still though Toffoli would be a first rounder in a redraft, probably even top 15 in a very strong draft(poor depth though). It used to be 400 games to get your pension and 35 guys have hit it so far. While researching I think all players get it now after a much lower point, but you can't collect til 45 at the minimum and only get the full amount if you start at 62.

If Roy even turns out as good as Toffoli that's a pretty good case, Toffoli was one of LA's better players in the 2014 cup win and basically eliminated the Hawks.

This is very well said.

 

[jfm133]

That's why I insist on maturation, physically and mentally, that is the natural part of the so called development and the most important.

I have no issue with Roy going back to Sherbrooke. I wouldn't mind the 9 game NHL tryout either, but that depends on his strength and conditioning. When Suzuki finally made the team, he was a tank for his age. I don't see any rush with Roy, especially since he's a local guy. He can dominate the Q, play in the WJC, go on a deep run in the Q or maybe join Laval for another run if he's eliminated quickly.



This is very well said.

 

[viceroy]

The issue is that Roy has already dominated the Q, with 119 points in 66 games.

Suzuki had 100 points in 64 games.

Yeah but Suze played a better rounded game and staying in the O meant he got that remarkable playoff run there. That run will play dividends for his entire career.

 

[FLHabs]

The only player in the league capable of pacing like Kucherov is McDavid. There is little to no chance he'll follow a similar career path. If he's a David Perron-like player that's a huge win where we got him.

When I was comparing him with Kucherov, I meant it more as a play style. They play a very similar game imo. In terms of career path, nobody thought Kucherov would be as good as he is today. I'm hoping Roy can also exceed the expectation people have for him.

The way I see it, no one can predict his ceiling until we see how his game translate in the NHL.

 

[MakeTheGoalsLarger]

The few comments I heard from MSL following his contract announcement suggest he'll prioritize teaching the kids over winning in the coming season.

This season might be the best time to join the team for young players.

There's always the risk of the player losing interest by staying in an inferior league for too long. Roy already showed his motivation could drop so I think it's worth it to give him a shot this year if he shows promise at camp.

 

[Adam Michaels]

The few comments I heard from MSL following his contract announcement suggest he'll prioritize teaching the kids over winning in the coming season.

This season might be the best time to join the team for young players.

There's always the risk of the player losing interest by staying in an inferior league for too long. Roy already showed his motivation could drop so I think it's worth it to give him a shot this year if he shows promise at camp.

Even if it would be a good season for young players to play under MSL, it doesn't mean they all need to come in.

There will still be Suzuki, Caufield, Romanov, Guhle, Harris, Barron, Poehling, RHP, Ylonen, Mysak, Norlinder, Fairbrother, and Xhekaj. You can add the 1st overall pick that could be brought in right away.

Some of these guys will be in Laval. Some all year there or part of the year. Others will be in Montreal.

We just shouldn't want the prospects to skip steps.

Since they were drafted:
- Suzuki spent 2 years in the OHL before turning pro
- Caufield played 2 year in Wisconsin before turning pro
- Romanov spent 2 years in the KHL before coming over
- Guhle is currently playing his 2nd year in the WHL before turning pro next year
- Harris spent 4 years at Northeastern before turning pro
- Barron spent a year in junior and a year in the AHL before playing NHL
- Norlinder played 3 years in Sweden and is now here to stay
- Ylonen played 2 years of Liiga and now is finishing his 2nd year in the AHL
- RHP spent 1 year in the QMJHL and is now finishing his 2nd year in the AHL
- Fairbrother played 2 years in the WHL and is now in his 1st year in the AHL

 

[jfm133]

I understand people want to keep the bar low about Roy, but all the very good players taken around #25 and in the rounds after that went through the same process. with a few exceptions like Bergeron or O'Reilly that made the NHL at 18. All we know is that at this stage Roy has a chance the be a real impact player, but he will need to mature more before we can tell. We don't know how far from his ceiling he is.

The only player in the league capable of pacing like Kucherov is McDavid. There is little to no chance he'll follow a similar career path. If he's a David Perron-like player that's a huge win where we got him.

 

[jfm133]

That is not true. Roy said a few weeks ago that he does not want to skip a step and that even though he will try to make the team at camp, he expect to go back to Sherbrooke. He showed no sign of decrease in his motivation. He kept a pace close to 2 points per game the whole year.

The few comments I heard from MSL following his contract announcement suggest he'll prioritize teaching the kids over winning in the coming season.

This season might be the best time to join the team for young players.

There's always the risk of the player losing interest by staying in an inferior league for too long. Roy already showed his motivation could drop so I think it's worth it to give him a shot this year if he shows promise at camp.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Roy has a higher Hockey IQ than Toffoli.

I hope so. Toffoli is very hockey IQ limited and he benefit in the past of centers like Kopitar.
From what I saw, Roy is creative and energetic. He doesn't wait in silence for scoring opportunities, he's pro-active.

That is not true. Roy said a few weeks ago that he does not want to skip a step and that even though he will try to make the team at camp, he expect to go back to Sherbrooke. He showed no sign of decrease in his motivation. He kept a pace close to 2 points per game the whole year.

I guess he will stay one more year in Sherbrooke, half year in Laval and then jump in nhl.
Or start the year in Montreal next september if he make Habs management no choice.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

Even if it would be a good season for young players to play under MSL, it doesn't mean they all need to come in.

There will still be Suzuki, Caufield, Romanov, Guhle, Harris, Barron, Poehling, RHP, Ylonen, Mysak, Norlinder, Fairbrother, and Xhekaj. You can add the 1st overall pick that could be brought in right away.

Some of these guys will be in Laval. Some all year there or part of the year. Others will be in Montreal.

We just shouldn't want the prospects to skip steps.

Since they were drafted:
- Suzuki spent 2 years in the OHL before turning pro
- Caufield played 2 year in Wisconsin before turning pro
- Romanov spent 2 years in the KHL before coming over
- Guhle is currently playing his 2nd year in the WHL before turning pro next year
- Harris spent 4 years at Northeastern before turning pro
- Barron spent a year in junior and a year in the AHL before playing NHL
- Norlinder played 3 years in Sweden and is now here to stay
- Ylonen played 2 years of Liiga and now is finishing his 2nd year in the AHL
- RHP spent 1 year in the QMJHL and is now finishing his 2nd year in the AHL
- Fairbrother played 2 years in the WHL and is now in his 1st year in the AHL

I have a feeling that Wright will be playing a full rookie season in the NHL. But for the rest of our prospects let’s play it safe.