Player Discussion Josh Norris C 6’1” - Part 2

[Big Muddy]

Norris already has a “ shoulder specialist” that is who he consulted, and rehabilitation and surgery were the two recommendations…. Norris chose rehabbing, because going in for survgery is 100% the players choice, not the team.

Ya, I understand they already have shoulder specialists. Thanks for unnecessarily pointing out the obvious.

I was talking about better shoulder specialists, or at least ones that are a little more convincing.

 

[swiftwin]

Ya, I understand they already have shoulder specialists. Thanks for unnecessarily pointing out the obvious.

I was talking about better shoulder specialists, or at least ones that are a little more convincing.

They saw 5 doctors and 2 specialists, including the one who performed the shoulder surgery on Josh when he was in college.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

Ugh… at the back of my mind, the flag that I was choosing to ignore is that when someone gets 5 or 6 opinions, they might be looking for an opinion that supports what they want. With how quickly this went south, I’ll bet some of those specialists recommended surgery.

Oh well, essentially 3 months lost, he could have been back training on the ice by now if he got the surgery right away. I hope the surgery does what it needs to.

 

[Big Muddy]

They saw 5 doctors and 2 specialists, including the one who performed the shoulder surgery on Josh when he was in college.

Yes, I know and thanks for point out what was already known. But, so what? All I'm saying is I hope the BEST shoulder specialists are the ones they are dealing with.

We don't know what any of these doctors or specialists told Norris of course, but the best case scenario is they gave him the advice that he was prone to re-injure the shoulder and would need surgery anyhow, but Norris insisted on rehab.

I know you're going to defend whatever management/doctors did anyways like you always do, so don't bother responding. My initial post (#1136) was a droll comment anyhow.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Does a thre year contract change anything?

It means we are less screwed in the medium-to-long term.

As things stand now, we should be very worried about us "losing" that investment that looked very risky at the onset. Signing him for 8 years is a textbook unforced error.

I like Norris, I really hope for his and our sakes that this isn't going to turn into a

 

[coladin]

It means we are less screwed in the medium-to-long term.

As things stand now, we should be very worried about us "losing" that investment that looked very risky at the onset. Signing him for 8 years is a textbook unforced error.

I like Norris, I really hope for his and our sakes that this isn't going to turn into a

Unless he stays healthy and costs 10M in three years? There is always a risk, and I still endorse the Norris contract

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Norris already has a “ shoulder specialist” that is who he consulted, and rehabilitation and surgery were the two recommendations…. Norris chose rehabbing, because going in for survey is 100% the players choice, not the team.

As well it should be. He made his choice and this is the result.

Sucks but the season was pretty much done anyway. This just cements it.

 

[SPF6ty9]

Not surprising after that clip from Saturday. Sometimes you can rehab a dislocation all you want and it won't matter. Looking forward to having him back next year healthy. We'll need him.

 

[slamigo]

I don't think the 8 year contract was a huge risk. It's a dangerous sport. Any player, at any time could take a hit that could end their season or possibly even their career. So I don't have any issue with the Norris contract.
It just seems to me like some folks employed 'magical thinking' when assessing his return to play.

 

[KingAlfie11]

Thats life folks shit happens you know! I'm not gonna go around and trying to find a culprit it doesn't matter anyway the most important is that Norris comes back next 100% healthy.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Unless he stays healthy and costs 10M in three years? There is always a risk, and I still endorse the Norris contract

The problem isn't that there was a risk. It is that we signed a player who had already suffered more than one significant shoulder injury to an 8 year deal.

You can't sign everyone to max year deals and that isn't an indictment of the players, it is just smart business. You need a cap structure, that structure is there to mitigate the effects of risk. When you blow up the structure and increase risk exposure, this happens.

 

[swiftwin]

Also, we don't even know how severely, or even if he injured it last game. It could have just been a very minor tweak, or it just felt funny, so they decided to do the surgery. He did end up playing on the PP for a shift after the supposed injury happened.

 

[Xspyrit]

Everyday is less day for the current regime. I'll be coming to games when Keanu Reaves buys the team!

 

[aragorn]

Too bad for Norris, hopefully he comes back stronger as Pinto has.

 

[Ice-Tray]

He's already had surgery on the shoulder. There is no permanent fix, there is just fixing it, same as last time

He will be 100%ish, but will be very prone to reinjuring it, even moreso than he was after his 1st shoulder surgery 3 years ago

I seem to remember that it was a completely different injury that had nothing to do with the previous injury.

Either way, rehab didn’t work and it needs surgery, better to know now, and I mean better for Josh to know now, and get it done right away, and be ready for next season.

 

[Yak]

I knew he needed that surgery and should have gotten it done earlier. Shoulders usually are not the same again without surgery. I wish the best for Josh

 

[DylanSensFan]

Ugh… at the back of my mind, the flag that I was choosing to ignore is that when someone gets 5 or 6 opinions, they might be looking for an opinion that supports what they want. With how quickly this went south, I’ll bet some of those specialists recommended surgery.

Oh well, essentially 3 months lost, he could have been back training on the ice by now if he got the surgery right away. I hope the surgery does what it needs to.

Extremely disappointing. I feel like the staff of this team should have just said get the surgery.

 

[PlayOn]

The problem isn't that there was a risk. It is that we signed a player who had already suffered more than one significant shoulder injury to an 8 year deal.

You can't sign everyone to max year deals and that isn't an indictment of the players, it is just smart business. You need a cap structure, that structure is there to mitigate the effects of risk. When you blow up the structure and increase risk exposure, this happens.

For a franchise that has had so many star players exit/traded in terrible fashion, I find it hard to critique the decision to lock up a young core.

There’s always been a decent chance that at least one of these contracts backfire - that’s the risk in the entire strategy. But we don’t know how Norris will recover from this, and he’s a vital piece. He very clearly wanted the term for obvious reasons and if you go in refusing to give him that, maybe he becomes disenchanted and as he gets closer to UFA decides he’s ready for greener pastures. The team went this direction to avoid these exact scenarios, for better or for worse. Personally I take the gamble every time… if we’re to win anything in the near future we need him.

 

[DylanSensFan]

It is bothersome to me that people are already talking about the Norris contract. Even with one shoulder he is still a more dynamic and physical player than DeBrincat, by a long shot. His shoulder will get fixed and we will get Norris back in full health next season. I look forward to it.

 

[CorrectOpinion]

Norris will come to be known as a leader on this team.

No need to throw Debrincat under the bus. I hope he stays here too.

 

[DylanSensFan]

Norris will come to be known as a leader on this team.

No need to throw Debrincat under the bus. I hope he stays here too.

I am simply stating that people are all too willing to throw Norris under. DeBrincat is a very streaky player. I just wish when he wasn't scoring, I noticed him more in terms of defensive play and checking.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

So all that rehab and rest only to rush him back to play for less than a week and now he needs surgery and the rehab has to start all over again.

Not sure how this wasn't posted yet.

 

[CorrectOpinion]

I understand why Norris wanted to avoid surgery. I would too if possible. Unfortunately he needed surgery. The human body is complicated, hindsight is 20/20, and being a Sens fan sucks.

 

[bicboi64]

This seems like a shitty situation for everyone involved. Norris wanted to be back asap (as any young player would), the docs seemed to do as much as they could but it feels like management dropped the ball.

The notion of playing a centre who's shoulder isn't healthy enough to take faceoffs blows my mind. I was nervous and confused that he was back, even though he can't safely do a significant part of his job as a centre, yet he's playing. It just screams bush league. Young players want to play, someone needs to be an adult and say "not until you can do your job".

 

[Adrianopolous]

This might turn out to be the worst contract of all time