It's not a question of holes in his game for Roy, as for most 18 years old players, it is a question of gaining physical maturity and experience and being stronger mentally as they get older. So Roy needs to go back in juniors next season just to naturally mature. There is way too much talk about the so called development and not enough about maturation.
Prospect Info: Joshua Roy Part 2
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Sure, but at best he still missed a year so another year of junior would probably work. Best if he doesn't spend it in Kingston.
Vachon23
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That's are probably the biggest "holes" (probably should have use an other word) that I was talking.
I'd like to see the Habs player development folks tell Roy, don't worry about matching / increasing point production next season, focus more on skating and making plays at higher speed and also focusing on the 200ft game. Sacrifice points to improve his all round game.
The risk of going back to the Q is media / fans ragging on him for not improving his points total. Which is unlikely given that Sherbrooke won't be as strong.
Roy just destroyed the Q - he should play in the NHL if he plays well at camp and in the first 9 games. He can work on his skating and the 200ft game in the NHL too - in a setting in which lower points totals would be understandable.
Wright on the other hand I could see an argument for returning back to juniors.
Wright on the other hand I could see an argument for returning back to juniors.
If David Spacek stays in Sherbrooke next season, and obviously if Roy goes back there, they will be stronger than this year. Yes they will lose Parent and Anctil, but the remaining players will all be one year older, and the team can trade to acquire a good 20 years old.
Its the complete opposite. Wright doesn't have obvious weaknesses to his game. He is NHL ready. Roy has gaping holes in his that could be worked on in junior (skating, strength and defensive awareness).
If only Bergevin had just one fatal flaw. He had a few interesting skills and a few massive blind spots but was solidly mediocre overall. The habs have been cycling through pretty feeble management hires since the early '80s with the exception of some of the Serge Savard years. Have to hope those times are ending.
WeThreeKings
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I mean Hughes and Gorton basically called the previous operation incompetent.
DramaticGloveSave
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Let’s see how they do. And it should be noted that they basically owe Wright, Suzuki, Caufield, Roy and the returns for Kulak, Toffoli, Chariot, and Lehkonen to Bergevin.
Ezpz
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I disagree about the returns on trades. Bergy would have traded them for far less or re-signed them. I don't think Bergy would have got a first or Toffoli or Chiarot, let alone adds. I don't think he'd swing Barron+ for Lehk either.
Simarino
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Yeah, but Bergevin would have kept Toffoli and Lehkonen because he didn't believe in cup windows and building a perennial contender, just find a way to sneak in the playoff and you have one chance out of 16 to win the cup!! Oh and drafting is pretty much all luck, throw as many darts as possible and you'll hit once in a while, as for players development, well its all on the player!! Wonder why it didn't work!!
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WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
If they kept Bergevins coach, what Suzuki and Caufield are would be vastly different.
How Roy develops is entirely on the new group, as MB has busted similar or better prospects in the past.
Not sure how the returns for those players are owed to MB, sure he acquired them but MBs magic was holding on to assets to stay mediocre for as long as he could.
Estimated_Prophet
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He needs to do what Wright did this season in order to prepare for the pro game
I agree. Roy should sacrifice some offense to develop other areas of his game and with focus on skating and tempo. I don't think he has anything to prove offensively in the Q. He has other areas to work on.
Are skating, strength and defensive awareness really gaping holes In his game or just things where he is just above average as opposed to elite. Big difference here.
They are holes. He is an average skater in junior and doesn't have a good first step. As a winger, he doesn't play with tempo. He rarely can skate around D-men. Strength is always an issue with 18 year olds. Defensive awareness is low for Roy. Its an area he can improve on but requires a bit of sacrifice to his offensive game. These are all areas to improve in the Q and not something you want to improve on in the NHL. These weakenesses in the NHL put you on the 4th line...
They are definitely weaknesses.
People see his numbers and think, boy he must be dominating games. Well he's really not. He's the kind of player that seems to manage to always end up at the right place at the right time in the offensive zone. Not saying this as a bad thing; it means that he can read plays and evaluate probabilities of where the puck will end up.
He's really not all that involved in the play in the defensive and neutral zones though. Sure, his ability to read plays give him breakaways or odd man rushes from time to time, but at this time, he needs his linemates to do a lot of the hard, exhausting work. He still has room to improve at junior level, that's for certain.
Stop with that nonsense, throwing insults at Bergevin, Timmins and others on an anonymous board won't elevate you. Also, to call another person incompetent, you need to be be much better than that person. Hughes is in his first job in hockey other than agent. As for Gorton, his stint with the Rangers with picks like Anderson, Kravtsov,, Kakko and Lafrenière in the top-10 is not better than Bergevin, and Bergevin never had a #1 and a #2 overall.
Also, you can say what you want, but the draft since 2016 is good, and the strategy of pick accumulation since 2018, year after year, is the reason why the pipeline of the team is among the best in the league. Bergevin is the one who made the trade for Suzuki. The main problem of this organization, either with Bergevin or Gainey, is the lack of patience. That led them to shortcuts attempts and their biggest mistakes. If Molson still pushes to make the playoffs every year, Hughes and Gorton will have to trade good young assets for older players. In other words, if they are not allowed to be patient, we will see other stupid attempts like the Aho hostile offer and bringing up 18 yo like KK
The 3 best young players on the team. Suzuki, Caufield and Romanov made it to the NHL only at 20. This should be the rule for every player from now on, unless a player is really dominant in all aspects of the game at a lower level, not just if he got very good stats.
Also, you can say what you want, but the draft since 2016 is good, and the strategy of pick accumulation since 2018, year after year, is the reason why the pipeline of the team is among the best in the league. Bergevin is the one who made the trade for Suzuki. The main problem of this organization, either with Bergevin or Gainey, is the lack of patience. That led them to shortcuts attempts and their biggest mistakes. If Molson still pushes to make the playoffs every year, Hughes and Gorton will have to trade good young assets for older players. In other words, if they are not allowed to be patient, we will see other stupid attempts like the Aho hostile offer and bringing up 18 yo like KK
The 3 best young players on the team. Suzuki, Caufield and Romanov made it to the NHL only at 20. This should be the rule for every player from now on, unless a player is really dominant in all aspects of the game at a lower level, not just if he got very good stats.
Gaylord Q Tinkledink
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Bergevin and Co wanted Glass, but Vegas wouldn't budge.
Bergevin and Co didn't trade up for Caufield, he fell to them.
Kulak and Chairot were pending ufas that anyone would have dealt. Bergevin would have f***ing re-signed both, or got just a 2nd for Benny and a 4th for Kulak.
Let's not being given Bergevin and Co any unnecessary props to them. They both suck and shouldn't be back in the league, but poor LA hired Bergevin already
Kudo Shinichi
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Kotkaniemi was definitely rushed. Also the people who want Wright in the nhl are saying that he should play on the 3rd line with 2nd pp unit, which is exactly what Kotkaniemi got.
This reminds me of Patriots fans in New-England that are bashing Belichick because it did not move up to pick QB Mac Jones. Second guessing all the decision after the facts is so easy. Also, we never got an open confirmation that Habs wanted Glass over Suzuki, but even if it was the case, the fact is that Bergevin and Timmins made the trade for Suzuki. It is so easy to judge after a player proved his value. Suzuki was far from a sure thing back then. He was invisible at the WJC a few months later and I remember people here were blaming Bergevin for the trade. Also, to say that Bergevin was bad at the trade deadline is defamatory. Just two trades he made should close the discussion, Fleischman + Weise for Danault + 2nd (Romanov) and 2nd + 4th for Petry.
