Prospect Info: Joshua Roy Part 2

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Between Toffoli and Perry. Get it right. I may sound upset because it's not being comprehended well. That's fair right?

Are you saying Toffoli is the max ceiling level? Can't be better?

I can see him being better than Tofu. Perry’s not a bad comparison stylistically. Not as hard nosed but there’s similarities.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I can see him being better than Tofu. Perry’s not a bad comparison stylistically. Not as hard nosed but there’s similarities.

I don’t see Corey Perry in him. Perry was a really physical player.

I think stylistically he’s probably a more defensively conscious Luc Robitaille. I don’t think he’ll score as much as Luc did (Robitaille’s numbers were awesome in his prime) but he could be Robitaille lite on the offense side.

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

If Roy can get his skating to an NHL average level I would say he’s a surefire top 6 player. That’s the main thing holding him back

Toffoli story all the way

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

I don’t see Corey Perry in him. Perry was a really physical player.

I think stylistically he’s probably a more defensively conscious Luc Robitaille. I don’t think he’ll score as much as Luc did (Robitaille’s numbers were awesome in his prime) but he could be Robitaille lite on the offense side.

Oh yeah like I said not the hard nosed edge stuff. But the smarts, puck protection, anticipation etc.

 

[MadMslm]

He’s a better skater than Toffoli that’s for sure. Roy is smart, always finds open spaces on the ice and he’s pretty good finding passing lanes. Good poise with the puck and always around the net.

He’s a silent killer. Toffoli is a good comparison stylistically.

I don’t see anything related Perry. Sure, he can win some battles, but Perry is a puck hound. Just way too good at winning puck battles and gaining time to open space for his teammates. Smart, crafty and extremely elusive at his prime. His physical play, nastiness and ability to play on the edge is vital to what he is.

It doesn’t take anything away from Roy, kid has top 6 potential and might be one of the only forward in our prospect pool to actually make it offensively.

 

[Andrei79]

I don’t see Corey Perry in him. Perry was a really physical player.

I think stylistically he’s probably a more defensively conscious Luc Robitaille. I don’t think he’ll score as much as Luc did (Robitaille’s numbers were awesome in his prime) but he could be Robitaille lite on the offense side.

Yeah, awesome is an understatement. Robitaille retired as the highest scoring LW in history.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

NHL scoring summed from 1987-88 to 1992-93

Player	S/C	Pos	GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM	P/GP	EVG	EVP	PPG	PPP	SHG	SHP	OTG	GWG	S	S%	TOI/GP	FOW%
Mario Lemieux	R	C	362	332	494	826	136	432	2.28	194	448	101	323	37	55	3	36	1,545	21.5	--	--
Wayne Gretzky	L	C	412	222	586	808	86	148	1.96	154	491	50	279	18	38	1	20	1,318	16.8	--	--
Steve Yzerman	R	C	466	331	401	732	98	326	1.57	217	462	77	218	37	52	3	40	1,890	17.5	--	--
Luc Robitaille	L	L	478	303	330	633	46	448	1.32	193	414	108	214	2	5	2	36	1,401	21.6	--	--
Pat LaFontaine	R	C	444	286	325	611	6	319	1.38	181	355	99	250	6	6	3	36	1,550	18.5	--	--
Brett Hull	R	R	454	355	247	602	-10	184	1.33	223	352	127	245	5	5	3	43	2,088	17	--	--
Mark Messier	L	C	435	187	409	596	75	494	1.37	112	353	53	198	22	45	3	24	1,093	17.1	--	--
Adam Oates	R	C	437	143	447	590	45	147	1.35	95	371	44	211	4	8	0	25	990	14.4	--	--
Dale Hawerchuk	L	C	472	181	400	581	-87	268	1.23	100	299	75	272	6	10	2	17	1,437	12.6	--	--
Doug Gilmour	L	C	461	164	393	557	136	479	1.21	86	324	69	211	9	22	0	23	990	16.6	--	--

From 88 to 93, Robitaille was behind only Mario, Gretz and Yzerman. Pretty good company to be in.

So no, I don't think Roy will be that good. I don't want to put that kind of crazy expectation on him. Stylistically they seem similar to me though.

He certainly could be a top six player. Maybe even a first liner. Hopefully he adjusts well to the AHL. Let's wait and see. This season should tell us a lot.

 

[Rapala]

I can see him being better than Tofu. Perry’s not a bad comparison stylistically. Not as hard nosed but there’s similarities.

Corey Perry's eel like slipperiness coupled with his nasty temperment and ability to drive Dmen nuts are not Joshua Roy's game like at all. The only thing even remotely similar is an ability to win pucks along the wall. Just my take.

 

[DinosaurBones]

I can see him being better than Tofu. Perry’s not a bad comparison stylistically. Not as hard nosed but there’s similarities.

I gotta be honest and not trying to be an ass but the Perry comparison is outrageous. I don’t see it in any way.. Even if the main part of the comparison was was board play, then that was even different. Perry found his success from hard nosed dirty work on the boards, Roys success is from having the puck on his stick and slowing the game down and knowing how to manipulate the guy he’s battling against with his smarts and puck skill. So barely comparable other than they both excel there.

Wild comparison in my opinion. Need some back up reasons on this one, otherwise we’re just chucking names out there hoping they land

 

[Bottomshelf]

I see a lot of people here talking about Perry (I certainly was one). For me I brought him up simply because of his skating to elude to the success players can have have in the Habs system or elsewhere if offset my smarts and balance. There is a multitude of players that show this. Toffoli, Tanguay (I like this comparison) Perry, Ryder. Elsewhere we have Stone, Huberdeau. Tons of players that excelled despite skating or lacked top end speed, not necessarily bad skates. Speed is only as good as the time it takes you to process the game, otherwise players like Grabner, Byron, Athenseau and so on would be top line talent.

 

[BenchBrawl]

An absolute beast of a French-Canadian. My deepest admiration for Roy's talent and determination.

 

[Mrb1p]

Lets not forget that hes a worse prospect than Cedric Guindon, or whatever.

 

[DinosaurBones]

I see a lot of people here talking about Perry (I certainly was one). For me I brought him up simply because of his skating to elude to the success players can have have in the Habs system or elsewhere if offset my smarts and balance. There is a multitude of players that show this. Toffoli, Tanguay (I like this comparison) Perry, Ryder. Elsewhere we have Stone, Huberdeau. Tons of players that excelled despite skating or lacked top end speed, not necessarily bad skates. Speed is only as good as the time it takes you to process the game, otherwise players like Grabner, Byron, Athenseau and so on would be top line talent.

I agree with this I just dont know what side you are on.. His speed once he gets to it is not a problem. Its his explosiveness coming out of a dead/close to dead stop. He takes a little too long to get his speed up, and his posture when doing so allows him to be knocked off the puck early. But when he has control of the puck, he has the ability to slow the game down to the speed that he wants to play at. Something that Suzuki is extremely good at. When he has the puck, he decides how fast the pace will be, and this is a huge skill Roy has. Speed through the neutral zone isnt an issue, but his explosiveness is what can most definitely improve. And I think it has, but I also think that hes found ways to manipulate the play to benefit him when its based around the play the he lacks in. If he keeps improving on this, and is as smart as he is in those situations, there really shouldnt be an issue.

 

[Miller Time]

NHL scoring summed from 1987-88 to 1992-93

Player	S/C	Pos	GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM	P/GP	EVG	EVP	PPG	PPP	SHG	SHP	OTG	GWG	S	S%	TOI/GP	FOW%
Mario Lemieux	R	C	362	332	494	826	136	432	2.28	194	448	101	323	37	55	3	36	1,545	21.5	--	--
Wayne Gretzky	L	C	412	222	586	808	86	148	1.96	154	491	50	279	18	38	1	20	1,318	16.8	--	--
Steve Yzerman	R	C	466	331	401	732	98	326	1.57	217	462	77	218	37	52	3	40	1,890	17.5	--	--
Luc Robitaille	L	L	478	303	330	633	46	448	1.32	193	414	108	214	2	5	2	36	1,401	21.6	--	--
Pat LaFontaine	R	C	444	286	325	611	6	319	1.38	181	355	99	250	6	6	3	36	1,550	18.5	--	--
Brett Hull	R	R	454	355	247	602	-10	184	1.33	223	352	127	245	5	5	3	43	2,088	17	--	--
Mark Messier	L	C	435	187	409	596	75	494	1.37	112	353	53	198	22	45	3	24	1,093	17.1	--	--
Adam Oates	R	C	437	143	447	590	45	147	1.35	95	371	44	211	4	8	0	25	990	14.4	--	--
Dale Hawerchuk	L	C	472	181	400	581	-87	268	1.23	100	299	75	272	6	10	2	17	1,437	12.6	--	--
Doug Gilmour	L	C	461	164	393	557	136	479	1.21	86	324	69	211	9	22	0	23	990	16.6	--	--

From 88 to 93, Robitaille was behind only Mario, Gretz and Yzerman. Pretty good company to be in.

So no, I don't think Roy will be that good. I don't want to put that kind of crazy expectation on him. Stylistically they seem similar to me though.

He certainly could be a top six player. Maybe even a first liner. Hopefully he adjusts well to the AHL. Let's wait and see. This season should tell us a lot.

His SH point totals are hilarious

Bet you Roy beats him at least there lol

 

[Vachon23]

Tanguay and Toffoli are good comparaison

Perry is not a good one though

 

[417]

Tanguay and Toffoli are good comparaison

Perry is not a good one though

I remember Tanguay as being a perimeter playmaker, a Drouin type player but way better.

Not sure I see that in Roy, he's got a bit more edge in his game and a goal scorer’s instinct.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I don’t see Corey Perry in him. Perry was a really physical player.

I think stylistically he’s probably a more defensively conscious Luc Robitaille. I don’t think he’ll score as much as Luc did (Robitaille’s numbers were awesome in his prime) but he could be Robitaille lite on the offense side.

A Ribitaille with grit I have to say.

He's impossible to compare with. I see Toffoli as the closest example. Or a bigger Robitaille with a bit less goals and points but a bit better defensivly. A player that ends the season +/- between +5 to +17.

 

[Nedved]

Perry was such a treat that year. We got to see what hall of fame talent up front looked like for the first time in over two decades.

What a treat it would've been to watch him in his prime every night. absolutely incredible hockey player.

I think Roy carves out his own unique skill set and name. I don't think I would compare him to anyone right now, just think his ceiling is high, always looks so different than everyone else on the ice. his iq and his tools are hard to compare until he does it at the nhl level.

 

[Vachon23]

I really like Roy but don’t expect a player that’s gonna play with an edge. Maybe in playoffs or in important moment but he’s someone that can take game off during the season

 

[BaseballCoach]

I don’t see Corey Perry in him. Perry was a really physical player.

I think stylistically he’s probably a more defensively conscious Luc Robitaille. I don’t think he’ll score as much as Luc did (Robitaille’s numbers were awesome in his prime) but he could be Robitaille lite on the offense side.

Robitaille was way too much of a star scorer for me to be ready to compare Roy to him.

I really like the comparisons to Toffoli though of course Roy is a LH shot.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Perry was such a treat that year. We got to see what hall of fame talent up front looked like for the first time in over two decades.

We got a foretaste when Kovalchuk was here for one third of the first COVID shortened season. Even MORE talented than Perry, skills-wise. For 22 games, he got people out of their seats even at 36 years old.

 

[Nedved]

We got a foretaste when Kovalchuk was here for one third of the first COVID shortened season. Even MORE talented than Perry, skills-wise. For 22 games, he got people out of their seats even at 36 years old.

totally forgot about him. his OT goals were a nice treat. man, imagine the buzz if we had a kovalchuk for a decade.


I think Roy is going to make this team. His IQ is nhl level. He'll adapt quickly, especially with the right linemates. Clearly I'm a fanboy.

 

[HankyZetts]

totally forgot about him. his OT goals were a nice treat. man, imagine the buzz if we had a kovalchuk for a decade.


I think Roy is going to make this team. His IQ is nhl level. He'll adapt quickly, especially with the right linemates. Clearly I'm a fanboy.

Ever since the 22 wjcs, I get more excited about him the more I see him play. I think he's got an elite skillset, starting with his IQ. Habs could really use a homerun here.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Ever since the 22 wjcs, I get more excited about him the more I see him play. I think he's got an elite skillset, starting with his IQ. Habs could really use a homerun here.

When was the last time the Habs drafted someone who won his CHL league's scoring title?

 

[Mrb1p]

When was the last time the Habs drafted someone who won his CHL league's scoring title?

Corey Locke for sure.