Player Discussion Josh Norris (C) 6’-1” - Part 3

[Norris4Norris]

You said the expectations set out by the organization, then goal post moved them, to your subliminal opinion.

Haha

The Senators organization have actually been talking for years about a rebuild. The next step is the playoffs, otherwise there is no growth and there is no re-build.

Pat Riley would talk about the evolution of the game of basketball. I feel it is pertinent to the NHL considering the format of the league (82 games, 7 game series in the playoffs).

You go from nobody to an upstart. Then from an upstart to winner, a winner to a contender, a contender to a champion and lastly a champion to a dynasty.

Right now we are an upstart, TSN is highlighting how well PD has drafted and how good all of our young players are.

The next step is to be a winner, as in we win enough games to make the playoffs. Some people might not see us as a winner unless we win two playoff rounds but that is besides the point. We are on track and everyone knows what stop is next.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

So... should I panic more or less?



Apparently it's all in his head

DJ calls Norris a head case... Film at 11

 

[LuckyPierre]

You can't force players to take surgery they don't want to take. We don't want an Eichel situation on our hands. Norris wanted to try rehab first, even though there was the possibility he would need surgery no matter what. He rehabbed it as much as as he could up to the point where he was risking the start of this season, then pushed it as hard as he could to see if the rehab was enough. It wasn't enough, so he got surgery, and now he'll be ready for the start of this season.

The team handled it perfectly. They let Norris seek the medical advice from multiple experts. They then respected Norris' wish to go the rehab route, up until the point where he was risking the start of this season.

The exact same situation played out with Robertson on the Leafs, and Caufield on the Habs. They both injured their shoulders and tried rehab or even play through the injury up until January, where they, like Norris, got shoulder surgery to be ready just in time for the start of this season.

Not a chance. When your centre returns from injury without the ability to take faceoffs, the organization is reaching. It was a major fumble.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

It would be highly irresponsible for doctors' to approve a player for contact, when there is structural damage in the shoulder. It is quite simple.

They could be wrong, no doubt, but I am not arguing that.

They cleared him last year too.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

DJ wants to unleash Norris on an unsuspecting opponent. It's his only way of possibly getting a win in the early part of the season.

 

[bert]

You can't force players to take surgery they don't want to take. We don't want an Eichel situation on our hands. Norris wanted to try rehab first, even though there was the possibility he would need surgery no matter what. He rehabbed it as much as as he could up to the point where he was risking the start of this season, then pushed it as hard as he could to see if the rehab was enough. It wasn't enough, so he got surgery, and now he'll be ready for the start of this season.

The team handled it perfectly. They let Norris seek the medical advice from multiple experts. They then respected Norris' wish to go the rehab route, up until the point where he was risking the start of this season.

The exact same situation played out with Robertson on the Leafs, and Caufield on the Habs. They both injured their shoulders and tried rehab or even play through the injury up until January, where they, like Norris, got shoulder surgery to be ready just in time for the start of this season.

This is absolutely insane. He's still hurt. Thats not at all what happend with Caufield he shut it down immediately to get surgery. Having to seek multiple experts to get the diagnosis you want which was quite clearly wrong is not how to handle an asset that you ow 64 million dollars to. His career is in the balance and they had him come back unecessarily early.

 

[PaulD]

This is absolutely insane. He's still hurt. Thats not at all what happend with Caufield he shut it down immediately to get surgery. Having to seek multiple experts to get the diagnosis you want which was quite clearly wrong is not how to handle an asset that you ow 64 million dollars to. His career is in the balance and they had him come back unecessarily early.

and the player wanted to know ....if he could come back now.
There is no villain here.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

lol…How can anyone say the organization handled it perfectly? Literally the same thing happened to Pinto the year earlier.

 

[Golden_Jet]

This is absolutely insane. He's still hurt. Thats not at all what happend with Caufield he shut it down immediately to get surgery. Having to seek multiple experts to get the diagnosis you want which was quite clearly wrong is not how to handle an asset that you ow 64 million dollars to. His career is in the balance and they had him come back unecessarily early.

The player also has a say, and they got a second and third and possibly a fourth opinion (lost track). So there’s probably a lot of blame to go around.

Eichel took a stand on surgery until he got traded, (though I did agree with him after listening to a long doctor interview on a podcast, before he had surgery)

 

[Icelevel]

This is a bit of a weird situation now with DJ just confirming with gord Wilson pregame that they thought he’d be out there and they want him out there but the player doesn’t feel he’s ready.
I’m supporting Josh right now. He knows how he feels better than anyone else.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

DJ calls Norris a head case... Film at 11

user exaggerates media statement on HFSens to paint coach in negative light... re-run at 1am

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

user exaggerates media statement on HFSens to paint coach in negative light... re-run at 1am

it was a joke there 18

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

it was a joke there 18

and I was being sarcastic...

[hug emoji]

 

[Emerica]

Can relate

 

[Rodzilla]

Honestly what a shit show.

Ill be the negative one but the team isnt making the playoffs without Norris.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Honestly what a shit show.

Ill be the negative one but the team isnt making the playoffs without Norris.

by when? 3 games, 5 games, 8 games? how many can he miss

 

[Micklebot]

Honestly what a shit show.

Ill be the negative one but the team isnt making the playoffs without Norris.

I mean, we were what, 6 pts off without Norris last year and have added Chychrun, should have a more experienced Pinto, healthy Batherson, and added depth of Tank and Kublilk to mitigate any loss from Debrincat.

I doubt we're missing Norris all year, but if we are, we're still in a better spot than we were last year.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Honestly what a shit show.

Ill be the negative one but the team isnt making the playoffs without Norris.

That’s a coaching problem. One injury should not tank your season. The team should be able to function without its second line Center

 

[swiftwin]

This is absolutely insane. He's still hurt. Thats not at all what happend with Caufield he shut it down immediately to get surgery. Having to seek multiple experts to get the diagnosis you want which was quite clearly wrong is not how to handle an asset that you ow 64 million dollars to. His career is in the balance and they had him come back unecessarily early.

Caufield did not immediately shut it down. He separated his shoulder twice and had to pop it back in before. Canadiens forward Caufield separated shoulder twice, popped it back in both times

You're the insane one here. You're the one pretending to know Norris' medical history. You're the one fabricating lies. The team played this by the book, exactly the same way other teams have.

 

[Rodzilla]

I mean, we were what, 6 pts off without Norris last year and have added Chychrun, should have a more experienced Pinto, healthy Batherson, and added depth of Tank and Kublilk to mitigate any loss from Debrincat.

I doubt we're missing Norris all year, but if we are, we're still in a better spot than we were last year.

Cant argue that but we were mostly a one line and PP team. There are odds we regress. Again just an opinion, but hopefully we dont throw Pinto on the 2nd like last year

 

[Micklebot]

Cant argue that but we were mostly a one line and PP team. There are odds we regress. Again just an opinion, but hopefully we dont throw Pinto on the 2nd like last year

I think our added depth and superior d group should help resolve the one line issue. I also think we have the talent to put out a very good pp again.

And if you want to talk about regression, it works both ways, what are the odds our 5v5 sh% is once again worst in the league in spite of some pretty good shooting talent?

 

[MarkStone]

I mean, we were what, 6 pts off without Norris last year and have added Chychrun, should have a more experienced Pinto, healthy Batherson, and added depth of Tank and Kublilk to mitigate any loss from Debrincat.

I doubt we're missing Norris all year, but if we are, we're still in a better spot than we were last year.

I think the take you quoted and your take can both be true.

We’ve probably improved in depth and development but Norris is understatedly crucial in what this core’s potential can be.

And frankly, until they make the playoffs the skepticism is understandable, Norris tilts the ice so much for us when he is in the lineup, playing consistent games, and feeling confident.

 

[bishop12]

Is he seriously not healthy and it sounds like they have to redo it???

 

[Rodzilla]

I think our added depth and superior d group should help resolve the one line issue. I also think we have the talent to put out a very good pp again.

And if you want to talk about regression, it works both ways, what are the odds our 5v5 sh% is once again worst in the league in spite of some pretty good shooting talent?

I hope you are right. I am not as optimistic and I find this whole Norris situation dumb and annoying

 

[HSF]

I think our added depth and superior d group should help resolve the one line issue. I also think we have the talent to put out a very good pp again.

And if you want to talk about regression, it works both ways, what are the odds our 5v5 sh% is once again worst in the league in spite of some pretty good shooting talent?

if our centre depth is weak it will be tough. The sens really need Norris back

Injuries will happen and guys will have to step up but missing Norris long term will definitely hurt

I think teams like Buffalo, Pens and Det have also improved so the margins will be slim