Player Discussion Josh Norris C 6’1” - Part 2

[devbouz12]

Boy, are we gonna celebrate when they can Dorion &co!

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

The season has been over for months. This reeks of an organization trying to bring a player back to win games down the stretch and save their jobs.

Of course Norris is going to want to play and try and get back in the lineup. This is on the medical staff and management of this organization to make the right long term decisions and not act like selfish assholes, yet here we are.

This organization is embarrassing. Entire coaching staff and management should be canned.

Entire front office, coaching staff and trainers need to be gone asap, what a gong show organization

What a f***ing embarrassing organization this is. f***ing front office is chock-full of losers

Wrong, this is on Norris, 100% all day long. He listened to all the advise, and made the decision all on his own, no one would just do what their employer suggests they do, when it comes to your health.... his body, his choice.... and YES he is allowed to make the wrong choice, but now there is no choice.

 

[BondraTime]

Wrong, this is on Norris, 100% all day long. He listened to all the advise, and made the decision all on his own, no one would just do what their employer suggests they do, when it comes to your health.... his body, his choice.... and YES he is allowed to make the wrong choice, but now there is no choice.

Eichel was allowed to do what he wanted for his health to eh? Org had no say whatsoever?

 

[coladin]

This was Josh Norris' call. This was what his medical experts and what Josh Norris wanted to do. He had absolutely nothing to lose to try and rehab it. I commend the organization for leaving up the decision to the player.

Did you want a Kevyn Adams- Jack Eichel scenario instead?

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Wrong, this is on Norris, 100% all day long. He listened to all the advise, and made the decision all on his own, no one would just do what their employer suggests they do, when it comes to your health.... his body, his choice.... and YES he is allowed to make the wrong choice, but now there is no choice.

Cool don't give a shit. This has happened twice under the watch of the upper management of this organization.

You don't reward incompetence by still employing them.

 

[DaveMatthew]

This was John Norris' call. This was what his medical experts and what Josh Norris wanted to do. He had absolutely nothing to lose to try and rehab it. I commend the organization for leaving up the decision to the player.

Did you want a Kevyn Adams- Jack Eichel scenario instead?

It was Norris' choice to rehab instead of getting surgery.

It was the org's blunder to dress him before he had finished that rehab.

When you admit, in public, that a player is not healthy/strong enough to take faceoffs, they shouldn't be playing.

 

[K1900L]

Wow, what I had written during last game when he seemed to have injured himself actually became true. Don't play players who obviously aren't at 100%.
This is utterly ridicilous.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Eichel was allowed to do what he wanted for his health to eh? Org had no say whatsoever? Jesus Christ….

Yes, you're correct.

He is an individual, with rights, and does NOT have to accept whatever the Organization suggested.

IF you were in his place, would you have blindly done what the team asked/suggested, or would you've sought out other opinions and then make up you own mind?

 

[Larionov]

This will be an unpopular take, but I'll defend Norris and the medical staff here.

First off, surgery sucks. I have had ACL surgery twice, and I can assure you that reconstructive surgery is not a ton of fun. If there was a way to avoid it via rehab, I would have taken that option. In this case, Norris and an expert in the field felt that it was worth a shot to try to rest and rehab the shoulder, and possibly avoid surgery. Therefore, they went down that road. Unfortunately, it didn't work out, but it is important to note that trying the rehab route did not hurt the player's long term health in any way. Also, given that the recovery timeline is about six months, it really didn't make a ton of difference if he had the surgery now or ten weeks ago - in either case, his season was over, and he would be recovered in time for camp. (You may recall that last year, there was some thought that Pinto might be able to get into a few games at the end of the year after his early November surgery. It didn't work out, but he was close.)

Finally, it's important that the club left the player's medical choices in his hands. Now, Norris can go forward knowing that the club had his back and respected his choices. This stands in start contrast to the Jack Eichel situation in Buffalo, where the club tried to impose their choice on the player and ended up poisoning the relationship. That didn't happen here. This sucks, but Norris's shoulder is going to get fixed up and he'll be back for camp...

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Yes, you're correct.

He is an individual, with rights, and does NOT have to accept whatever the Organization suggested.

IF you were in his place, would you have blindly done what the team asked/suggested, or would you've sought out other opinions and then make up you own mind?

Not really... but it is a grey area

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[Burrowsaurus]

It's worse than that, Josh and DJ themselves said that he was feeling ok and there was no issue after the game.

So I guess they just didn't know he had reinjured it?

Norris I understand. DJ and the GM. Clowns the both of them

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

It was Norris' choice to rehab instead of getting surgery.

It was the org's blunder to dress him before he had finished that rehab.

When you admit, in public, that a player is not healthy/strong enough to take faceoffs, they shouldn't be playing.

It still comes down to the player, he decides if he's ready to return to ice, in games..... if this were not true, athletes in all pro sports would be suing their teams all the time.

 

[Wondercarrot]

I’m going to file this under “the least surprising Sens news” this year.

 

[DaveMatthew]

It still comes down to the player, he decides if he's ready to return to ice, in games..... if this were not true, athletes in all pro sports would be suing their teams all the time.

Players don't decide when they play.

I have no doubt that Norris was pushing to play. I also have no doubt that Dorion and DJ are throwing shit at the wall to try and salvage their careers.

If we had a management team that had job security and were able to acknowledge what this team is (ie. not good, with no chance at the playoffs, that should be aiming for a high pick), Norris would have been shut down.

But our group is in full panic mode.

 

[BondraTime]

It still comes down to the player, he decides if he's ready to return to ice, in games..... if this were not true, athletes in all pro sports would be suing their teams all the time.

Hahahahahaba are you serious?

 

[Larionov]

Eichel was allowed to do what he wanted for his health to eh? Org had no say whatsoever?

The Eichel situation is a good comparison. In that one, Buffalo tried to force the athlete to accept the treatment plan that they and their doctors wanted. In this scenario, Norris was allowed to choose, so he has no reason to be bitter towards the club. This sucks, but respecting the athlete's wishes and letting him try to rehab was the right call. It did no further damage, and the recovery timeline (season over, back for camp next September) ends up being the same.

 

[bert]

Like why cant dorion be bounced by the board and have young ryan bowness keep the gm box warm till summer

Right?!

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

So they did the same shit with the same injury to Norris as they did with Pinto last year and they both ended up losing the entire year and end up having surgeries at the end, both returned, played a couple of games and reinjured their shoulders.

Man can't wait for new ownership.

 

[swiftwin]

Lmfao at all the internet armchair doctors in this thread.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

The Eichel situation is a good comparison. In that one, Buffalo tried to force the athlete to accept the treatment plan that they and their doctors wanted. In this scenario, Norris was allowed to choose, so he has no reason to be bitter towards the club. This sucks, but respecting the athlete's wishes and letting him try to rehab was the right call. It did no further damage, and the recovery timeline (season over, back for camp next September) ends up being the same.

they rushed him back into the lineup to save the season because Dorion and DJ are worried they will never get an NHL job again.

even though the season was lost in the first month and there was no reason to rush Norris back.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Players don't decide when they play.

Players can take themselves off the roster at anytime, if they don't feel 100% or whatever level they feel comfortable with, IF the think there is a good chance at re injuring themself.

We've seen goaltenders pull themselves from games, and you don't see the coach forcing them back in the crease.

To suggest that a team, knowing there is a high risk of re injuring a player, by putting them back into action is ludicrous.

Norris listened to whatever the training staff told him (no one on this site knows what that was) he knew how he felt after participating in full contact practice for weeks, and decided on his own to return to the line up.

100% on Norris.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

they rushed him back into the lineup to save the season because Dorion and DJ are worried they will never get an NHL job again.

even though the season was lost in the first month and there was no reason to rush Norris back.

Oh… I read he wanted to play weeks ago and they pushed back.

 

[Dionysus]

What an absolute joke. Pinto last year, Norris this year. Ridiculously short-sighted decisions by this management group. Clown show. Can't clean house soon enough.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Back on IR.

EDIT:

adjusting his elbow pad?

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Oh… I read he wanted to play weeks ago and they pushed back.

yea most players will always want to play. even if injured.

and they couldn't trust him to take faceoffs but he was ready? he gets knocked out while slashing a player and he was ready?