Player Discussion Josh Norris C 6’1” - Part 2

[Cosmix]

Nah

We need to get better players and the Norris for Horvat proposal does not do as much as getting a top 2/4 RD.

My view is that we need a new owner who is willing to pay to the salary cap ceiling plus a new GM who is better at making trades to improve the roster. A new coach next season would be OK too; however, it is the new owner and GM that is likely going to be the more important factors in making the team better.

 

[coladin]

You completely ignored my point. Of course you cant comprehend it.

I already explained to you that it is 4 to 6 months. When the recovery is 4 to 6 months, this means that at the end of the time period, anywhere between 4 to 6 months, the shoulder will be 100% , in 4 to 6 months. If you would like him to press 120lbs an arm to make it stronger, well, ok. But 4 to 6 months is when Josh will be able to resume NOT his daily living activities, but his NHL activities, including faceoffs.

 

[bert]

I already explained to you that it is 4 to 6 months. When the recovery is 4 to 6 months, this means that at the end of the time period, anywhere between 4 to 6 months, the shoulder will be 100% , in 4 to 6 months. If you would like him to press 120lbs an arm to make it stronger, well, ok. But 4 to 6 months is when Josh will be able to resume NOT his daily living activities, but his NHL activities, including faceoffs.

Its 4 months less of training time. How do you not understand that will impact his performance next season?

 

[chaser17]

Does anyone know what the actual injury is? I hate how vague they are, why can't they just say he's undergoing surgery to repair X, Y, or Z like every other sport. Its not like the NHL is running gambling ads every 2nd commercial or anything...

 

[Cosmix]

Praying to all my Hindu and then the Hockey gods that if he comes back, he doesn't get injured

You and your friends have failed!

 

[swiftwin]

They pulled another Pinto

Fire everyone who was responsible for 2 of our top 3 centers coming back too early from shoulder injuries.

After suffering a shoulder injury on Oct. 22 while taking a faceoff against the Arizona Coyotes, Norris was given the green light to come back this week. He saw five doctors and two specialists before opting not to have surgery in November.

“You never want to hear that you need surgery and that’s why you see multiple people,” Norris said before facing the Pittsburgh Penguins at home. “I trusted the (doctor) that ultimately we agreed with. I feel good right now so I’m glad that we trusted him.”

source

It might be hard to fire doctors that do not work for the organization...

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

This just in...

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[coladin]

Rushing back a shoulder injury versus wearing a cage to protect a healing face is totally the same thing. Perfect comparison. Did we bring someone back into the lineup with an ingrown toenail that you'd like to compare as well?

Just because he is wearing a cage does not protect zub from a boarding call that smashes that plate in his face anyways. Or an open ice hit. A guy comes back from breaking his wrist, there will always be some precautions. Take faceoffs? Ok, but don't fight just in case, right?

Ultimately, the doctors, both Norris and team doctors , cleared Norris to play

 

[Micklebot]

After suffering a shoulder injury on Oct. 22 while taking a faceoff against the Arizona Coyotes, Norris was given the green light to come back this week. He saw five doctors and two specialists before opting not to have surgery in November.

“You never want to hear that you need surgery and that’s why you see multiple people,” Norris said before facing the Pittsburgh Penguins at home. “I trusted the (doctor) that ultimately we agreed with. I feel good right now so I’m glad that we trusted him.”

source

It might be hard to fire doctors that do not work for the organization...

I mean, technically it's easier, you just don't go back to them next time you seek external opinions

 

[swiftwin]

I mean, technically it's easier, you just don't go back to them next time you seek external opinions

Fair point

 

[Hale The Villain]

After suffering a shoulder injury on Oct. 22 while taking a faceoff against the Arizona Coyotes, Norris was given the green light to come back this week. He saw five doctors and two specialists before opting not to have surgery in November.

“You never want to hear that you need surgery and that’s why you see multiple people,” Norris said before facing the Pittsburgh Penguins at home. “I trusted the (doctor) that ultimately we agreed with. I feel good right now so I’m glad that we trusted him.”

source

It might be hard to fire doctors that do not work for the organization...

Those doctors should not be trusted if they are giving the green light to someone that can't take faceoffs.

Sound like a bunch of yes men for a desperate GM and coach trying to get him back ASAP to help make the playoffs to save their sorry asses.

 

[coladin]

Its 4 months less of training time. How do you not understand that will impact his performance next season?

And who are you to say that anyways? Who am I? Bert, this is in the doctor's hands, and whether you think Josh needs 7 or 8 months, that is completely irrelevant to world renowned shoulder experts and what they recommend.

4 to 6 months, let's take 6 months, means that Josh Norris will be able to play in the NHL after 6 months. This is not about wiping his bum, or other daily activities. The rehab begins as soon as the doctors feel he can start. He is not sitting there, waiting for 6 months to start rehabbing. If he has surgery this week. January 26, let's speculate, this will bring him to July 26, with still another 2 months plus of continued training and muscle stengthening

 

[ksens]

Ultimately, the doctors, both Norris and team doctors , cleared Norris to play

And management agreed and put him in.

And combined, therein lies the problem. Twice in two years.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

After suffering a shoulder injury on Oct. 22 while taking a faceoff against the Arizona Coyotes, Norris was given the green light to come back this week. He saw five doctors and two specialists before opting not to have surgery in November.

“You never want to hear that you need surgery and that’s why you see multiple people,” Norris said before facing the Pittsburgh Penguins at home. “I trusted the (doctor) that ultimately we agreed with. I feel good right now so I’m glad that we trusted him.”

source

It might be hard to fire doctors that do not work for the organization...

Wow. There it is from the horse's mouth.

 

[coladin]

Those doctors should not be trusted if they are giving the green light to someone that can't take faceoffs.

Sound like a bunch of yes men for a desperate GM and coach trying to get him back ASAP to help make the playoffs to save their sorry asses.

OK. Who can be trusted then

 

[Cosmix]

Lol

I thought it was clever. I can’t tell if you are joking though.

The shoulder (glenohumeral is a complex suspended joint. Face offs can put an unnatural torque on the shoulder, which might not be anticipated (reduces ability to brace correctly). I can see why a player is cleared to play with a precaution of not taking face offs until some rehabilitation milestone is met. We don’t know what the specific injury was, presumably something to do with the rotator cuff (which is four muscular tendons that essentially are what holds the humeral head in place within the shoulder). It’s a guess though.

Like many, I’m still a bit nervous watching him play, I hope the non-surgical option was well-advised, without increased risk of subsequent injury.

I was hoping for a movie showing me the various parts and how they work together when taking faceoffs!

 

[DrEasy]

OK. Who can be trusted then

Given the strong negative correlation between this front office's instincts and the results, we should pull a George Costanza and trust the decision that is opposite this front office's instincts, and we should be back in the playoffs.

 

[Hale The Villain]

OK. Who can be trusted then

People who don't give the go ahead to a player who can't even do something as routine as taking a faceoff.

Ideally people who weigh the short-term benefits of Norris coming back before his shoulder is completely healed compared to the potential long-term downside of re-injuring it or suffering a setback which then would require surgery and possibly impact his game next season.

 

[Cosmix]

of course the player is going to do anything to play. Someone needs to be the adult in the room tho. to say its not on the org is insane

Just you wait and see what Dorion does next. Got to win meaningful games this season. Got to get a 1/2 RD now. Got to get the team going now so we can start better next season.

 

[slamigo]

Was Zub at 100% or did he wear a cage to heal his broken face? Was that wrong too?

That isn't a reasonable argument. Pretend we were sitting at a table chatting. You wouldn't say that.
It's a completely different situation and different injury. How would wearing a facemask be equal to not being able to take face offs due to injury? Please don't lash out. I'm not sure why posters get so sensitive and argue against logic?
Norris could not take a face-off due to the severe risk of reinjuring his shoulder. That seems like an unreasonable position to put the kid in. If it was my son, I would have advised against it because it was simply a terrible idea. Why do you continue to gas light? Enough.

 

[Micklebot]

OK. Who can be trusted then

I'm sure there's a website where you filling a webform or something and it will spit out a diagnosis...

 

[Cosmix]

Ultimately it falls on Dorion here. He's at the top.

But not the very top; but yeah I want Dorion gone for many other reasons too.

 

[swiftwin]

People who don't give the go ahead to a player who can't even do something as routine as taking a faceoff.

Ideally people who weigh the short-term benefits of Norris coming back before his shoulder is completely healed compared to the potential long-term downside of re-injuring it or suffering a setback which then would require surgery and possibly impact his game next season.

That's probably why Norris returned to the lineup now! So that it doesn't impact next season.

If he had returned later this season, or even next season without surgery, it's possible that he could have injured it the same way and required surgery, causing us to lose him again next season.

Next season is the top top priority. That's why he started playing now.

 

[Nova Stutzlia]

That's probably why Norris returned to the lineup now! So that it doesn't impact next season.

If he had returned later this season, or even next season without surgery, it's possible that he could have injured it the same way and required surgery, causing us to lose him again next season.

Next season is the top top priority. That's why he started playing now.

Maybe we could say: "He took one for the team".

 

[Ice-Tray]

Well, if you guys find a way to fire all the doctors, can you send them all out to BC? We need them over here