Player Discussion Josh Norris (C) 6’-1” - Part 3

[swiftwin]

Just LTIR him already. Need Pinto a player they can trust in the lineup.


Why would they do this when they have Pinto?!.......

Grieg is ready btw. Him in the 3 spot and Pinto in the 2 I'd enough.

Why would we LTIR player that is day to day?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Dreger said on TSN that Norris is expected back soon and we could see him this weekend at the earliest.

When's their next game ... this weekend? I could have reported that we'd see him this weekend at the earliest.

 

[Senscore]

I'm sure they're hopeful but with the way this has gone I'm questionable on just how certain anyone, even Norris, can be.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Yeah at this point I won't feel comfortable until Norris finishes a season without popping his shoulder out.

 

[Icelevel]

When's their next game ... this weekend? I could have reported that we'd see him this weekend at the earliest.

Saturday earliest (lol) and Sunday the latest. Ok

 

[Sun God Nika]

Yeah at this point I won't feel comfortable until Norris finishes a season without popping his shoulder out.

If Norris injures the same shoulder again that should be career.

Enjoy the cap space savings from the LTIR maybe trade for a guy like Reinhart

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Saturday earliest (lol) and Sunday the latest. Ok

That's like me saying tomorrow will be Friday.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Unleash the Norris!

 

[DylanSensFan]

Chuck Norris jokes required.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

The belief was that he would play in the preseason and for sure by the start of the regular season.

Everybody has to believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer.

“If all goes well”

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

They meant Saturday next season.

 

[bert]

No thanks. If he's ready to return sooner, we will have to wait ten games instead of having him now. Pinto has to get done another way.

I'd rather protect the asset in Norris and get Pinto into the lineup now. I don't like the idea of paying to get rid of a player when Norris's long term health is such a question mark. The player they get rid of may help the team more than Norris is capable of. Too big of a risk for where this team is at in it's contending window. Pinto is a way more important and better player than the majority of this board and fanbase seems to think. Its just the tip of the iceberg were seeing of what he is capable of.

 

[bert]

Why would we LTIR player that is day to day?

He quite clearly is way more injured than day to day. Out of the sens last 91 games including pre season he has played 8. This is over a period of more than a year now. He has had two injuries and a surgery in that time period. So if you are going to be realistic and a tiny bit objective and actually understand major injuries it's going to take Norris 20 to 30 healthy games to get close to back to normal. If he can even make it that long.

Pinto on the other hand is not coming off of an injury. He's likely the better player by a substantial margin right now. And wouldn't surprise me if he ends up the better player all together when taking Norris's injury history and missed development. They need wins now.

 

[Mingus Dew]

He quite clearly is way more injured than day to day. Out of the sens last 91 games including pre season he has played 8. This is over a period of more than a year now. He has had two injuries and a surgery in that time period. So if you are going to be realistic and a tiny bit objective and actually understand major injuries it's going to take Norris 20 to 30 healthy games to get close to back to normal. If he can even make it that long.

Pinto on the other hand is not coming off of an injury. He's likely the better player by a substantial margin right now. And wouldn't surprise me if he ends up the better player all together when taking Norris's injury history and missed development. They need wins now.

If things are as bad as some fear and he’s going to need LTIR and possibly more surgery we’re going to have to start questioning his career. This is chronic.

 

[vandelay]

He quite clearly is way more injured than day to day. Out of the sens last 91 games including pre season he has played 8. This is over a period of more than a year now. He has had two injuries and a surgery in that time period. So if you are going to be realistic and a tiny bit objective and actually understand major injuries it's going to take Norris 20 to 30 healthy games to get close to back to normal. If he can even make it that long.

Pinto on the other hand is not coming off of an injury. He's likely the better player by a substantial margin right now. And wouldn't surprise me if he ends up the better player all together when taking Norris's injury history and missed development. They need wins now.

None of this is hyperbolic but man, the pessimism bleeds through every word. I guess you could argue you see Pinto as having a very good first line center ceiling which is optimistic at this point. Norris is fully developed. He is still our most responsible center and is more game ready than Pinto.

 

[bert]

None of this is hyperbolic but man, the pessimism bleeds through every word. I guess you could argue you see Pinto as having a very good first line center ceiling which is optimistic at this point. Norris is fully developed. He is still our most responsible center and is more game ready than Pinto.

I was told by someone this summer who is close to the team and players that Norris wasn't remotely close to being ready. Here we are. I don't think any of this is pessimism it's being realistic. He has had 2 major shoulder injuries in a short period of time. He already had shoulder injuries before that.

I don't think he is as game ready as Pinto not a chance. Major injuries take a long time to get back from. He's a prime example. That was Pintos first real pro season. I think he takes a big step this year. He had never played more than 35 games in a season before last year.

 

[Xspyrit]

They need both, Chychrun and Chabot are both injury prone. Really the only player they can afford to lose is Joseph.

Our PK and ES defense need Joseph badly. Plus, that speed is hard to replace, we'd actually need more of it on the wings. IMO, the only Top-9 forwards or D-men we could do without are Kubalik, Tarasenko and Hamonic. Since Hamonic only makes 1.1 it's either Tarasenko or Kubalik and since Tarasenko was just signed as an UFA (can't trade him if we want to continue attracting UFAs, and with Dorion constant mismanagement we will need it), only Kubalik makes sense to move (and there's many other reasons too as he's UFA next season and there's only 10 PP spots)

Pinto is absolutely more valuable than Brannstrom. Norris clearly cant be relied upon. Center ice is way more important than a bottom pair D man. The only player they can get rid of is Joseph here unfortunately. 2 goals for Paul BTW

Yes in theory, but if Norris is healthy, then Pinto is not as important as covering our poor defensive depth. I thought we'd have that by now but JBD, Kleven and Thomson have not progressed fast enough. We're really thin after the top-5 D-men

It has been proved countless times that we need to cut Chabot ice-time and responsibilities to make him more efficient (but DJ played him 25 mins in game 1 lol). Sanderson is 21 y/o, we can't overused our top guys all season. It's going to end up in injuries or them hitting a wall

And while we absolutely want Pinto playing, Greig could be the 3C and do well as he is an extremely smart player with constantly great metrics.

He quite clearly is way more injured than day to day. Out of the sens last 91 games including pre season he has played 8. This is over a period of more than a year now. He has had two injuries and a surgery in that time period. So if you are going to be realistic and a tiny bit objective and actually understand major injuries it's going to take Norris 20 to 30 healthy games to get close to back to normal. If he can even make it that long.

That sucks so much because he scored 47 goals in the prior 91 games (that he played).

I was told by someone this summer who is close to the team and players that Norris wasn't remotely close to being ready. Here we are. I don't think any of this is pessimism it's being realistic. He has had 2 major shoulder injuries in a short period of time. He already had shoulder injuries before that.

Yeah but if that was still standing, then why the hell they didn't keep Norris on LTIR and just sign Pinto? It would at the very least give more time to figure things out and God knows how much more time than others Dorion needs.

 

[Xspyrit]

Yes. Dreger said he's heard that Norris was feeling the shoulder/bothered by it as soon as he started skating this summer. It also sounds like the Sens haven't sent him to see a specialist about it yet, so they have no real idea whether there's a structural issue or not.

Sounds like they've got it all under control.

Please tell me this is not factual...

Dumpster fire. This contract is gonna be severely bad.

It depends, is Carey Price's contract severely bad now?

I'd trade Kubalik way before Brannstrom. Kubalik is a depth scorer, with 1 year before UFA. It's the path of least resistance.

Brannstrom is our #5 and is quite a bit better than our 6-8 defensemen.

100% on Kubalik. UFA, no spot on the PP with Norris and Pinto playing, a bit redundant with Tarasenko. We won't even have the cap space to re-sign him, unless we decide he'll be in the Top-6 and that's how we'll use our 5-6 M$ of cap space? not ideal as we'll need to upgrade on Tarasenko, not downgrade.

And yeah the difference in defensive ability, transition skill and quickness, and hockey IQ is huge with any of Hamonic, Guenette, JBD, Thomson and Matinpalo... Kleven needs more development time too

 

[Micklebot]

Yes. Dreger said he's heard that Norris was feeling the shoulder/bothered by it as soon as he started skating this summer. It also sounds like the Sens haven't sent him to see a specialist about it yet, so they have no real idea whether there's a structural issue or not.

Sounds like they've got it all under control.

I mean, Dr Chow is a specialist in orthopedic trauma surgery, so I imagine they do have an idea. But sure, no idea whatsoever...

 

[vandelay]

I was told by someone this summer who is close to the team and players that Norris wasn't remotely close to being ready. Here we are. I don't think any of this is pessimism it's being realistic. He has had 2 major shoulder injuries in a short period of time. He already had shoulder injuries before that.

I don't think he is as game ready as Pinto not a chance. Major injuries take a long time to get back from. He's a prime example. That was Pintos first real pro season. I think he takes a big step this year. He had never played more than 35 games in a season before last year.

I mean, if that's true, I would completely agree with you. Contradictory to what we're hearing and to how Norris, the team, and medical staff have handled this. None of that makes what you're saying untrue. Gross mismanagement if you're right though

 

[BankStreetParade]

I mean, if that's true, I would completely agree with you. Contradictory to what we're hearing and to how Norris, the team, and medical staff have handled this. None of that makes what you're saying untrue. Gross mismanagement if you're right though

If he's not "remotely" close to returning why is he skating at all? Doesn't seem to track with what we're seeing and hearing.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I was told by someone this summer who is close to the team and players that Norris wasn't remotely close to being ready. Here we are. I don't think any of this is pessimism it's being realistic. He has had 2 major shoulder injuries in a short period of time. He already had shoulder injuries before that.

I don't think he is as game ready as Pinto not a chance. Major injuries take a long time to get back from. He's a prime example. That was Pintos first real pro season. I think he takes a big step this year. He had never played more than 35 games in a season before last year.

Yikes. That is not encouraging. I wonder where he is now.

 

[bert]

If he's not "remotely" close to returning why is he skating at all? Doesn't seem to track with what we're seeing and hearing.

To stay in shape his legs arent injured. If he was close he would have played in an exhibition game as he needs reps. I think were not using any deductive reasoning if anyone thinks he is healthy.

 

[armani]

Ecstatic to have Alfie back as a guy to mentor and develop the players on the team. Him working with Norris bodes well for his eventual return as a cocky mofo.

 

[Bileur]

He quite clearly is way more injured than day to day. Out of the sens last 91 games including pre season he has played 8. This is over a period of more than a year now. He has had two injuries and a surgery in that time period. So if you are going to be realistic and a tiny bit objective and actually understand major injuries it's going to take Norris 20 to 30 healthy games to get close to back to normal. If he can even make it that long.

Pinto on the other hand is not coming off of an injury. He's likely the better player by a substantial margin right now. And wouldn't surprise me if he ends up the better player all together when taking Norris's injury history and missed development. They need wins now.

LTIR requires a 10 game absence. Seems we’ll likely be 20% there after tomorrow’s game.

Should definitely have been put on LTIR to get Pinto in and give us time.