Prospect Info: Joshua Roy Part 2

[Mrb1p]

I'm torn on the scouting procedures that somehow contributed to us picking a guy in the 5th round, who will inevitably outscore the guy we picked 1st overall

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One was drafted by one dude and another by another dude

 

[MasterD]

That is not how you develop prospects.

This is not a video game and you need to acquiesce to merit as players need to know that they are valued and are being handled fairly and professionally. Keeping a developing prospect at a level where that they have conquered while intentionally not challenging them at the appropriate level only slows development and any decision with such a result is objectively wrong.

Don't misunderstand me, as I believe he will be the exact same player 5 years down the road regardless of whether he plays in the NHL this season or not but part of the culture building exercise is holding merit above all else. The organization must let all of it's players know that they are competing for their jobs and playing time and will need to bring their "A" game or be replaced by the next wave who are working their asses off to earn that roster spot.

I'd rather have Roy fight to keep a place on the 1st line in the AHL and fight for a Calder Cup than Roy fight for a spot on the 3rd or 2nd line of a bottom feeder NHL team that's going to lose most of it's games. Dominate on a winning team »»»» hang on in a terrible environment.

I'm torn on the scouting procedures that somehow contributed to us picking a guy in the 5th round, who will inevitably outscore the guy we picked 1st overall

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31 other teams didn't pick Roy before we picked him. Like it or not, there were question marks. Datsyuk was a 6th round pick, shit happens.

(Yes, there are also question marks regarding Slafkovky. Weak draft, yada yada)

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Roy is legit. Probably best we let him dominate a few more weeks, but think he’ll be called up rather quickly.

He very well could be the guy who completes the Suzuki/Caufield line.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I'm torn on the scouting procedures that somehow contributed to us picking a guy in the 5th round, who will inevitably outscore the guy we picked 1st overall

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Every scout, every fan and every carbon based life form on the planet would have taken Slaf over Roy if they were in the same draft class based on their draft year performance. You being concerned about this is the same as being concerned about a kid going to law school instead of hanging out at the slot machines in Reno after watching some degenerate hit a jackpot.

 

[NotProkofievian]

See guys, this is what having a good prospect feels like. No cope, no ''he's only x years old,'' no ''he needs to play with players as smart as him.'' He just ragdolls the competition, and we're talking about whether we can really keep him down at this level for much longer.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I'd rather have Roy fight to keep a place on the 1st line in the AHL and fight for a Calder Cup than Roy fight for a spot on the 3rd or 2nd line of a bottom feeder NHL team that's going to lose most of it's games. Dominate on a winning team »»»» hang on in a terrible environment.

Terrible environment? Said nobody ever under MSL. You are allowing personal bias and professional sport tropes to dominate your narrative.

Why would you automatically default to there not being a chance of him playing with Caufield and Suzuki??? .......and yes it would be much better to play a middle six role with PP time in the NHL with and against better players than to dominate a low IQ minor pro league where most players can only see what is directly in front of him. He will need to learn how to apply his skills with less time and space and the time to do that is when he has shown that he has mastered it at his current level.

This talk of it being important to rack up points in the AHL is ridiculous when it is placed above the merits of his work and the opportunity to improve rather than stagnate at a high level in a lower league. Too many fans equate pre NHL scoring numbers to video game xp points and find value where there is none to be found. There exists an odd belief in keeping a player down in order to collect these "points" as though the points are going to make them better. It doesn't matter if he scores 22 points in 16 games or 110 points in 80 games if he was already ready to be called up after 16 games. The other 88 points won't change anything and won't help him at the next level.

And.....why would you come to the conclusion that Montreal won't send him to Laval for the playoffs if you don't believe he will thrive in the NHL and prove that he belongs there......it is a nearly impossible position to defend.

 

[SpeedyPotato]

I'm torn on the scouting procedures that somehow contributed to us picking a guy in the 5th round, who will inevitably outscore the guy we picked 1st overall

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I'm actually just happy we have both, they're very different players but should both be really good for us down the road.

 

[Nicko999]

I said it in 2022, said in early 2023 and will say it again in late 2023... Joshua Roy is our best prospect.

The management is being way too overprotective with him. Enough is enough. Call him up and make him play on the team. He will literally be the 2nd most dangerous player after Caufield on the PP.

 

[River Meadow]

See guys, this is what having a good prospect feels like. No cope, no ''he's only x years old,'' no ''he needs to play with players as smart as him.'' He just ragdolls the competition, and we're talking about whether we can really keep him down at this level for much longer.

Feels weird man.

Would Slafkowsky have more points than Roy if Slaf was in the AHL?

 

[SlafySZN]

Where are the legions who thought Farrell was better than Roy?

I mean, he would not have had 2 of his 5 points tonight without Farrell so i don’t really get why the negative comment on Farrell now.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Feels weird man.

Would Slafkowsky have more points than Roy if Slaf was in the AHL?

Who knows, anything can happen in 4 games.

 

[Notabaguette]

Big night, give him a chance

 

[Destopcorner]

Feels weird man.

Would Slafkowsky have more points than Roy if Slaf was in the AHL?

Who deserves to play in the NHL between Slaf and Roy? Take away the pedrigree and physiquel, Roy is miles ahead in most categories that count. It's Slaf that should develop at lower levels to improve his understanding of the game even tho he did pretty well with Dacher.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I mean, he would not have had 2 of his 5 points tonight without Farrell so i don’t really get why the negative comment on Farrell now.

No negative comment on Farrell. I just remember the people who were so certain of themselves, who thought Farrell was a better prospect than Roy. The same people who tend to be wrong a lot and never introspect.

 

[danisonfire]

i said so a few years ago and most here called me a lunatic and brought back the WHeRe BROoK memes. he has it.

I remember it.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I mean, he would not have had 2 of his 5 points tonight without Farrell so i don’t really get why the negative comment on Farrell now.

That isn't necessarily true as someone else would have been in Farrell's place and different opportunities may have arrived. If you are going to make such a statement then you would have to also posit that Farrell would have had zero points without Roy.....both assumptions are fallacy ridden and illegitimate.

That being said, Farrell had an outstanding game and may be taking a significant step in his development. It was just one game and Roy has been consistently outstanding as a pro whereas Farrell has mostly struggled. A larger, sustained period of progress is required for tonight's spike in production to signal any conversations about his imminent ascension to gain traction but tonight was a start.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

No negative comment on Farrell. I just remember the people who were so certain of themselves, who thought Farrell was a better prospect than Roy. The same people who tend to be wrong a lot and never introspect.

I have always preferred Roy but everyone on this board who has had the cojones to put an opinion out there has been very wrong about a prospect at one time or another as has every top flight scout in the history of scouting.

It is shooting fish in a barrel to point out draft whiffs....you might as well go to a casino and denigrate the world's top poker players for losing a hand to a common player.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

He played a great game , let's not throw him right now into our ''NHL'' team. Let him cook in the AHL , It's 1 game. It's positive but not let's not rush the process.

 

[MagicalDeck]

He played a great game , let's not throw him right now into our ''NHL'' team. Let him cook in the AHL , It's 1 game. It's positive but not let's not rush the process.

Exactly. Even Lyle Odelein had a 5 point game in the NHL. Let's just chill for now and see how things go in the longer term.

 

[Scriptor]

It may very well be true that nobody has made that exact claim but it is certainly true that if we picked him in the first round the posters who are clamoring for him to stay in Laval all year would be up in arms because he was even sent to Laval in the first place. You'll notice if you really pay attention that a very small percentage of the population is able to focus on objective facts without allowing subjective narrative to mold their own beliefs. This is especially true in tribal forums such as sports where narrative, bias and archetypal truisms reign supreme.

Of course there would bean uproar if Roy had been chosen top-5, for example. There is always one in the first place, as soon as any prospect has a good run, at any level, because fans are so starved for star players in Montreal, especially among the forwards.

Recently, our best forward amounts to Pacioretty, a multiple 30+ goal-scorer over 6 consecutive seasons in Montreal, if I'm not mistaken. Yet, that mark is far from the glory years, or the 40 goals of other players after the start of the gradual decline for the Habs. Never mind the 50 goals from Richer.

Understand the fear of rushing Roy, but it isn't rational. If the player plays his game, within the game, and has a consistent, positive influence on the outcome of the games he plays, he's likely ready for the next step in his development -- Playing in the NHL.

I think we will all know when Roy is ready, and 4 games is not a sample size that removes all doubt.

Looking forward to seeing him play in Montreal, coming off a run that sees him graduate the NHL with maximum confidence and minimal hesitation to use his toolbox full of skills.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Of course there would bean uproar if Roy had been chosen top-5, for example. There is always one in the first place, as soon as any prospect has a good run, at any level, because fans are so starved for star players in Montreal, especially among the forwards.

Recently, our best forward amounts to Pacioretty, a multiple 30+ goal-scorer over 6 consecutive seasons in Montreal, if I'm not mistaken. Yet, that mark is far from the glory years, or the 40 goals of other players after the start of the gradual decline for the Habs. Never mind the 50 goals from Richer.

Understand the fear of rushing Roy, but it isn't rational. If the player plays his game, within the game, and has a consistent, positive influence on the outcome of the games he plays, he's likely ready for the next step in his development -- Playing in the NHL.

I think we will all know when Roy is ready, and 4 games is not a sample size that removes all doubt.

Looking forward to seeing him play in Montreal, coming off a run that sees him graduate the NHL with maximum confidence and minimal hesitation to use his toolbox full of skills.

Well said!

 

[admiralcadillac]

If only Houle wasn’t the coach Roy would have had 10 points tonight.

 

[Kennedys]

Can we wait a few more games ? It's 4 games, four. "he's our best prospect" as seen in this thread. Yeah sure that's why he's in the AHL

 

[Essenege]

I’ll say it again. This guy is a grade A prospect, and if he was from the O and not the Q, with his junior pedigree, WJCs (2nd best player last time around) and training camp, he would have skip the AHL.

He’s physically ready. 9 pts in 4gp. Bring him up and never look back.

 

[ReHabs]

He didn't earn NHL time out of camp, but this is his first pro-season. Let him cook a bit more in the AHL. Maybe even as soon as 10GP will give a suitable sample size.