Player Discussion Josh Norris (C) 6’-1” - Part 3

[LeProspector]

Trade Brannstrom.

 

[Micklebot]

Ok, so hire a witch doctor to heal Josh's shoulder, sign Pinto to 1.7, and get ready for emergency callups from the likes of Crookshank, Highmore, Sokolov and Reinhardt upfront, Guénette, JBD, Larson and Heatherton on the backend.

Tbh, that doesn't sound that bad, though I'd rather find a way to fit Smejkal in and push out Kelly if at all possible.

Two one year deals, second in the drawer

Year 1 @ 1.4, signing bonus of whatever is allowed, I think it's 10% of the contract?

Year 2 @ 2.7, whatever signing bonus is allowable

This his him the same two year total as Frost, who outscored him a dozen pts or so, and gives him a higher QO going into the next round of negotiations to add some leverage to him down the road. He also gets enough that he sees a raise even in year one.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Ok, so hire a witch doctor to heal Josh's shoulder, sign Pinto to 1.7, and get ready for emergency callups from the likes of Crookshank, Highmore, Sokolov and Reinhardt upfront, Guénette, JBD, Larson and Heatherton on the backend.

Tbh, that doesn't sound that bad, though I'd rather find a way to fit Smejkal in and push out Kelly if at all possible.

Two one year deals, second in the drawer

Year 1 @ 1.4, signing bonus of whatever is allowed, I think it's 10% of the contract?

Year 2 @ 2.7, whatever signing bonus is allowable

This his him the same two year total as Frost, who outscored him a dozen pts or so, and gives him a higher QO going into the next round of negotiations to add some leverage to him down the road. He also gets enough that he sees a raise even in year one.

What's do you predict the likelihood of this is?

 

[coladin]

So if Norris is a week away and not LTIR worthy, where the f*** they gonna find the money to sign Pinto?

They have moves planned once Pinto agrees to their offer. I am quite confident there will be a chain of events that will follow. But they want to sign Shane first, then make moves.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

If they aren't going to meet Pinto's ask, they need some sort of resolution to the Norris saga. Whether he comes back and plays, and ends up fine, or hurts his shoulder again, or is shut down without playing.

Pinto's leverage is based around Norris. If Norris is back and good, Pinto might be more likely to come down off his supposed 2.5M ask. If Norris is done for the season, then the Senators might be able to take a different approach with Pinto and maybe go longer term.

I doubt their trade has to do with moving Joseph. I could see a weaker team maybe taking Kubalik for a late pick or future considerations with the idea being they can pump up his numbers and flip him for a 3rd round pick or maybe a future 2nd at the deadline. Moving Joseph would be too expensive asset wise.

 

[Micklebot]

What's do you predict the likelihood of this is?

Likelihood of what, my specific contract proposal? I'd say pretty low, even though it likely has benefits to Pinto that won't exist in whatever he does eventually sign, he may not run the risk of splitting the contract.

Us running a 20 man roster though, I'd say is fairly likely, at least for a bit until we can work out some sort of trade

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Trade Brannstrom.

Can we trade you to Toronto instead?

 

[LeProspector]

Can we trade you to Toronto instead?

I believe Wheeler is based out of Toronto, no?

 

[OD99]

Trade Brannstrom.

Take a player we have developed for 3 years, who is now a good 3rd pairing D, and trade him from a position of weakness to get the worst return possible.

Also deplete our thin D depth.

Sounds like something we might do!

 

[LeProspector]

Take a player we have developed for 3 years, who is now a good 3rd pairing D, and trade him from a position of weakness to get the worst return possible.

Also deplete our thin D depth.

Sounds like something we might do!

Pinto is more valuable to this team than Brannstrom

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Pinto is more valuable to this team than Brannstrom

Seriously though who's alt account is this?

 

[bert]

Pinto is more valuable to this team than Brannstrom

They need both, Chychrun and Chabot are both injury prone. Really the only player they can afford to lose is Joseph.

 

[LeProspector]

They need both, Chychrun and Chabot are both injury prone. Really the only player they can afford to lose is Joseph.

i think that’s fair.

goes to show the confidence in our defensive depth, I think it’s decent, but young.

Joseph is the obvious out but if it costs more than a second (or equivalent) than it’s not worth it if you can move out Brannstrom for assets back.

Seriously though who's alt account is this?

Not an alt. One and only account.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

So if Norris is a week away and not LTIR worthy, where the f*** they gonna find the money to sign Pinto?

Dorion is a very smart man, he’ll figure something out.

 

[Slippy]

It is kind of a shame that Norris can't be on LTIR for lesser than the required amount of games/days. It is the same condition that had him placed on LTIR last season, so must they mandate any further time since he previously met the standard and Ottawa wouldn't have taken him off until they were sure he could play.

Ah well, might as well wish for a 100% indestructible shoulder for Norris, as anything else.

 

[sennysensen]

I'd trade Kubalik way before Brannstrom. Kubalik is a depth scorer, with 1 year before UFA. It's the path of least resistance.

Brannstrom is our #5 and is quite a bit better than our 6-8 defensemen.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Seriously though who's alt account is this?

Lol, that doesn't seem at all controversial?

At best they'd be about equal, but the injury prone players ahead of them dictate the actual opportunity they'll get and how much they will end up contributing. If everyone stayed healthy, a 3rd line center plays a bigger role than a bottom pairing d man.

 

[OD99]

Pinto is more valuable to this team than Brannstrom

No he isn't.

Pinto is going to be very valuable for us but if we have Norris as C2 and Greig could cover 3rd line C duty then Pinto is a luxury in the short term.

If we lose Brannstrom then we either force Kleven up or force another player who is not as good as Branny to play their off side. If we get an injury to the D then we are really exposed.

We don't need to lose good players to get Pinto in the lineup.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

It is kind of a shame that Norris can't be on LTIR for lesser than the required amount of games/days. It is the same condition that had him placed on LTIR last season, so must they mandate any further time since he previously met the standard and Ottawa wouldn't have taken him off until they were sure he could play.

Ah well, might as well wish for a 100% indestructible shoulder for Norris, as anything else.

That doesn't help the Senators though, because they would have to be compliant when Norris returns. Let's say Norris won't play for a week, and Pinto signs at 2 years 2.XXM. All that having Norris on LTIR for a week means is that they have 7 more days until they have to pull the trigger on the same trade that they already had lined up.

Assuming Dorion is being honest, clearing cap is already resolved. They have some level of confidence that they can make a trade. The issue is that Pinto and the Senators don't agree on what his AAV should be. LTIR over a short period of time is irrelevant to all that.

LTIR only becomes relevant if Norris is going to be out for the entire regular season, or at least long enough that they think they can gamble on another player whose cap hit is enough to cover Pinto becoming eligible for LTIR by the time Norris has to be activated.

 

[bert]

No he isn't.

Pinto is going to be very valuable for us but if we have Norris as C2 and Greig could cover 3rd line C duty then Pinto is a luxury in the short term.

If we lose Brannstrom then we either force Kleven up or force another player who is not as good as Branny to play their off side. If we get an injury to the D then we are really exposed.

We don't need to lose good players to get Pinto in the lineup.

Pinto is absolutely more valuable than Brannstrom. Norris clearly cant be relied upon. Center ice is way more important than a bottom pair D man. The only player they can get rid of is Joseph here unfortunately. 2 goals for Paul BTW

 

[Slippy]

That doesn't help the Senators though, because they would have to be compliant when Norris returns. Let's say Norris won't play for a week, and Pinto signs at 2 years 2.XXM. All that having Norris on LTIR for a week means is that they have 7 more days until they have to pull the trigger on the same trade that they already had lined up.

Assuming Dorion is being honest, clearing cap is already resolved. They have some level of confidence that they can make a trade. The issue is that Pinto and the Senators don't agree on what his AAV should be. LTIR over a short period of time is irrelevant to all that.

LTIR only becomes relevant if Norris is going to be out for the entire regular season, or at least long enough that they think they can gamble on another player whose cap hit is enough to cover Pinto becoming eligible for LTIR by the time Norris has to be activated.

True, but they could ice a full roster tomorrow night.

 

[bert]

That doesn't help the Senators though, because they would have to be compliant when Norris returns. Let's say Norris won't play for a week, and Pinto signs at 2 years 2.XXM. All that having Norris on LTIR for a week means is that they have 7 more days until they have to pull the trigger on the same trade that they already had lined up.

Assuming Dorion is being honest, clearing cap is already resolved. They have some level of confidence that they can make a trade. The issue is that Pinto and the Senators don't agree on what his AAV should be. LTIR over a short period of time is irrelevant to all that.

LTIR only becomes relevant if Norris is going to be out for the entire regular season, or at least long enough that they think they can gamble on another player whose cap hit is enough to cover Pinto becoming eligible for LTIR by the time Norris has to be activated.

It helps them ice a good roster right now. Id rather push the problem down the line, by then Josephs value may have gone up, other injuries could have happened etc.

Seriously though who's alt account is this?

Do you actually think Brannstrom is more valuable than Pinto?

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I'd trade Kubalik way before Brannstrom. Kubalik is a depth scorer, with 1 year before UFA. It's the path of least resistance.

Brannstrom is our #5 and is quite a bit better than our 6-8 defensemen.

And technically Greig should be ready to take that third line wing spot next year. Joseph or Kubalik way more expendable

True, but they could ice a full roster tomorrow night.

Our standards rise every day.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

It helps them ice a good roster right now. Id rather push the problem down the line, by then Josephs value may have gone up, other injuries could have happened etc.


Do you actually think Brannstrom is more valuable than Pinto?

The BranFan force is strong.

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[Sens of Anarchy]

Likelihood of what, my specific contract proposal? I'd say pretty low, even though it likely has benefits to Pinto that won't exist in whatever he does eventually sign, he may not run the risk of splitting the contract.

Us running a 20 man roster though, I'd say is fairly likely, at least for a bit until we can work out some sort of trade

your split year contract proposal